41 thoughts on “News/Politics 12-27-18

  1. They seem to like him. 🙂


    So the left is whining, of course.


    Too bad for her this isn’t “politicking” for him.


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  3. And again, responsibility for it rests with the father.


    “The father of the Guatemalan child who died Christmas Eve denied further medical treatment from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents after the child vomited following an initial examination from doctors, a spokesman from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said on a call to reporters Wednesday.

    Government officials provided further details, including the startling disclosure of the father’s behavior, regarding the timeline of the child’s deteriorating condition. According to officials, the 8-year-old boy, Felipe Gomez Alonzo, was given multiple medical examinations by doctors before being released with prescription medications.

    Following the child’s first discharge from the hospital, both he and the father were put into a temporary holding facility where agents were aware of the child’s illness and provided the child with his medication. A few hours after the father and boy entered the facility, the child complained of being nauseous and later vomited.

    It was at this point the father declined further medical treatment for his son and told officials he “had been feeling better,” an official said.

    During a subsequent welfare check, agents at the facility noticed the child’s condition and transported him to the hospital. The child later lost consciousness during transit and was eventually declared dead just before midnight.”


  4. Some good news, which the market was in need of after last week’s mini-tech crash..


    “The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 1,086 points, gaining nearly 5 percent, the biggest point gain in history, Wednesday afternoon after a rough Christmas Day.

    The Dow Jones also had the biggest upside move on a percentage basis since March 23, 2009, according to CNBC. This comes as the stock market had its worst week in nearly 10 years from Dec. 17 through Dec. 21, dropping over 400 points.

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi released a joint statement Monday, saying that President Donald Trump “is plunging the country into chaos” and “the stock market is tanking and the president is waging a personal war on the Federal Reserve.””


    Poor Chuck and Nancy, clueless and lying, as always.



    “So the left has been up in arms for days now about the government shutdown, pitching wails over the Wall Street numbers and stock market showing and predicting nothing but gloom and doom and financial suffering because of President Donald Trump.

    Then along come retail sales and put all that blather in its place.

    “U.S. Holiday Retail Sales Are Strongest in Years, Early Data Show,” the Wall Street Journal reported on Christmas Day.

    And this from CNBC, the following day: “Retail is having its best holiday season in 6 years.”


  5. Nice to see the WaPo finally admit they had a foreign agent/spy on the payroll. And they knew it all along. They also knew he wasn’t writing most of what they printed as his stories.

    So how did the Qatari’s get the WaPo to play along with their charade and push Khashoogi’s propaganda pieces? Cash? Access? Both?


    “A lot of people have been highly skeptical of the way the Washington Post and its fellow outlets have treated the story of Jamal Khashoggi. He is the Washington Post opinion writer who was killed by Saudi Arabian operatives at their consulate in Istanbul. Regardless of the facts and circumstances, a couple of things have been clear from the beginning. First, the Turkish government has used Khashoggi’s death as the core of a full-bore information operation designed to stop US-Saudi cooperation in the Middle East. Second, the Washington Post, for reasons they haven’t fully disclosed, elected to make the death of this op-ed writer a cause célèbre in a way they never did when Obama’s BFFs, the Iranian mullahs, held their Tehran bureau chief Jason Rezaian in prison. In fact, you’d be excused for thinking we were back in the bad old days of yellow journalism when William Randolph Hearst wired his illustrator in Cuba (oddly enough, Frederic Remington), “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”

    Anyone who has dug into the the story knows that Khashoggi was not some latter day Arab democrat. In his younger days he traveled with Osama bin Laden and was sympathetic to him and to al Qaeda. He was a hard core Muslim Brotherhood operative and used his writing to serve as their apologist. He was the kind of anti-Semite you’d expect to have that pedigree. Though he was touted by the Washington Post as being in favor of a free press in the Arab world, that concept was not one we’d recognize. He’d recently complained that the Saudi government was allowing papers to say positive things about Israel.

    Interestingly, just a couple of days ago, the Washington Post ran a story which started rewriting the hagiography that they’ve created surrounding Khashoggi.

    Perhaps most problematic for Khashoggi were his connections to an organization funded by Saudi Arabia’s regional nemesis, Qatar. Text messages between Khashoggi and an executive at Qatar Foundation International show that the executive, Maggie Mitchell Salem, at times shaped the columns he submitted to The Washington Post, proposing topics, drafting material and prodding him to take a harder line against the Saudi government. Khashoggi also appears to have relied on a researcher and translator affiliated with the organization, which promotes Arabic-language education in the United States.

