I’m in the final stretch for this big book I’m putting together. Today needs to be a productive day of getting a couple of chapters into final form. My husband is graciously working on the biggest and most complex chapter. (I wrote it, but he is fact checking it and finding some different angles to things. I read more than a thousand pages for it–it covers several hundred years and two continents, and I’m trying to keep it down to 12 pages or less, so it truly only skims the surface. Since I’m not a historian, there are some connections I missed, such as the fact that one pastor I mentioned in passing was for a time the pastor of the church my church came from 200 years ago.) That chapter bogged me down all winter, though I finally got it written, but I truly don’t know how I’d have ever been able to edit it, along with the other chapters too, this week. Fortunately my husband thrives on research and he is working hard but enjoying it.
It was interesting yesterday to learn more about the Passion version of the Bible. What churches are using that Bible? A while back in the former church, the pastor used the NIV. That would be the old NIV (1985?). I don’t know what is used now since we have several different pastors who take turns preaching. I do know that one adult Sunday school group is using the NASB. It really is helpful to read from several versions for clearer understanding and reinforcement of what God is teaching.
Good morning, I will be heading out to be by myself again today, though thirteen also has it. She is staying outside as well. We are thinking fourteen may be getting it and is struggling not to as he has plans to go to Boise on this trip to get a new suit. He does love his suit.
We will be off to the weekly jam later today. It will be a lovely respite. I had a truncated phone conversation with a family member that seemed to accomplish nothing and left me just as upset. This too shall pass…
Good morning. I am taking a week off from the hospital before I begin orientation on the 30th. I think I have completed all of the verification process for the RN position, though it did mention needing a physical.
The garden is in. The lambs are growing. My boy and husband are enjoying me being at home. I’m only working about 20 hrs at the track this week, but I got a $10 per hour raise with the RN, so that helps.
The goal is to work and save this summer and start on the house this fall.
Serious question for someone who would know. (Though I doubt that anyone on this site would understand about such things.)
What happens when you defund the police?
Most of my life I have read from whatever version is used at my church, or at least carried that version to church. I used the KJV until I was 18, and attended churches that used it. At 18 I bought (and switched to) the NKJV, and used it until I moved to Nashville at age 36. When I chose to switch to the NKJV, I might have chosen to switch to the NASB, but the version in use at that time chose to keep “thee” and “thou” for God but “you” for people, and I thought that a rather silly decision. (NASB has since dropped the “thee” and “thou” completely.)
When I moved to Nashville, my church used the ESV. I’d looked at the version a bit and liked it, so I went ahead and made the switch to ESV. I will be 54 this year, and thus on track for another switch with the 18-year plan, eh?
Well, my husband and I were not impressed with the ESV decision perhaps five years ago to make a few quick last-minute changes to the version, and then “solidify” the translation, and one of those last changes was one that the eternal-subordination-of-the-Son folks liked, but no credible translators did. They rendered Genesis 3:16 as “To the woman he [God] said, ‘I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.’” Most translations render this “to” your husband or “for” your husband, or that the woman would yearn for or long for her husband. They chose to render this in a way that would make it parallel with Genesis 4:7 (about Cain’s danger of falling into sin), because of prior theological decisions. Since it was in keeping with the eternal-subordination-of-the-Son false doctrine, there was a lot of discussion of it at the time, and even though our edition did not render the verse this way, my husband and I both thought the translation committee had shown the whole translation to be questionable. (What quiet decisions might we not know about?) He was inclined to switch away from the ESV.
When we moved, our new church used the NKJV, and we ended up buying study Bibles in the version. ESV and NASB are actually quite similar, and I know that because several years ago I edited a book that was drawn from chapters in the author’s earlier books. At one point in his writing and preaching he had used the NKJV and then switched to the NASB, or vice versa. So I had to pull up both versions on my screen, and for each verse he quoted see which version he used. For a good number of verses the wording was identical, and in others it was just one word off. In others the wording varied more, but overall I found them strikingly similar, which I suppose confirms the fact that they were created with the same translation philosophy.
Because I have to look up every verse quoted or referenced in every book I edit, I use Bible Gateway a lot, but I also have paper versions of quite a few versions right beside me. But for daily reading, those are the three versions I have used in my life, KJV growing up and then NKJV, then ESV for 15 years, then back to the NKJV. I could also comfortably use the NASB but haven’t done so. I actually own an edition of the NASB intended to be marked up (Inductive Study Bible), and intend to go through it some year, but so far I’ve had it for 15 or 20 years and haven’t done so.
