53 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 7-12-21

  1. The politics thread isn’t up yet.
    So? Here goes.
    It irritates me to see on TV where someone is turning his/her back on the flag during the National Anthem.
    If you don’t like America, go where you do like.
    If you can’t find such a place, then shut up and get to work trying to make it the way you want int.
    Inother words:
    Stop whiining.

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  2. This goes nicely with today’s header. 🙂

    Michelle calls them “terrorists” for good reason. 🙂



    “In many suburban neighborhoods, deer now rival raccoons as pests. I take this personally because deer have been ravaging our flower gardens this year, but I have never understood why deer seem to like gardens so much. After all, we live in a lush part of the world with plenty of rainfall and lots of open space. So why do the deer love suburbs?

    This Wall Street Journal article confirmed that my yard is not the only place where deer are a menace, and answered some of my questions: “How to Solve America’s Wild Deer Problem? Eat Them.”

    Before Europeans came to America, there were an estimated 30 million wild deer in what is now the eastern U.S. By 1900 that figure had fallen by 99% due to unrestricted hunting, and conservationists made it their mission to protect deer from extinction. They might have succeeded too well. Today the wild deer population has rebounded to precolonization levels, becoming a nuisance to suburban homeowners who find deer invading their yards and gardens.

    Where I live, wolves once kept deer populations in check. No longer. This is what I hadn’t understood:

    The reality is that suburban sprawl creates better deer habitat than a feral forest can. … With our pampered gardens for their dining rooms, deer find richer foods than whatever once grew on the wild plots swallowed by suburbia. Gorging like gourmands on 7 pounds of plant matter a day, a doe that might normally drop one fawn a year now often gives birth to twins or triplets.

    I also hadn’t realized that deer are harmful to the environment:

    Large deer populations also inflict serious damage on wild lands. A 2013 report by The Nature Conservancy declared that “no other threat to forested habitats is greater at this point in time—not lack of fire, not habitat conversion, not climate change.” Urban-adjacent deer multiply at the expense of forest tree seedlings, songbirds and native plants, as well as farmers and drivers.”

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  3. I can’t read the entire article. My eyes just won’t take it.
    However, the only way you can control deer is to kill them.
    That presents a problem of firearms in a community.
    You can’t trap the. What will you do then?

    Deer quickly learn that they are safe.

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  4. NO
    It isn’t good that deer can wander around the community.
    But I don’t know what to do about it.
    We certainly don’t want people going around shooting.

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  5. Good morning. I had to jump out of bed and run to get the garbage container to the street as the truck was so near. It was my first time to see the new-fangled truck in action. As soon as I made it to the end of the driveway the truck shot out some long arm claws and grabbed the can lifted it, flipped it to dump out the contents, and returned it to upright. I ran from the monster afraid it would grab me next!

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  6. Morning…oh my word starting out this Monday morning killing Bambi…what is this world coming to?!!! 😳
    Bambi was out in the thicket yesterday evening while Mama was munching on my wildflowers.
    There is a problem with too many deer roaming around the west side in the Springs. They have considered allowing those with a permit to shoot them in the neighborhoods but then again the homes are about a foot away from another with a 10×10 lawn! I don’t think that would be a good idea for a neighbor to be shooting off a gun especially with kids riding their bikes down the sidewalk, neighbors walking their dogs etc. Perhaps the politicians could dress up like wolves and chase them out of town!!!

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  7. This is the first year I have seen a deer wandering in our neighborhood. It surprised me to see it. I love venison and would not mind supplementing my diet with some in a stew.


  8. Venison. Yum! My first taste was Thanksgiving when I was 6. My uncle used to hunt but my aunt told him to stop. He said he would when he got a deer. He did, just before Thanksgiving, so that was our fare that day.

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  9. I don’t know how to do it, Janjice.
    But deer need to be afraid of people, or they will take over.
    But we can’t have people going around shooting in the community.

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  10. There has been deer hunting in cities. There are limitations in place on how it takes place, but it can be done. Not all areas are tightly compacted housing. Suburbs can have yards that are wooded and quite big.

    A blueberry farm recently put up a fence. It is very tall. If you don’t do it really tall, you can fence in a small garden with eight feet or so. The deer don’t like to go into a small area. My small cedars have been decimated by deer. They should be wrapped in fence in the fall. We have sprayed them to repel deer, but that has to be repeated often and it isn’t done. Now some people want to introduce elk. Just what we need. (she says sarcastically.