    But a lot more is hinted at:

    Khashoggi was never a staff employee of the Post, and he was paid about $500 per piece for the 20 columns he wrote over the course of the year. He lived in an apartment near Tysons Corner in Fairfax County that he had purchased while working at the Saudi Embassy a decade earlier. [Note: how did he live in the DC Metro area for about $10K/year?]

    Khashoggi also appears to have accepted significant help with his columns. Salem, the executive at the Qatar foundation, reviewed his work in advance and in some instances appears to have proposed language, according to a voluminous collection of messages obtained by The Post. [Journalists accepting “significant help” from government operatives in writing stories is a fact of how journalism is conducted in the Middle East, the Post eliding over this speaks volumes.]

    In early August, Salem prodded Khashoggi to write about Saudi Arabia’s alliances “from DC to Jerusalem to rising right wing parties across Europe…bringing an end to the liberal world order that challenges their abuses at home.”

    Khashoggi expressed misgivings about such a strident tone, then asked, “So do you have time to write it?””


  6. AJ – Unless other details come forward, I would also not necessarily blame the father. He said his son was feeling better. It is possible that the boy seemed to be doing better, then took a turn for the worse. In cases like this, there is often no one who deserves the blame.


  7. Kizzie,

    Whether he was feeling better is irrelevant. He’d just vomited again and was offered more (free by the way) care. He refused. What good father does that when their child is still obviously ill? A good father says, well it can’t hurt to check again, please do.


  8. Its politicking. Imagine Obama signing HOPE posters. The right would explode and justifiably so….signing campaign materials is politicking. Mind you the entire idea of visiting the troops is political campaigning. Bush, Obama and now Trump are all guilty. They’ve all notmalized war and made it political theater.


  9. Duty of care. Once the child is in custody, she is the responsibility of the custodians ie ICE. The father’s opinion is irrelevant unless she was discharged. In a hospital a father can say my child is fine but while the child is still there, the hospital has a duty of care.


  10. Awwww….

    Poor media. And they had their headline and memes all ready to go. 🙂


    “The Dow Industrial Average made history Wednesday with it’s largest single-day point gain in history. Surging 1,086 points, the Dow surged past Christmas Eve loses.

    More from the Wall Street Journal:

    The Dow Jones Industrial Average surged more than 1,000 points for the first time in a single session Wednesday, rebounding after a bruising four-session selloff put the blue-chip index and the S&P 500 on the brink of a bear market.

    All 30 stocks in the Dow industrials notched gains, as did each of the 11 sectors in the broader S&P. Shares of Amazon.com, Facebook and Netflix climbed more than 8%, while retailers rallied as early data on the crucial holiday shopping season appeared robust. And a nearly 9% rise in oil prices offered a respite for shares of beaten-down energy companies.

    Worries about the Federal Reserve’s path of interest-rate increases, trade tensions with China and slumping oil prices have spooked investors for much of the fourth quarter, putting all three major U.S. indexes on track for annual declines for the first time since 2008. The blue chips lost more than 1,800 points, or nearly 8%, in the four trading sessions entering Wednesday.

    “Hopefully the relief in the markets holds this week,” said Eric Wiegand, portfolio manager at U.S. Bank Private Wealth Management, referring to brief relief rallies in stocks over the past month that faded. “A lot of Washington-centric worries are still present.”

    The blue-chip index climbed 1,086 points, or 5%, to 22878, its largest one-day percentage gain since March 2009. The S&P 500 added 5%, led by the consumer-discretionary and technology groups that powered the index higher for much of the year. The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite rose 5.8%.

    The bounce back left a market doom, gloom, and looming crash narrative dead and bloodied.”


    You can check out their ruined doom and gloom headlines and read the rest at the link.


  11. Duty of care does not apply when the parent is present to consent. The duty of care is his, and care was offered.

    Are you now advocating forced care over the parents wishes?


  12. Regardless of the Qatari influence, a murder of a US journalist in a NATO country deserves a heavier response. In an area of the world where the honour code means more than the code of law, America’s lack of response sends a signal.

    The Pentagon has its journalists, FOX works for the Republican party and/or Trump etc. In fact Khassonogi’s Qatari connections aren’t much different than the Republican connections of some FOX hosts. In any case, Qatar is far more accepting of western values than the Saudis who are main supporters of Islamic terrorism in the West. The US needs to move beyond the Saudis and work with Qatar and Iran. Working with Saudis is in the Israeli interests not Americas.