Bible Gateway is a nice tool. I’ve used NASB, ESV and NKJV interchangeably — probably NASB the most (the old NASB). I had an NIV for a while in the 1980s when that was so popular, but much preferred the NASB. Our church uses ESV and NKJV from the pulpit (we do have “pew” Bibles — though no pews — and I believe those are ESV, but most folks bring their own Bibles, either hard copy or on devices.
Currently, I’ve resurrected an older Bible I’ve had, a old KJV, and have been taking that to church with me on Sundays.
I’m not fond of paraphrases (as opposed to translations) for Scripture. I realize they can help with understanding in some cases, but I’ve always been wary of them and feel we have so many reliable and clear scholarly translations now that they’re not needed.
Chas, agreed — and we’re seeing some of the effects of that push now in the soaring crime rates. How many police officers are retiring — or staying on completely demoralized?
I’m fine with training that is geared toward the goal of de-escalating situations and learning ways to avoid violent outcomes. But police still need to be armed. Having social workers as part of the response team mix is perhaps helpful in some situations, but sending unarmed social workers out alone will not have good consequences.
Morning!
The house is clean and husband is on his way home from DIA with his oldest brother. I think they may have stopped off in Parker to have breakfast for which I am thankful…they won’t hit the door saying “we’re hungry, what’s to eat!?” 🙃… remember I just finished cleaning this house!
The miller moths have invaded the forest. They were everywhere this early morning and I did get to see a bluebird grab one midair to munch on for it’s breakfast! We tend to dread this migration of the moths….they get in your car, house, window blinds, plants…well…everywhere! But our birds are well fed! 🐦
To chas’ earlier question in 10:25, the consequences will land on the political office holders.
That’s why I’m convinced that many common-sense Democrats right now are more nervous than they’re letting on about the direction things are going. There’s always an election they’ll need to survive.
Some interesting thoughts on a topic we discussed recently (yesterday?)
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~ Keller and French would no doubt remind us that internal debates among traditionalist Christians are not likely to get solved on Twitter. And our current problems reflect yet another instance of people in churches being discipled far more by cable news and social media than by the church. The “spirit” of fundamentalism tells us that no difference, politically or theologically, is tolerable, and that our enemies must be destroyed. The spirit of Christ offers a better way: robust truth and robust kindness. ~
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"Few people identify as 'fundamentalists' any more, while more white people identify as 'evangelicals' than are actual evangelicals in belief or practice. " – my latest at @TGChttps://t.co/9sUcdhJt5v
I just got home from having a birthday visit with my friend who turned 91 a couple of days ago. I took over a mini Key lime pie and some sparkling cider. We had some coffee with the pie. It was great to visit with her.
“At least 153 employees of a Houston hospital — including nurses and other medical staff — were fired or resigned Tuesday after refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19, one of the first mass terminations since vaccinations started in the U.S. this year, reinvigorating a national anti-vaccine movement.
In April, Houston Methodist Hospital began requiring vaccination for its more than 25,000 employees across Texas, claiming to be the first hospital in the nation with a COVID vaccine mandate. Those who did not provide proof of vaccination by June 7 — or who had not applied for an exemption based on “medical condition (including pregnancy deferment) or sincerely held religious belief” — faced suspension without pay for two weeks. The hospital fired two managers for refusing the vaccine in April, and suspended 178 more staff members on June 7.
The employees were given until midnight Tuesday to get vaccinated, and “very few” resigned or retired early to avoid vaccination, said Gale Smith, a hospital spokeswoman.
“Employees who did not meet the deadline were terminated effective today,” Smith said in a statement Tuesday. “The employees who became compliant during the suspension period returned to work the day after they became compliant.””
Do you think some of the “discipiling” via social media is because we’ve been locked down and people are so frustrated–and may not have been well-connected to their churches before?
We’re all grateful to our SMALL church in which we know everyone. People reached out, made sure we were okay, we went through a pastoral search with prayer, I was in more contact with my church than anyone else during this time.
If I attended a big church, however, I easily could have been lost in the midst of so many people–and how did a large church like, say, Saddleback minister to those who were home?
One of the reasons we left the very large Calvary Chapel in Honolulu all those years ago was because I wanted to know my pastor well enough that he could recognize me if he needed to visit me in the hospital.
michelle, for some reason I thought of you when I saw this:
Who doesn’t have an old dusty basketball, tossed in a closet to live the rest of its days losing air, never to be bounced again? Karissa Allen and Justin Cox definitely don’t because they've upcycled them into planters. (via @Pancakejeesh, @latimesplants) https://t.co/1VA6ViKtEY
This business of defunding the police was idiotic from the beginning.
