“It would be an irreparable disaster if Joe Biden, who is heavily suspected of being complicit with the Chinese dictatorship, would be designated as President of the United States.“
“A President who is simply proclaimed as such by the mainstream media affiliated with the deep state would be deprived of all legitimacy and would expose the nation to dangerous foreign interference, as has already been shown to have happened in the current election.“
“Thus on the one hand we have the Trump administration and the traditional values that it holds in common with those of Catholics; on the other hand we have the deep state of the self-styled Catholic Joe Biden, who is subservient to the globalist ideology and its perverse, anti-human, antichristic, infernal agenda.
In order to put an end to the deep church and restore the Catholic Church, the extent of the involvement of the leaders of the Church with the Masonic-globalist project will have to be revealed: the nature of the corruption and crimes that these men have carried out, thereby making themselves vulnerable to blackmail, just as happens in a similar way in the political field to members of the deep state, beginning with Biden himself. Thus it is to be hoped that any proof of such crimes that is in the possession of the Secret Services would be brought to light, especially in relation to the true motives that led to the resignation of Benedict XVI and the conspiracies underlying the election of Bergoglio, thereby permitting the expulsion of the mercenaries who have seized control of the Church.“
“If the United States misses this opportunity, now, it will be wiped out from History. If it allows the idea to spread among the masses that the electoral choice of the citizens – the first expression of democracy – can be manipulated and thwarted, it will be complicit in the fraud, and will certainly deserve the execration of the entire world, which looks to America as a nation which has fought for and defended its freedom.“
“The plan of the Great Reset makes use of the mainstream media as an indispensable ally: the media corporations are almost all actively part of the deep state and know that the power that will be guaranteed to them in the future depends exclusively on their slavish adherence to its agenda.
Labeling those who denounce the existence of a conspiracy as “conspiracy theorists” confirms, if anything, that this conspiracy exists, and that its authors are very upset at having been found out and reported to public opinion. And yet they themselves have said it: Nothing will be the same again. And also: Build Back Better, in an effort to make us believe that the radical changes they want to impose have been made necessary by a pandemic, by climate change, and by technological progress.
Years ago, those who spoke of the New World Order were called conspiracy theorists. Today, all of the world’s leaders, including Bergoglio, speak with impunity about the New World Order, describing it exactly in the terms that were identified by the so-called conspiracy theorists. It is enough to read the globalists’ declarations to understand that the conspiracy exists and that they pride themselves on being its architects, to the point of admitting the need for a pandemic in order to reach their objectives of social engineering.
To the skeptics I ask: if the models that are proposed to us today are so terrible, what will our children be able to expect when the elite will have succeeded in taking total control over the nations? Families without father and mother, polyamory, sodomy, children who can change their sex, the cancellation of Religion and the imposition of an infernal cult, abortion and euthanasia, the abolition of private property, a health dictatorship, a perpetual pandemic. Is this the world that we want, that you want for yourselves, your children, and your family and friends?
We must all become aware of how much the proponents of the New World Order and the Great Reset hate the inalienable values of our Greco-Christian civilization, such as Religion, the family, respect for life and the inviolable rights of the human person, and national sovereignty.“
"Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild." — President-elect Biden pic.twitter.com/pIyDuhf5pH
“Barbara Boxer Registers To Lobby For Chinese Firm Blacklisted Over Surveillance Of Uyghurs”
“Former California Sen. Barbara Boxer has registered as a foreign agent for Hikvision USA, the American subsidiary of a Chinese surveillance company that has been blacklisted by the U.S. government.
Boxer, a Democrat, registered the work through Mercury Public Affairs, the prominent lobbying firm that she joined as a consultant early last year.
Boxer’s registration form, filed through the Justice Department under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, says she will be “providing strategic counsel” to Hikvision, which produces surveillance equipment for the Chinese government and Chinese military.
The Trump administration has cracked down on investments in firms linked to the Chinese government, including Hikvision and Huawei.”
Thanks to Project Veritas' undercover video of Michael Beller, who called for Republicans and their children to be forcibly extracted and placed in "re-education camps," PBS has fired him. Good.
Has even one of the GOP officials or MAGA media who spread the election lies, or supported Sedition, or incited the mob, publicly expressed an ounce of regret or contrition?