    I need to find out if my mom’s jewelry survived the fire and water damage. 😦 Haven’t been able to contact anyone so far, which is understandable. 😦

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  11. Mr. Gardener decided to let the front lawn die this year since we’ve been asked to cut back 15% of our water usage. That will do it for us–though we’re already well under the drought levels since we never returned to pre-drought water usage after the last drought in 2015-2016.

    (As in, we’ve never stopped showering with a bucket since then.)

    He is water the grass in front some “to keep the soil underneath alive,” since we’re on clay. I’ve insisted on watering the expensive hydrangeas, but they don’t look very good right now. They need an umbrella for the hot afternoons, but there are too many to do that beyond putting one umbrella on each! (And who has that many umbrellas in CA?! LOL)

    To that end, we’ll put in native plans, hopefully, flowering ones, and some sort of drought-tolerant landscaping starting in the fall. Hey, just in time for fire season, I wonder what we’ll come up with?

    [Sarcasm OFF]

    In the backyard, we’re keeping the lawn alive for the Adorables, but still cutting back on water. The raised bed and the flower bed have drip, the tomatoes, pumpkins, beans, and strawberries are going like gangbusters in the gray water bed. That soil is heavy clay so I only need to run the washer water into it once a week and they’re fine.

    New this year, Mr. Engineer bought me a $10 gadget–basically a spike with a meter the size of a deck of cards on the end–that I push into the ground and it immediately tells me the moisture content of the soil: moist, damp, dry.

    I easily slip it into the ground–or if it won’t even go into hard-baked soil I know the answer–and that determines if a small area needs more moisture. Then I screw the small sprinkler onto the end of the hose and we’re in business.

    This isn’t exactly it, but it’s close. It really is cheap and effective for the non-techy me.



  12. Mr. Engineer and I are laughing–discussing the meter–and he said, “I believe in having one tool for each need; a multi-use tool is sub-optimization and you won’t get what you really want and it’s more likely to break without accomplishing what you want it to do well.”

    I, however, am attracted to the Swiss Army Knife method–one tool to do everything.

    I pointed out all the tools littering my countertop–which drives me crazy. Yet, I use almost all of them every day (Coffee bean grinder, coffee pot, knife block, can opener, Kitchenaide [okay, maybe only once or twice a week, but it’s too heavy to move], food processor [almost daily; I can’t chop well with my hands anymore], toaster oven [husband’s tool], and a juicer which I keep meaning to get rid of.

    Sigh. For all I like the minimalist look, I use too many things every day to clear out my house!

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  13. Well, since deer stands are usually up high so that you are shooting down into the deer, would it not be possible even in a town to erect some on deer routes? The deer themselves suffer when allowed to reproduce at will. I think that article got it wrong that well-fed deer often have twins and triplets. My understanding is that most deer have twins; only the first fawn (to a young mother) is usually a single fawn. Coyotes get a lot of the newborns, and other predators probably do too, but by the time they’re a couple months old, only the largest predators can kill them, and we don’t have many such predators. So they die from being hit by cars, from disease, or from starvation. And one sees habitats where every deer is scrawny, with every rib showing, because they eat the habitat to destruction. We had such a location in Nashville; I thrilled that every time I went I saw deer, but I realized there were way too many deer. And once I went with a camera with a better zoom, I saw just how unhealthy those deer were, even the fawns.

    I’ve also heard that one draw to gardens is that people replant. In the wild if they eat a plant, it’s gone. But if they eat garden plants, like magic they are replenished. It’s like a well-stocked fridge.

    I love deer, in their place. But it’s foolish to have good meat walking around with no one harvesting it and to have deer reproducing at rates that they are a threat to themselves and to traffic, as well as to make it impossible to have a garden. Food for people is more important than food for deer, and encouraging venison (and goose) to go back on the menu could feed a lot of people. You’d have to be really careful within town limits, but hire a couple of people who know what they are doing and allow them to cull the deer, and that would at least be a start.

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  14. I was told they didn’t like fuzzy purple plants. Maybe not.

    I was also told the reason they eat all the newly planted plants is because of their high moisture content–thus making baby plants delectable. That would be particularly true in drought country.

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  15. The photo is cute, by the way. But kittens are cute, too, and we know what happens when we let that get in the way of our good sense. 🙂

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  16. Chas, one of the members of my church posted this on Facebook. It is a great response to your first comment today.
    “Those of you who know me well, know that since I was a small boy I have had a love of flags, and our Flag in particular. There was something fascinating in seeing the creative design and symbolism of the Flag of the USA waving in the breeze, versus flags of other nations. In recent years, it has troubled me to see how so many Americans disrespect the Flag and the nation which has laid more sons and daughters on the Altar of Freedom, to free the oppressed, than any other nation in history. ‘Taking a knee’ versus standing is a rejection of the IDEAL that Flag stands for. As a nation we have our faults, but our blessing of freedom, we generously share with those not so blessed by birth.