The bad thing about it is that the money has likely been reallocated and you can’t get it back.
That leaves us with no protection.
How did we get there?
Chas, I think money is always seen as a quick fix, toss it here and not there. They deny the heart problem and think it’s all about the money. At least the Atlanta mayor, Keisha Lance Bottoms, won’t be running for that office again. Perhaps she will be VP to Kamala. The KKs.
I stubbed my toe . . . If only I had been wearing shoes. I have been doing better about wearing athletic shoes but when I don’t I find myself easily reminded to not forget the next time.
Janice, toes take a long time. I stubbed my toe a few years ago, I’m not sure what exactly I did to it, but I stubbed it against the edge of a rug and hurt it. For months and months if I touched the top of that toe it hurt, and I managed to reinjure it in the same way before it healed.
Biden is on TV calling for more gun control.
How are you going to control millions of guns already out there? And whose owners have no intention of regestering?
It is so much unnecessary nonsense.
I have a long-ago memory of stubbing my toe on a bow-and-arrow set on my grandfather’s front porch in Iowa when I was very young. See? That’s stayed with me all these years.
Yay, features wants to take my music fest story — which got more interesting today after it was announced they’ve pulled out of the waterfront in favor of another larger site (next to the new Rams stadium) because it’s bigger and they can sell more of those $70 tickets.
Wandering Views 
Good morning again.
We had a rainy night and a bright sunshiny day ahead.
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This “Defund Police” business is about the dumbest thing I have come across in all my 91 years.!!!!
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Where is everybody?
I’m in the final stretch for this big book I’m putting together. Today needs to be a productive day of getting a couple of chapters into final form. My husband is graciously working on the biggest and most complex chapter. (I wrote it, but he is fact checking it and finding some different angles to things. I read more than a thousand pages for it–it covers several hundred years and two continents, and I’m trying to keep it down to 12 pages or less, so it truly only skims the surface. Since I’m not a historian, there are some connections I missed, such as the fact that one pastor I mentioned in passing was for a time the pastor of the church my church came from 200 years ago.) That chapter bogged me down all winter, though I finally got it written, but I truly don’t know how I’d have ever been able to edit it, along with the other chapters too, this week. Fortunately my husband thrives on research and he is working hard but enjoying it.
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Good morning. I am with you on that thought, Chas. These are perilous times.
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It was interesting yesterday to learn more about the Passion version of the Bible. What churches are using that Bible? A while back in the former church, the pastor used the NIV. That would be the old NIV (1985?). I don’t know what is used now since we have several different pastors who take turns preaching. I do know that one adult Sunday school group is using the NASB. It really is helpful to read from several versions for clearer understanding and reinforcement of what God is teaching.
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Good morning, I will be heading out to be by myself again today, though thirteen also has it. She is staying outside as well. We are thinking fourteen may be getting it and is struggling not to as he has plans to go to Boise on this trip to get a new suit. He does love his suit.
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We will be off to the weekly jam later today. It will be a lovely respite. I had a truncated phone conversation with a family member that seemed to accomplish nothing and left me just as upset. This too shall pass…
Hope you all have a good, blessed day.
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Good morning. I am taking a week off from the hospital before I begin orientation on the 30th. I think I have completed all of the verification process for the RN position, though it did mention needing a physical.
The garden is in. The lambs are growing. My boy and husband are enjoying me being at home. I’m only working about 20 hrs at the track this week, but I got a $10 per hour raise with the RN, so that helps.
The goal is to work and save this summer and start on the house this fall.
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Serious question for someone who would know. (Though I doubt that anyone on this site would understand about such things.)
What happens when you defund the police?
i.e. Who takes responsibility for disorder?
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Chas, haven’t you been paying attention? The social workers. People would be nice if others just understood them…..
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Most of my life I have read from whatever version is used at my church, or at least carried that version to church. I used the KJV until I was 18, and attended churches that used it. At 18 I bought (and switched to) the NKJV, and used it until I moved to Nashville at age 36. When I chose to switch to the NKJV, I might have chosen to switch to the NASB, but the version in use at that time chose to keep “thee” and “thou” for God but “you” for people, and I thought that a rather silly decision. (NASB has since dropped the “thee” and “thou” completely.)