Has even one of the Dem officials or their propaganda media who spread the election lies about Russia, or supported a coup of Trump, or incited the mob of BLM and Antifa, publicly expressed an ounce of regret or contrition?
BREAKING: In a letter to Speaker Pelosi, VP Pence says he will not invoke the 25th Amendment.
"I do not believe that such a course of action is in the best interest of our Nation or consistent with our Constitution," he says. pic.twitter.com/pLRuKlLEHc
Interesting views there, Tychicus. I can concur with a lot of that, not sure I can agree the vax is the mark though. But it certainly could be used as part of the process to control buying and selling.
A lot of Christians on here do not agree with the end times as laid out here though. I could go with it as it seems to follow Scripture teaching.
It doesn’t help when true believers start joining mobs engaged in online combat
It seemed that whenever the Rev. Daniel Darling ventured into social media, he saw the same red flags – so he posted a commentary on “Christians and Conspiracy Theories.”
“Because it’s online, doesn’t mean it’s true,” he noted. “Because a story is advanced by someone whose ideology I agree with, doesn’t mean it’s true. …
“For some reason, we are a people who want to believe there is a big plot behind every single thing that happens. … If you watch enough cable TV, depending on your political persuasion, you will come to think that behind every act in Congress there is a string of connected dots that go back to either George Soros (liberal) or the Koch brothers (conservative).”
This wasn’t a hot take on QAnon letters or rumors of shredded Georgia ballots.
Darling wrote those words a decade ago, while leading an evangelical church near Chicago. …
… “I’m not saying we should run away and hide,” said Darling, in a telephone interview. “There’s no way to avoid the fact that social media is a crucial part of American life. I don’t think Christians have any choice about whether or not to be engaged. …
“What we need to do is be more careful when deciding where to draw lines and take stands. But, unless you’re Amish, I don’t see anyone sitting this one out.”
It’s especially important for religious leaders to warn their followers not to join the online “mobs” that are destroying America’s ability to have sane public debates. …
… At some point, people who view themselves as social-media apologists will need to be more effective, searching for reputable sources to quote and ways to praise acts of mercy as much as they attack the words of those they believe are in error.
It would also help, said Darling, if true believers learned to laugh at themselves and maybe even to apologize after making mistakes. And it’s wise to think twice before fighting with “trolls” who aren’t interested in finding common ground or clarifying points of sincere disagreement.
“Some people really are convinced that courage and civility are incompatible,” he said. “They think that – unless you’re shouting at the top of your lungs or typing IN ALL CAPS – you aren’t really defending the faith. That’s so attractive.”
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The mark of the beast will be something that a believer cannot accidentally get by getting a vaccine or any other thing. It will be a deliberate choice. (If that view of Revelation is correct.)
FLASHBACK: Rep. Cory Booker issues a call to action for constituents: "get up in the face of some congresspeople," in Washington, DC, 2018. pic.twitter.com/A6U9ckbvvy
"Now, on our side, we didn't take those to be impeachable because we didn't believe she surely meant that. But by the Democrats taking this action, you're telling me, no, when we say those, we actually mean to incite violence. That's what this action is saying."
Louie Gohmert is now trending on Twitter because liberals are taking his words out of context and acting like he wasn't just reading quotes from prominent Democrats over the summer encouraging their supporters to riot.
Just incredible. Twitter will do nothing about it either.
Don’t you love it when the traitorous guy caught having sex with a Chinese spy gives you morality lessons?
The Swalwell selection is clearly part of a rehabilitation campaign. Swalwell remained secluded as the many in the media refused to carry or investigate the story. Now Pelosi will use the impeachment as a way for Swalwell to reemerge from seclusion. https://t.co/2EuvG6pN8R
Casting POTUS as a terrorist. Exactly the kind of accusation the Chinese Communist Party would love to see promulgated by an American congressman. After being compromised by a Chinese spy, how is this man not only still in Congress, but on TV, *and* an impeachment manager? https://t.co/iMxI1TMjpZ
Now normal people might think saying something like that would be incendiary and inciteful, seeing as it'd further alienate one side and cause the other to call for justice and retribution against such "terrorists," but he's a Democrat, so it's obviously not that at all.
Those who “govern” have collectively lost their ever lovin’ minds! I sent McConnell an email sharing with him my disgust of him..it will do no good but at least he knows one more Republican has left the party….