    This July 4th 2021, I had a flashback memory to July 3rd, 1973. I was 14. We had one TV in the house, and mom would watch the Mike Douglas show, and then I was allowed to watch “my shows”. 🙂 I am glad I saw episode 216, of season 12 of Mike’s show because he interviewed then recently freed Vietnam POW Lt. Col. John Dramesi. He was shot down and captured, 2 April 1967 (he was then 34) and after three escape attempts, he was finally released with other American POWs after the close of the Vietnam War in 1973(he was then 40). Six long years in captivity, and in spite of horrific torture, he never broke.

    A significant detail which is all but forgotten today, was the focus of the July 3rd, 1973 interview with Mike Douglas. In 1971 after the third escape attempt, Lt. Col. Dramesi was moved to the notorious “Hanoi Hilton”(Hoa Lo Prison) where he created an American Flag from scraps of material, all hidden from his captors, and this caught my 14 year old interest. I can still hear him describing the food or “greens” the POWs were fed, called “sewer greens”, and Mike asked; “Why were they called that?”, to which the Lt. Col. smiled a half smile as he replied; “Because that’s where they grew.” He also described how one particular meal seemed so much more tasty if you could call it that, and one of the other POWs figured out that someone had added a little salt by mistake. I still remember being so shocked by the fact that something so common in my life of freedom, table salt, was so devoid from these POW’s lives in captivity, that they rejoiced in the mistaken salt sprinkle of an apparently new N Vietnamese POW camp “cook”. I also thought how while these fellows were in that horrible place, I was freely riding my bike on Coral Gables streets, going to and coming home from school, enjoying three great meals each day…it really hit home, even at 14, just how much I took for granted because I had never known anything close to what those men were suffering half a globe away. Then the Lt. Col. described making the Flag, and how he pulled white threads from towels to make the stars. It took over a week to make but when complete, he and his fellow POWs would salute it each day in secret. They would fly the flag at night and hide it at dawn, and he had to sew it into a shirt to conceal it when he was released in 1973 so he could get it out of Vietnam. He presented it to then President Nixon, who for all his faults, did bring those POWs home.

    I wish I could find that interview online. My 14 year old mind tried to comprehend that kind of devotion and unbending will in the face of what had to seem hopeless. Six years was almost half my lifetime then, and to hear what this man did in the face of unimaginable horrors, AND how the Flag gave him and his fellow captors HOPE, when there was no other source, really gave me a perspective of how much I took for granted in my freedom where my only concern was to be home when mom & dad said to be.

    So as I see and hear all this disrespect for our Flag today, I think of men like Lt. Col. John Dramesi for whom our Flag was a hope, a vision of rescue from a hopeless place, and a REASON to go on living, so much so that he created his flag from nothing in that hopeless place. It’s sad that so many Americans are forgetting all the good that our Flag has brought to the world, and the oppressed people it has liberated. I may not agree with the politics at hand at times, but I will ALWAYS stand for the Flag of freedom’s nation and for the IDEAL it represents, if not the total fulfillment in the moment. Standing for the IDEAL, keeps the vision alive, even while as a nation we work through difficult challenges. Taking a knee is not a statement for that higher ideal, but a surrender to indifference.

    I wish more people knew of these great men, and what the Flag really means to a patriotic beating heart of hope and endurance in the face of adversity. Many times over my life, when I start to feel defeated by any manner of situations, I have recalled that July 3rd, 1973 interview, and quickly put my troubles in perspective with true tribulation that I have been saved from by men like Lt. Col. John Dramesi. Rest In Peace great American.

    “As I held the Flag high I thought of this country and the part we played in defending its greatest attribute — FREEDOM,”
    – Lt. Col. John Dramesi
    February 12, 1933-September 17, 2017″


  17. Well I just came in from surveying my garden out front…I am fuming and ready to shoot Bambi!! That little rat came up on the sidewalk last night and ate my rosebuds that were just ready to blossom!! I am now spraying deer be gone…the nastiest smelling spray ever!….hmpffff! 😡 🦌

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  18. BTW, the movie “Bambi” might well be part of the reason for the deer problem today. Remember that in the Disney movie, the enemy is Man, the hunter. Bambi’s mother has been shot and killed, leaving him an orphan, and then later Man sets fire to the forest. A whole generation of children were shown in vivid color that hunting is cruel and that hunters are careless, too.