When I moved to Nashville, my church used the ESV. I’d looked at the version a bit and liked it, so I went ahead and made the switch to ESV. I will be 54 this year, and thus on track for another switch with the 18-year plan, eh?
Well, my husband and I were not impressed with the ESV decision perhaps five years ago to make a few quick last-minute changes to the version, and then “solidify” the translation, and one of those last changes was one that the eternal-subordination-of-the-Son folks liked, but no credible translators did. They rendered Genesis 3:16 as “To the woman he [God] said, ‘I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.’” Most translations render this “to” your husband or “for” your husband, or that the woman would yearn for or long for her husband. They chose to render this in a way that would make it parallel with Genesis 4:7 (about Cain’s danger of falling into sin), because of prior theological decisions. Since it was in keeping with the eternal-subordination-of-the-Son false doctrine, there was a lot of discussion of it at the time, and even though our edition did not render the verse this way, my husband and I both thought the translation committee had shown the whole translation to be questionable. (What quiet decisions might we not know about?) He was inclined to switch away from the ESV.
When we moved, our new church used the NKJV, and we ended up buying study Bibles in the version. ESV and NASB are actually quite similar, and I know that because several years ago I edited a book that was drawn from chapters in the author’s earlier books. At one point in his writing and preaching he had used the NKJV and then switched to the NASB, or vice versa. So I had to pull up both versions on my screen, and for each verse he quoted see which version he used. For a good number of verses the wording was identical, and in others it was just one word off. In others the wording varied more, but overall I found them strikingly similar, which I suppose confirms the fact that they were created with the same translation philosophy.
Because I have to look up every verse quoted or referenced in every book I edit, I use Bible Gateway a lot, but I also have paper versions of quite a few versions right beside me. But for daily reading, those are the three versions I have used in my life, KJV growing up and then NKJV, then ESV for 15 years, then back to the NKJV. I could also comfortably use the NASB but haven’t done so. I actually own an edition of the NASB intended to be marked up (Inductive Study Bible), and intend to go through it some year, but so far I’ve had it for 15 or 20 years and haven’t done so.
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Bible Gateway is a nice tool. I’ve used NASB, ESV and NKJV interchangeably — probably NASB the most (the old NASB). I had an NIV for a while in the 1980s when that was so popular, but much preferred the NASB. Our church uses ESV and NKJV from the pulpit (we do have “pew” Bibles — though no pews — and I believe those are ESV, but most folks bring their own Bibles, either hard copy or on devices.
Currently, I’ve resurrected an older Bible I’ve had, a old KJV, and have been taking that to church with me on Sundays.
I’m not fond of paraphrases (as opposed to translations) for Scripture. I realize they can help with understanding in some cases, but I’ve always been wary of them and feel we have so many reliable and clear scholarly translations now that they’re not needed.
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Chas, agreed — and we’re seeing some of the effects of that push now in the soaring crime rates. How many police officers are retiring — or staying on completely demoralized?
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I’m fine with training that is geared toward the goal of de-escalating situations and learning ways to avoid violent outcomes. But police still need to be armed. Having social workers as part of the response team mix is perhaps helpful in some situations, but sending unarmed social workers out alone will not have good consequences.
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Morning!
The house is clean and husband is on his way home from DIA with his oldest brother. I think they may have stopped off in Parker to have breakfast for which I am thankful…they won’t hit the door saying “we’re hungry, what’s to eat!?” 🙃… remember I just finished cleaning this house!
The miller moths have invaded the forest. They were everywhere this early morning and I did get to see a bluebird grab one midair to munch on for it’s breakfast! We tend to dread this migration of the moths….they get in your car, house, window blinds, plants…well…everywhere! But our birds are well fed! 🐦
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To chas’ earlier question in 10:25, the consequences will land on the political office holders.
That’s why I’m convinced that many common-sense Democrats right now are more nervous than they’re letting on about the direction things are going. There’s always an election they’ll need to survive.
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Some interesting thoughts on a topic we discussed recently (yesterday?)
_______________________________
~ Keller and French would no doubt remind us that internal debates among traditionalist Christians are not likely to get solved on Twitter. And our current problems reflect yet another instance of people in churches being discipled far more by cable news and social media than by the church. The “spirit” of fundamentalism tells us that no difference, politically or theologically, is tolerable, and that our enemies must be destroyed. The spirit of Christ offers a better way: robust truth and robust kindness. ~
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I just got home from having a birthday visit with my friend who turned 91 a couple of days ago. I took over a mini Key lime pie and some sparkling cider. We had some coffee with the pie. It was great to visit with her.