“Impeachment 2.0 – No, the Senate cannot convict Trump after he leaves office
At best, supporters of post-departure Senate impeachment conviction could say there is an argument for it, but it’s complicated. Opponents merely need to point to the words of the Constitution.”
“The U.S. House will be voting today to impeach Trump. It’s a done deal because Democrats have the majority, and probably will get about 20 Republicans to join them. Then it eventually heads to the Senate for trial, where Mitch McConnell has said the earliest a trial could be held under Senate Rules (unless there is unanimous consent to waive them, which will not happen) is an hour after Biden takes office on January 20.
I have seen discussion that McConnell and Schumer could agree to an emergency session, but that would mean a quick trial in a matter of days. Not sure how viable an option that is. [Update – reports indicate McConnell will not agree to an emergency session.]
Democrats are suggesting that the Senate could hold a trial even after Trump leaves office, perhaps as much as months later depending on what timing Biden thought benefitted his legislative agenda. The purpose would not be to remove Trump — he’d already be gone — but to preclude him from running again as part of the punishment. They also might seek to strip away his lifetime salary and security stipend.
The question is, can the Senate hold an impeachment trial and convict a president after the president already has left office. I think the plain wording of the constitution says such post-departure impeachment is not permitted. But there is a split of opinion.
Article II, Section 4, provides:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
So the premise of impeachment is that it is against someone who is the President, not someone who once was the President. Also, the purpose is removal, which cannot happen if someone already has left office.
Article I, Section II, Section 7, provides for the remedies available in the Judgment after Senate trial:
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
So there are remedies beyond removal, but that presumes a proper conviction. It is those other remedies that Democrats and some Republicans want more than anything, but there is nothing in the language of the constitution to suggest that the post-conviction remedies expand the time scope of impeachment trial and conviction.”
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And they proved nothing today, except to reinforce the fact that Dems are lying camera whores.
With the addition of a trial after Trump leaves office, this rush to impeach may become a parade of constitutional horribles. The use of impeachment to “remove” a president who already left office is ripe for challenge in the Senate and even in the courts. https://t.co/2UT6uPdBGm
These people have lost their minds. I’m beginning to think they’re truely demonized. And the utter blindness and folly of Christian leaders who are just piling on—Russell Moore in particular surprised me.
Do we have the names of those 10 House republicans who voted to impeach?
Here are the backstabbing Republicans who voted for impeachment:
Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming
Rep. John Katko of New York
Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan
Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington
Rep. Dan Newhouse of Washington
Rep. Peter Meijer of Michigan
Rep. Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio
Rep. Tom Rice of South Carolina
Rep. David Valadao of California
I’ve downloaded John MacArthur’s app , Grace to You, and it’s great to have that playing while I’m doing other things. Its very encouraging and keeps the focus on the important things.
I am suspecting there are close to Republican Democrats just as there are close to Democrat Republicans. It is actually a spectrum. Many of them are actually doing what they think is best. We need to be praying for them that true wisdom would prevail. That video shown by Tychicus today, the Olive Tree, opened my eyes quite a bit. Sometimes I have been just thinking of Democrat/ Republican, forgetting the bigger picture that is playing out. The forces of evil continually trying to drag people away from God, while God remains His perfect Self, drawing people to Him.
I think that impeachment at this point is more a statement than anything; he can be impeached but he can’t be removed from office, since the trial can’t begin before he is already gone. Nevertheless, I was opposed to the first impeachment and I think this one justified and probably would have voted to impeach had I been in the position to vote. Really at this point they can impeach and then they can see whether or not to press criminal charges as a common citizen, which he will become next week, so impeachment is somewhat meaningless but is still a moral judgment. (I think his resignation was the best of the three options being debated. The 25th amendment wasn’t put in place for such a situation.)
I personally think it is good when politicians are able and willing to break from the party line when it is the right thing to do. We’re happy when Democrats do it when it is the right thing to do, and we should be happy when Republicans have the courage of their convictions, too.
My guess is they hated Trump all along…like Liz Cheney…well he didn’t like her either so there you go…she got one last stab. The Republican Party is going down the drain. Biden wants “unity”…yeah…a united Dem And Repub party…to form one big happy Democratic Party…and that appears to be happening…they are all despicable…. except for the few Republicans who have integrity and the boldness to speak the Truth about what’s going on in that world….