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  19. The deer invasions are certainly reminiscent of the urban coyote issues we’ve had (we’ve yet to see deer). And no, you can’t go shooting things in a city or suburb.

    How did you kill off the lawn, michelle? Seems like there’s not just a one-step removal process? I hate the notion of everything looking so horrible for a year or so, plus my gardener wouldn’t have much to do out front.


  20. Two ways to kill the lawn. We’re not going to water it except to “keep the soil from turning into adobe and therefore unworkable.”

    But, in the winter “when the rains come”–sing a hopeful song with me–we’ll lay black plastic that should kill it off while moisture still gets through to keep the dirt alive.

    At least, that’s our theory.

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  21. Readily available food (fruit trees and vegetable gardens!), no predators, Disney-raised natives who love seeing wildlife trotting along the sidewalks (until they slaughter your pets and sometimes bite a child or two but by then it’s too late).

    It’s utopia. Except for the cars. But wildlife quickly learns how to avoid traffic, too, and teach their babies to do the same. In a few generations, they’re smart as can be about the many ups and few ‘downs’ of city life.

    Interesting thoughts of Christianity and politics in the strange age we find ourselves (though I have to take issue with his premise that things a going to “get worse,” eschatologically speaking):

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  22. I was sitting in the front room counting my blessings.
    You came up.
    Thanx again AJ, et al for keeping this going.
    i have kin, etc. but you are now my only contact with the outside world.
    No. Lions aren’t meeting now.
    They say “soon”, whaever that means.

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  23. Our water usage is at a voluntary 15% cutback level, but some wonder if that could become mandatory as our rain-less condition continues.

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  24. cloudy here, probably some rain later. Interesting discussion. There are no large animals here. None. I sorta think that they have all been eaten. Cats keep down the rat population, but mostly we just have insects.

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  25. I have the house cleaned and it is quiet since the brothers left.
    I was spraying my pretty outdoor plants with stinky stuff and the UPS driver came up the drive…you should have seen his face when he got out of his truck….at least we got a good laugh! He asked if I wasn’t defeating the purpose of pretty smelling flowers by spraying that putrid liquid on them?! 😂 The stink does dissipate after a while but that initial shock is awful!!

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  26. Re: Bambi – The Disney movie is based on a 1923 novel by Austrian author and hunter Felix Salten. Though it seems to be like the movie, in that it makes Man out to be the bad guy, it also hints at the danger to animals that get too used to being around people. As usual, Disney took a lot of liberties with the story. If you ever can find it, read it. It’s titled Bambi, a Life in the Woods. It is available on Amazon.

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  27. Peter – I have that book! It was part of a collection of books for young people that my parents bought many, many years ago. From that collection, I also have Robin Hood, All the Mowgli Stories (yes, that is the title of the book, not merely a description), Kim, and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. I used to have Heidi, which was my favorite, but that book got ruined somehow. But I have another edition of it from elsewhere.

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  28. So to end my day in a most spectacular manner …. We have no water. I was filling my water pails to water my plants and the pressure went down…I came in the house and turned on the faucet in the kitchen….no water. Neighbor came over called his plumber friend…we checked the pressure tank reading and he assessed over the phone that it is the well pump! We get one flush on the toilets…no one at the two well pump companies answer their phones…we will carry on with no water…no shower…until perhaps tomorrow 😞… oh and all while this was going on…the smoke alarm went off in Paul’s office…I took the battery out…all is quiet now!


  29. Peter, when I was 10 or 12 I checked Bambi out of the library. It’s possible I’d already seen the movie, or parts of it, at school, but it’s also possible I read the book before seeing the Disney version. And while I actually like the movie, the book is better.

    When I checked it out of the library, I was the first one ever to check out that copy. It had a pure white cover and I think it had a picture on the front with a gold “frame” around it. I remember thinking it was a physically beautiful book, and how nice to be the first one checking it out, and thinking that a white book might look quite a bit different after it had been checked out a few times! I do now own a copy, but I think I got it in paperback (not the same) because I couldn’t find a nice edition when I bought it. (That was likely in my bookstore-shelves shopping days. A bookstore in Chicago had a really lovely selection of children’s books, and I probably bought it there, but could only get it in paperback.)

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  30. I think it is bedtime now. You are actually 10 hours ahead of me but a day behind. At least that is the easy way for me to think of it. 🙂


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