  13. Once an institution has a person in its care or custody, it has a duty of care. Hospitals (and schools) often overrule parental wishes. ICE has a child in custody and thus assumes care. I’m not in favour of ICE throwing children in jail but if they do they are ultimately responsible not the father. The fact the father is in custody mitigates his responsibility as he has no power and may be fearful if he advocates.

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  14. They aren’t politicking. It’s not election season. Trump isn’t currently in a political race. They aren’t and were’nt actively campaigning for him, thus no violation. They got the President’s autograph on a hat they bought. No campaign provided them. There are no violations here.

    Google is helpful in times like these……



    Further examples…..


    “Military rules prohibit participation in “partisan political” events as a speaker or organizer and mandate that servicemembers avoid media interviews in which they advocate “for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.”

    Troops are allowed to attend political events as spectators, but not while in uniform.”


    None of which happened here. It was NOT a political event to start with. It was a visit from the CoC.


  15. I’m old enough to remember when ordinary people ignored the stock market. Now its seen as a leading economic indicator. Ironically this at time when its largely divorced from the real economy.

    My gold/crypto currency friends were watching with glee as they viewed the crashing stock market as a prelude to the death of the fiat currency. I didn’t even argue as I knew a little Christmas/end of the year recovery was coming. There are problems in the horizon but the stock market isn’t one of them.


  16. You missed my point….the normalization of war and its use as political theatre makes any stop a campaign stop. This isn’t just Trump and nor is it a legal violation as you point out but it demonstrates war as a normal part of American political life ( which is sad )

    And be honest, if Obama signed HOPE posters, the right would lose it. I love tweet where someone expressed the opinion that it wasn’t normal to oppose everything Trump did. I wonder if he would tweet this if we substituted Obama for Trump.

    On a side note….the hats were/are for sale…js Trump Inc profiting from the sale? Or is the Republican party? Is the former a violation of enoulement clause or the latter a campaign violation?


  17. Trump is the Commander in Chief. You may not like him, but he is the ultimate CO. As a result, you in the military are obligated to honor his POSITION, if not the man.

    Obviously, some of these military members like him. Others do not. BUT you cannot ignore him since he’s the CO.

    That’s how military members thread that tricky political needle.

    It’s also what we taught our children.


  18. THIS is CNN.



  19. That’s not this works …….

    That’s not how any of this works you clueless twits.

    Now the media seems to think they shamed Trump into going. A good narrative, were the trip not planned 6 weeks ago….



  20. The media had already planned their hit pieces on Trump. But then he showed up. Too bad some had already run their leftist tripe masquerading as journalism.




  21. I guess this is necessary to save some children from their own parent’s poor decisions and care.

    I’ll also note how we’re constantly told these people aren’t bringing diseases and illness with them into the country, when that’s clearly false.


    “Border Patrol Orders Universal Secondary Pediatric Screening After 2nd Child Dies In Custody; Update: DHS Probing Shelters In Mexico”


    “Yesterday, USCBP commissioner Kevin McAleenan ordered immediate changes to policy and procedures in response to the second death, which he called a “tragic loss”:

    • First, Border Patrol is conducting secondary medical checks on all children in CBP care and custody, with a focus on children under age 10.
    • Second, Border Patrol is working with Immigration and Customs Enforcement on surge options for transportation to Family Residential Centers and supervised release, CBP said. The agency also is reviewing other custody options to relieve capacity issues in the El Paso, Texas, sector, such as working with nongovernmental organizations or local partners for temporary housing.
    • Third, CBP is considering options for medical assistance with other governmental partners, the agency said. That could include support from the Coast Guard as well as possibly more aid from the Defense Department, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Health and Human Services, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    • Finally, CBP is reviewing its policies, with a focus on the care and custody of children under 10 — both at intake and beyond 24 hours in custody, the agency said.

    These are all good options for dealing with the unknowns of child custody. It’s not clear that any of these would have necessarily helped Gomez Alonso. According to the timeline released by USCBP yesterday, both the boy and his father received water, hot food, snacks, and dozens of welfare checks between the date of his detention (December 18) and when USCBP first noticed symptoms of illness (December 24th, 9 am).