And thanks for sharing what you are listening to…I know that is something I need to bring in to give me focus…at times I am boiling on the inside and I confess with some hatred towards certain public figures…Pelosi. Time to redirect… 😊
As far as retiring or impeachment or 25th, I believe none is correct. I do not believe he incited riot, I do believe evil was there and stupid followed evil. But if they want to call him for inciting, they better call all of those Dems for inciting as well. They were much more direct in their inciting and all need to be censured at minimum, removed from office most of them.
Cheryl – Impeachment at this point wouldn’t be totally pointless. If found guilty, Trump would lose the perks of a former president, such as the pension and security detail.
Kizzie, the Senate isn’t going to meet again until an hour after Biden takes office. Constitutionally, impeachment is to remove a president from office. If he has already left office, he is a private citizen. Apparently there is some disagreement among legal experts and I’m not a constitutional scholar, but the Senate would not seem to have jurisdiction over a man who used to be president for a trial whose purpose is removing him from office. So the gesture is largely symbolic unless the Senate chooses to try him anyway–in which case, I would imagine, the Supreme Court would need to rule whether they in fact have such jurisdiction.
I think the main purpose may be to make sure he doesn’t run again. But it would seem to me that if he is already out of office, action against him is best served by charging him with criminal offenses in a court other than the Senate–kinda like Clinton not being found guilty in the Senate trial but having his law license stripped in the private sector. Whatever happens is likely to get messy. Getting him charged with any criminal offense (other than through impeachment) would be a really hard sell, I think. The best thing would be for him to simply fade away and become a former president from whom one hears little–but I somehow doubt that will happen.
I, on the other hand, hope he keeps busy, leading people to a more conservative future. What he has done for people of faith, babies, children, women, minorities, will quickly get shredded with the liberal takeover. Treating people like people is a good thing. Doesn’t mean God can’t bring up another to take that spot or that God won’t let us reap what we have sown.
Mumsee, definitely I hope he “keeps busy.” I meant in terms of trying to have a public stage and the limelight. You know, like when Obama would get on TV and sneer about Trump? Former presidents didn’t used to do that–and it was far more dignified when they didn’t. In the days when Jimmy Carter built houses with Habitat for Humanity, he was a far better former president than when he started to get involved in foreign affairs. Your term as president is done–walk away. Write a book, speak here and there, but live as a private citizen.
Wandering Views 
A revealing interview with Catholic Archbishop Vigano. Do pray for the Church in China as well…
https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/the-great-reset-bannon-vigano-biden/
“It would be an irreparable disaster if Joe Biden, who is heavily suspected of being complicit with the Chinese dictatorship, would be designated as President of the United States.“
“A President who is simply proclaimed as such by the mainstream media affiliated with the deep state would be deprived of all legitimacy and would expose the nation to dangerous foreign interference, as has already been shown to have happened in the current election.“
“Thus on the one hand we have the Trump administration and the traditional values that it holds in common with those of Catholics; on the other hand we have the deep state of the self-styled Catholic Joe Biden, who is subservient to the globalist ideology and its perverse, anti-human, antichristic, infernal agenda.
In order to put an end to the deep church and restore the Catholic Church, the extent of the involvement of the leaders of the Church with the Masonic-globalist project will have to be revealed: the nature of the corruption and crimes that these men have carried out, thereby making themselves vulnerable to blackmail, just as happens in a similar way in the political field to members of the deep state, beginning with Biden himself. Thus it is to be hoped that any proof of such crimes that is in the possession of the Secret Services would be brought to light, especially in relation to the true motives that led to the resignation of Benedict XVI and the conspiracies underlying the election of Bergoglio, thereby permitting the expulsion of the mercenaries who have seized control of the Church.“
“If the United States misses this opportunity, now, it will be wiped out from History. If it allows the idea to spread among the masses that the electoral choice of the citizens – the first expression of democracy – can be manipulated and thwarted, it will be complicit in the fraud, and will certainly deserve the execration of the entire world, which looks to America as a nation which has fought for and defended its freedom.“
“The plan of the Great Reset makes use of the mainstream media as an indispensable ally: the media corporations are almost all actively part of the deep state and know that the power that will be guaranteed to them in the future depends exclusively on their slavish adherence to its agenda.
Labeling those who denounce the existence of a conspiracy as “conspiracy theorists” confirms, if anything, that this conspiracy exists, and that its authors are very upset at having been found out and reported to public opinion. And yet they themselves have said it: Nothing will be the same again. And also: Build Back Better, in an effort to make us believe that the radical changes they want to impose have been made necessary by a pandemic, by climate change, and by technological progress.