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This is worthy of a read:
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/parents-take-note-spiritual-practices-common-kids-flourish-adults/
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Let the purge from society begin…..
“More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine”
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-06-22/houston-covid-vaccine-fired
“At least 153 employees of a Houston hospital — including nurses and other medical staff — were fired or resigned Tuesday after refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19, one of the first mass terminations since vaccinations started in the U.S. this year, reinvigorating a national anti-vaccine movement.
In April, Houston Methodist Hospital began requiring vaccination for its more than 25,000 employees across Texas, claiming to be the first hospital in the nation with a COVID vaccine mandate. Those who did not provide proof of vaccination by June 7 — or who had not applied for an exemption based on “medical condition (including pregnancy deferment) or sincerely held religious belief” — faced suspension without pay for two weeks. The hospital fired two managers for refusing the vaccine in April, and suspended 178 more staff members on June 7.
The employees were given until midnight Tuesday to get vaccinated, and “very few” resigned or retired early to avoid vaccination, said Gale Smith, a hospital spokeswoman.
“Employees who did not meet the deadline were terminated effective today,” Smith said in a statement Tuesday. “The employees who became compliant during the suspension period returned to work the day after they became compliant.””
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Nice of you to go to the party Janice. I won’t turn 91 for a couple of months yet.
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That was me.
Chas,
Defund Police is working out so well in Dem run crap holes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/as-homicides-soar-nationwide-mayors-see-few-options-for-regaining-control/ar-AALjht4?ocid=uxbndlbing
“As homicides soar nationwide, mayors see few options for regaining control”
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Cities cut millions from police budgets to placate the idiots, yet scratch their heads when crime goes thru the roof.
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Do you think some of the “discipiling” via social media is because we’ve been locked down and people are so frustrated–and may not have been well-connected to their churches before?
We’re all grateful to our SMALL church in which we know everyone. People reached out, made sure we were okay, we went through a pastoral search with prayer, I was in more contact with my church than anyone else during this time.
If I attended a big church, however, I easily could have been lost in the midst of so many people–and how did a large church like, say, Saddleback minister to those who were home?
One of the reasons we left the very large Calvary Chapel in Honolulu all those years ago was because I wanted to know my pastor well enough that he could recognize me if he needed to visit me in the hospital.
That wouldn’t happen at a large church.
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michelle, for some reason I thought of you when I saw this:
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This business of defunding the police was idiotic from the beginning.
The bad thing about it is that the money has likely been reallocated and you can’t get it back.
That leaves us with no protection.
How did we get there?
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Chas, I think money is always seen as a quick fix, toss it here and not there. They deny the heart problem and think it’s all about the money. At least the Atlanta mayor, Keisha Lance Bottoms, won’t be running for that office again. Perhaps she will be VP to Kamala. The KKs.
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I stubbed my toe . . . If only I had been wearing shoes. I have been doing better about wearing athletic shoes but when I don’t I find myself easily reminded to not forget the next time.
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Just wondering, if I happened to break my toe, how long does it take to heal?
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Janice, toes take a long time. I stubbed my toe a few years ago, I’m not sure what exactly I did to it, but I stubbed it against the edge of a rug and hurt it. For months and months if I touched the top of that toe it hurt, and I managed to reinjure it in the same way before it healed.
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Thanks, Cheryl. It has been years since I have done anything like it. I remembered that the medical protocol does not include a cast.
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Biden is on TV calling for more gun control.
How are you going to control millions of guns already out there? And whose owners have no intention of regestering?
It is so much unnecessary nonsense.
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I have a long-ago memory of stubbing my toe on a bow-and-arrow set on my grandfather’s front porch in Iowa when I was very young. See? That’s stayed with me all these years.
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Seems like there was a nail involved, maybe from the front porch where the target was set up.
Man, that hurt.
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Yay, features wants to take my music fest story — which got more interesting today after it was announced they’ve pulled out of the waterfront in favor of another larger site (next to the new Rams stadium) because it’s bigger and they can sell more of those $70 tickets.
Anyway, I’m off the hook.
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Donna, I don’t know what that is about, but you sound happy and I am happy for you.
Watch your step now. Don’t do anything dumb.
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I think features is slow right now. And they have all the entertainment/music contacts more readily than I do.
I’m busy with other news things, so I was glad to get it off my plate.
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Home again, home again, but you are all asleep.
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It’s good to have you back, Jo
Now, almost time for you to hit the rack.
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God morning everyone else.
Off to breakfast now.
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