    Within 15 hours, Gomez Alonso would be dead, but it wasn’t for lack of initial attention. A processing agent ordered him taken to the ER as a possible flu case, and the hospital tested him for strep before deciding that Gomez Alonso had a cold and gave him Tylenol. However, they later discovered he had a 103-degree fever and kept him under observation for 90 minutes before releasing him back to a temporary holding facility. By 7 pm, the boy was vomiting, but it took until 10 before they took him back to the ER — and he lost consciousness on the way, dying shortly afterward at the hospital.

    With the exception of the three-hour delay in getting the boy to the hospital that evening — which has not yet been explained — the USCBP appeared to have gone far beyond the “secondary medical check” that will now be SOP. They flagged the problem at multiple points after proving food and water to both the boy and his father. As the NYT notes, “there is no evidence so far that conditions in detention were the cause” of the death. It makes more sense to look at the hospital, which had him in their care nine hours before his death. Why didn’t they hold him for more observation, especially with a fever of 103, rather than release him to go back to a detention facility? Was that a USCBP decision, or a failure of the hospital? Or a mixture of both?”


  22. Left out the best part….

    “Update: The Department of Homeland Security wonders if one or more shelters in Mexico might be inadvertently incubating … something:

    Officials from DHS said Wednesday they’re investigating the Christmas Eve death of an 8-year-old Guatemalan boy in the custody of U.S. border patrol agents — but they suggested the problem could have originated before he got to the U.S.

    There are “literally dozens” of migrants crossing the border each day with illnesses, and DHS is looking into whether migrant shelters in Mexico “may be prone to spreading disease, et cetera, that are causing some of these illnesses,” a DHS official told reporters on a conference call Wednesday.

    DHS is seeking to examine health conditions at Mexican migrant facilities, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen will soon be visiting installations south of the border.

    It would have to be a bug that takes a week or so to incubate. Gomez Alonso had been in USCBP custody for six days when he got sick.”


  23. AJ – Whenever some kind of tragedy or whatnot happens, the parents are often (usually) blamed. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, as we don’t know what was going through their minds, and there are facts we are not privy to.


  24. Btw, I started typing the above comment quite a while ago, but have had several interruptions, between The Boy and the dogs, and now I see a bunch more comments, so maybe I will read something that changes my mind on not blaming the father.


  25. The child was in custody, so was their responsibility. We deal with law enforcement and their prisoners daily. They don’t get to refuse treatment.

    We see lots of kids with the child’s symptoms. I would think they ran the viral screen (flu A&B, RSV) and strep. If these came back negative, you would treat the fever, which they did,(child came in at 103 and left at 102.5, a downward trend), and discharge.

    In your mind, the healthcare might be free, but the parent came from a place where healthcare is not free. When we register patients, the law enforcement agency is not put in as the guarantor, it is the patient/parent. I am sure the father was feeling helpless and confused,.

    Children can decompensate quickly.

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  26. One of our Dr’s pointed out last night that 10,000 people die of the flu every year. They just don’t make the news because they weren’t in a migrant caravan and in police custody.

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  27. On top of all the above, I have much less heartburn about paying for an illegal immigrant who actually needs medical care, than I do for the welfare/medicaid moms on meth with 5 kids from 5 different dads, that don’t work, and bring their 18 month old in at 2 am with a fever. “Did you give them tylenol or ibuprofen? Oh no, I wanted you to see he had a fever.” Native born Americans, educated in our public schools.

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  28. AJ…Two week narrative? Try two years. Outside of the FOX bubble, Trump’s military record and lack of visits has been mocked endlessly. I would say two years of public shaming worked but then I note his behaviour while there.

    My previous comments were under the assumption these were twonyear old MAGA hats…that is bad enough but to sign Trump 2020 hats is clearly campaigning. As I said before, if this was Obama, the right/Republicans would be complaining not only about politicking but the cult of personality.
    Trump and his Republican supporters are shameless.


  29. To add to what RK said, it is common for children to throw up when they are sick, or even when we didn’t know they were sick. The hospital had discharged him, and the boy had seemed to be feeling better, so the father may have thought the throwing up was merely part of the illness getting out of his system, or the medicine making him sick. Who knows? But it sounds like the child went downhill fast, so I am not blaming anyone.

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  30. So everyone just ignores the father’s lack of care and compassion for his child that he would even undertake such a trek with said child in tow, all for economic benefit, which is the real reason they came here? The migrants themselves admit that. There’s no evidence the trip was for any other reason.

    And while it’s true that schools, jails, nursing homes, ski resorts, and Walmart can be breeding grounds for disease, you aren’t breaking laws or violating the sovereignty of another country by visiting them.