Years ago, those who spoke of the New World Order were called conspiracy theorists. Today, all of the world’s leaders, including Bergoglio, speak with impunity about the New World Order, describing it exactly in the terms that were identified by the so-called conspiracy theorists. It is enough to read the globalists’ declarations to understand that the conspiracy exists and that they pride themselves on being its architects, to the point of admitting the need for a pandemic in order to reach their objectives of social engineering.
To the skeptics I ask: if the models that are proposed to us today are so terrible, what will our children be able to expect when the elite will have succeeded in taking total control over the nations? Families without father and mother, polyamory, sodomy, children who can change their sex, the cancellation of Religion and the imposition of an infernal cult, abortion and euthanasia, the abolition of private property, a health dictatorship, a perpetual pandemic. Is this the world that we want, that you want for yourselves, your children, and your family and friends?
We must all become aware of how much the proponents of the New World Order and the Great Reset hate the inalienable values of our Greco-Christian civilization, such as Religion, the family, respect for life and the inviolable rights of the human person, and national sovereignty.“
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White folks need not apply. Racist.
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Still serving her Chinese overlords……
https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/12/barbara-boxer-china-lobbying-uyghur-hikvision/
“Barbara Boxer Registers To Lobby For Chinese Firm Blacklisted Over Surveillance Of Uyghurs”
“Former California Sen. Barbara Boxer has registered as a foreign agent for Hikvision USA, the American subsidiary of a Chinese surveillance company that has been blacklisted by the U.S. government.
Boxer, a Democrat, registered the work through Mercury Public Affairs, the prominent lobbying firm that she joined as a consultant early last year.
Boxer’s registration form, filed through the Justice Department under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, says she will be “providing strategic counsel” to Hikvision, which produces surveillance equipment for the Chinese government and Chinese military.
The Trump administration has cracked down on investments in firms linked to the Chinese government, including Hikvision and Huawei.”
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In case you’re wondering about their plans…..
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PBS fired him for exposing the plan I guess.
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Let me fix that for you Mr. Propagandist….
Has even one of the Dem officials or their propaganda media who spread the election lies about Russia, or supported a coup of Trump, or incited the mob of BLM and Antifa, publicly expressed an ounce of regret or contrition?
There, fixed it, you piece if trash hack.
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In a word.
No.
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Listen with discernment (before it is taken down)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teTHn0dFJSY
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Interesting views there, Tychicus. I can concur with a lot of that, not sure I can agree the vax is the mark though. But it certainly could be used as part of the process to control buying and selling.
A lot of Christians on here do not agree with the end times as laid out here though. I could go with it as it seems to follow Scripture teaching.
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A gunshot wound to the chest = suicide??? Hmmm…
More likely, he knew too much about what happened at the Capitol building.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/man-from-georgia-arrested-after-entering-us-capitol-killed-himself_3655017.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-13-1
If only the FBI had been this dogged in pursing those who committed and covered up election fraud…
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This “hearing” is a joke. Again.
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Quarreling for its own sake, and when to walk away: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/unhealthy-people-crave-controversy/
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Somewhat related to 1:32 (I haven’t read that link yet)?
https://www.tmatt.net/columns/2021/1/6/it-doesnt-help-when-true-believers-start-joining-mobs-engaged-in-online-combat
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It doesn’t help when true believers start joining mobs engaged in online combat
It seemed that whenever the Rev. Daniel Darling ventured into social media, he saw the same red flags – so he posted a commentary on “Christians and Conspiracy Theories.”
“Because it’s online, doesn’t mean it’s true,” he noted. “Because a story is advanced by someone whose ideology I agree with, doesn’t mean it’s true. …
“For some reason, we are a people who want to believe there is a big plot behind every single thing that happens. … If you watch enough cable TV, depending on your political persuasion, you will come to think that behind every act in Congress there is a string of connected dots that go back to either George Soros (liberal) or the Koch brothers (conservative).”
This wasn’t a hot take on QAnon letters or rumors of shredded Georgia ballots.