    All of this happened because the father tried to commit multiple crimes. All of it could have been avoided had he just stayed home, where he and his child came from. Place the blame where it lies. Not on govt, but on his head. Everything else has just been in reaction to his illegal acts. He and he alone owns this.

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  31. Economic benefit vs starvation…..seems like an easy choice to me. If you have ever personally dealt with the INS and their inept system, it is almost impossible for a poor person to enter legallly.

    My Irish ancestors were also trying to escape starvation and came for economic reasons.

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  32. When you live in a place with a dirt floor, your children are hungry, there are no jobs, you can’t afford food, much less save money for endless forms that each come with a charge, is it kinder to watch your child starve, than to take a one time dangerous trip to a nation that rewards hard work? If you have a strong back and good work ethic, you can find work in the US, legal or not.. This is not true of Mexico and other central American countries. I think the father showed great care and compassion in wanting something better, and actually doing something to make it better for his child.

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  33. Good input, RK.

    Many of us here have ancestors (and maybe not that far in the past) who came here for a better life, aka economic benefit. Some people, even children, died on their way here. We think of them as heroes.

    I don’t remember the exact details, but immigrating to America didn’t used to involve all the hoops and such that it does now. The process was a lot easier.

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  34. How many of us go to the doctor each time we (or our child) throws up? It doesn’t have to be someone’s “fault” when someone dies.

    In fact, it only occurred to me recently how close I potentially came to being on the news as one of those awful foster parents who don’t take proper care of the children in their care.

    I had a kindergarten child, let’s call her C, who had physical issues that were undiagnosed when she was in my care. She was thin and frail, tired easily, and had a hard time learning. When frustrated by her inabilities, she would succumb to anger and even rage. Had she not been so weak, she might have been dangerous.

    She entered my care throwing up. I heard she hadn’t been feeling well, but I was halfway home when she began throwing up, and doing so voluminously. She soaked her clothes (T-shirt and shorts), and I changed them. For the next 24 hours she threw up about once every hour. I got some food into her, and I kept into constant contact with my caseworker. I gave her a bucket in bed, and I slept right across the hall. Multiple times in the night I heard her begin to throw up, and I rushed across the hall to be with her and help her, getting no sleep that night. I asked the caseworker if I should take her to the doctor, and he told me her insurance card hadn’t come through, that in an emergency we could take her anyway, but for now hold off. We had a nurse practitioner in my church, and I had her come by and look at C the next day; she assured me she wasn’t dangerously dehydrated, and to continue giving her fluids and as much nutrition as I could. For all I know, she might have already thrown up several times before she entered my care.

    A few months later, a family in my church had a child about the same age but larger, and they talked about her throwing up every two hours for several hours, and how it was necessary to take her to the ER as a result.

    But it didn’t really occur to me until somewhat recently that had she died in my care, “the caseworker said not to take her to the ER” would not have meant anything at all to the media or to the public. It would not have mattered that I had not had my own young child (I didn’t have tons of parenting experience) and I had taken the extra precaution of having a nurse practitioner look her over. It wouldn’t even have mattered that she was frail and throwing up when she came to me; her very frailness could have been seen as evidence of my neglect. And not taking a child to the doctor when she is small for her age already, and has thrown up hourly (including very profusely the first time) for 24 hours, would have been seen as extreme neglect. Faced with the same choice today I would probably insist we have to take her to see someone–but at the time I deferred to the one who was ultimately responsible, the case worker, even though my own instincts said she needed to see a doctor to be on the safe side.

    But the reality is we all make judgment calls all the time, and children who are throwing up are not usually about to die. Nor does it need to be someone’s “fault” if a person does die. And blaming a parent who has already lost their child isn’t particular helpful; he’ll second-guess himself the rest of his life, but nobody would have expected the child to die.

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  35. And you have no idea if any of that was this father and child’s situation. Do you have or have you seen evidence of that?

    No. You don’t.

    Yet we have evidence that men are dragging children on a dangerous trek because the child is their golden ticket. There is evidence of this, from the migrants own mouth, which I posted last week. The majority interviewed all said the same.

    Here’s more. It’s OK to have a soft heart. Just don’t let it blind your eyes to reality.


    “DHS: 110 percent surge in migrant men using kids to enter US, ‘rampant fraud'”


    “For Central Americans, children open a path to the U.S. — and bring a discount”

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