Darling wrote those words a decade ago, while leading an evangelical church near Chicago. …
… “I’m not saying we should run away and hide,” said Darling, in a telephone interview. “There’s no way to avoid the fact that social media is a crucial part of American life. I don’t think Christians have any choice about whether or not to be engaged. …
“What we need to do is be more careful when deciding where to draw lines and take stands. But, unless you’re Amish, I don’t see anyone sitting this one out.”
It’s especially important for religious leaders to warn their followers not to join the online “mobs” that are destroying America’s ability to have sane public debates. …
… At some point, people who view themselves as social-media apologists will need to be more effective, searching for reputable sources to quote and ways to praise acts of mercy as much as they attack the words of those they believe are in error.
It would also help, said Darling, if true believers learned to laugh at themselves and maybe even to apologize after making mistakes. And it’s wise to think twice before fighting with “trolls” who aren’t interested in finding common ground or clarifying points of sincere disagreement.
“Some people really are convinced that courage and civility are incompatible,” he said. “They think that – unless you’re shouting at the top of your lungs or typing IN ALL CAPS – you aren’t really defending the faith. That’s so attractive.”
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The mark of the beast will be something that a believer cannot accidentally get by getting a vaccine or any other thing. It will be a deliberate choice. (If that view of Revelation is correct.)
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A pastor who is also a biologist writes about the Covid vaccines: https://rpwitness.org/trunk/page/article/the-christian-and-the-covid-vaccine
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Too bad. 🙂
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1349420038147735555
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Yeah….. good times….
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Idiots everywhere.
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https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1349422072750100482
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Don’t you love it when the traitorous guy caught having sex with a Chinese spy gives you morality lessons?
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He serves his Chinese masters well.
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https://twitter.com/Propheteuon/status/1349428429494640643
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Well Hack Tapper?
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Those who “govern” have collectively lost their ever lovin’ minds! I sent McConnell an email sharing with him my disgust of him..it will do no good but at least he knows one more Republican has left the party….
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Awwww…..
Too bad. 🙂
Note this is William A. Jacobson is a Clinical Professor of Law and Director of the Securities Law Clinic at Cornell Law School saying so.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/01/impeachment-2-0-no-the-senate-cannot-convict-trump-after-he-leaves-office/
“Impeachment 2.0 – No, the Senate cannot convict Trump after he leaves office
At best, supporters of post-departure Senate impeachment conviction could say there is an argument for it, but it’s complicated. Opponents merely need to point to the words of the Constitution.”
“The U.S. House will be voting today to impeach Trump. It’s a done deal because Democrats have the majority, and probably will get about 20 Republicans to join them. Then it eventually heads to the Senate for trial, where Mitch McConnell has said the earliest a trial could be held under Senate Rules (unless there is unanimous consent to waive them, which will not happen) is an hour after Biden takes office on January 20.
I have seen discussion that McConnell and Schumer could agree to an emergency session, but that would mean a quick trial in a matter of days. Not sure how viable an option that is. [Update – reports indicate McConnell will not agree to an emergency session.]
Democrats are suggesting that the Senate could hold a trial even after Trump leaves office, perhaps as much as months later depending on what timing Biden thought benefitted his legislative agenda. The purpose would not be to remove Trump — he’d already be gone — but to preclude him from running again as part of the punishment. They also might seek to strip away his lifetime salary and security stipend.
The question is, can the Senate hold an impeachment trial and convict a president after the president already has left office. I think the plain wording of the constitution says such post-departure impeachment is not permitted. But there is a split of opinion.
Article II, Section 4, provides:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
So the premise of impeachment is that it is against someone who is the President, not someone who once was the President. Also, the purpose is removal, which cannot happen if someone already has left office.
Article I, Section II, Section 7, provides for the remedies available in the Judgment after Senate trial:
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
So there are remedies beyond removal, but that presumes a proper conviction. It is those other remedies that Democrats and some Republicans want more than anything, but there is nothing in the language of the constitution to suggest that the post-conviction remedies expand the time scope of impeachment trial and conviction.”
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And they proved nothing today, except to reinforce the fact that Dems are lying camera whores.
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These people have lost their minds. I’m beginning to think they’re truely demonized. And the utter blindness and folly of Christian leaders who are just piling on—Russell Moore in particular surprised me.
Do we have the names of those 10 House republicans who voted to impeach?
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Here are the backstabbing Republicans who voted for impeachment:
Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming
Rep. John Katko of New York
Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan
Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington
Rep. Dan Newhouse of Washington
Rep. Peter Meijer of Michigan
Rep. Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio
Rep. Tom Rice of South Carolina
Rep. David Valadao of California
Disgusting…..
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I’ve downloaded John MacArthur’s app , Grace to You, and it’s great to have that playing while I’m doing other things. Its very encouraging and keeps the focus on the important things.
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Thanks, NancyJill. They should get no party funding in the future. Perhaps some of them already have one foot in the Democratic party.
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I am suspecting there are close to Republican Democrats just as there are close to Democrat Republicans. It is actually a spectrum. Many of them are actually doing what they think is best. We need to be praying for them that true wisdom would prevail. That video shown by Tychicus today, the Olive Tree, opened my eyes quite a bit. Sometimes I have been just thinking of Democrat/ Republican, forgetting the bigger picture that is playing out. The forces of evil continually trying to drag people away from God, while God remains His perfect Self, drawing people to Him.
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I think that impeachment at this point is more a statement than anything; he can be impeached but he can’t be removed from office, since the trial can’t begin before he is already gone. Nevertheless, I was opposed to the first impeachment and I think this one justified and probably would have voted to impeach had I been in the position to vote. Really at this point they can impeach and then they can see whether or not to press criminal charges as a common citizen, which he will become next week, so impeachment is somewhat meaningless but is still a moral judgment. (I think his resignation was the best of the three options being debated. The 25th amendment wasn’t put in place for such a situation.)
I personally think it is good when politicians are able and willing to break from the party line when it is the right thing to do. We’re happy when Democrats do it when it is the right thing to do, and we should be happy when Republicans have the courage of their convictions, too.
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My guess is they hated Trump all along…like Liz Cheney…well he didn’t like her either so there you go…she got one last stab. The Republican Party is going down the drain. Biden wants “unity”…yeah…a united Dem And Repub party…to form one big happy Democratic Party…and that appears to be happening…they are all despicable…. except for the few Republicans who have integrity and the boldness to speak the Truth about what’s going on in that world….
And thanks for sharing what you are listening to…I know that is something I need to bring in to give me focus…at times I am boiling on the inside and I confess with some hatred towards certain public figures…Pelosi. Time to redirect… 😊
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Exactly. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
As far as retiring or impeachment or 25th, I believe none is correct. I do not believe he incited riot, I do believe evil was there and stupid followed evil. But if they want to call him for inciting, they better call all of those Dems for inciting as well. They were much more direct in their inciting and all need to be censured at minimum, removed from office most of them.
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Cheryl – Impeachment at this point wouldn’t be totally pointless. If found guilty, Trump would lose the perks of a former president, such as the pension and security detail.
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Kizzie, the Senate isn’t going to meet again until an hour after Biden takes office. Constitutionally, impeachment is to remove a president from office. If he has already left office, he is a private citizen. Apparently there is some disagreement among legal experts and I’m not a constitutional scholar, but the Senate would not seem to have jurisdiction over a man who used to be president for a trial whose purpose is removing him from office. So the gesture is largely symbolic unless the Senate chooses to try him anyway–in which case, I would imagine, the Supreme Court would need to rule whether they in fact have such jurisdiction.
I think the main purpose may be to make sure he doesn’t run again. But it would seem to me that if he is already out of office, action against him is best served by charging him with criminal offenses in a court other than the Senate–kinda like Clinton not being found guilty in the Senate trial but having his law license stripped in the private sector. Whatever happens is likely to get messy. Getting him charged with any criminal offense (other than through impeachment) would be a really hard sell, I think. The best thing would be for him to simply fade away and become a former president from whom one hears little–but I somehow doubt that will happen.
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I, on the other hand, hope he keeps busy, leading people to a more conservative future. What he has done for people of faith, babies, children, women, minorities, will quickly get shredded with the liberal takeover. Treating people like people is a good thing. Doesn’t mean God can’t bring up another to take that spot or that God won’t let us reap what we have sown.
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Mumsee, definitely I hope he “keeps busy.” I meant in terms of trying to have a public stage and the limelight. You know, like when Obama would get on TV and sneer about Trump? Former presidents didn’t used to do that–and it was far more dignified when they didn’t. In the days when Jimmy Carter built houses with Habitat for Humanity, he was a far better former president than when he started to get involved in foreign affairs. Your term as president is done–walk away. Write a book, speak here and there, but live as a private citizen.
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