39 thoughts on “News/Politics 8-23-17

  1. Day 8 of Not Making Fun of Trump. I saw where DJ said there was a speech last night, so I am avoiding the news this morning and watching Greer Garson on TCM before work. The movie is “Her Twelve Men”. It’s not bad.

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  2. Regarding your discussion of Country Music. There was a shift some time in the late 1960’s and into the 1970’s that makes me believe that the downfall of our Nation and our morals were imbedded in the lyrics of many country songs.
    I won’t insult you with the lyrics but I recently hear Gene Watson sing Love in the Hot Afternoon (1975). I have since discovered that if I see Gene Watson’s name on my radio to change the station.

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  3. I agree, Kim. The movies, TV and country music of the early ’60s were nothing like that of the early 70’s.


  4. HRW was also on to something the other day. Forced corporate relocations led to a dilution and weakening of Southern culture. Before long, our kids were watching Jersey Shore and our people were voting for the person I am not allowed to make fun of.


  5. Ya’ gotta love ESPN (Extremely Stupid Sports Network)


    “The stupid. It hurts us, precious. Our friend Gary Gross at the Let Freedom Ring blog invoked an old standard which may summarize this best. “There’s no sense making something idiot-proof. They’ll just build a better idiot.”

    The saddest part of all this is that it’s a completely self-inflicted wound on the part of ESPN. They not only have (or perhaps more accurately “had”) the perfect excuse for staying out of the political minefield, but by definition they can claim a corporate mandate to do so. If you run any sort of general news outfit, subjects like the confederate monument flap are hard to dodge. It’s up to management as to how much spin they put on it and in which direction. But ESPN was never a “general news” outlet. It says it right in their name. Their mandate is to cover sports.
    They could have skipped this entirely and nobody would have had a reason to carp over it. If I’m looking for the latest news on the collapse of Venezuela I don’t go to the NFL Network. And if I was stupid enough to do so I’d have no right to complain to them over their lack of coverage.

    One or two incidents might have been the result of individual broadcast personalities going off the rails and might be overlooked. But now the list of questionable occurrences has grown long enough to draw some conclusions. ESPN is a liberal leaning network with some built-in bias which runs from the top down. And it’s such an incredibly bad business decision. Their mandate, as I said above, is to cover sports. Everyone loves sports! (Okay.. not everyone, but enough of the country to make a network rich beyond the dreams of avarice.) And it’s entertainment which crosses political, ideological lines. When you decide to stake yourself out as being on one “team” or the the other in the American Game of Thrones, you risk losing half your audience.

    Is it any wonder their ratings are tanking and they had to lay off so many people? Somebody go give the top level management a red card.”

    But such is life at all the networks, and for those who live in fear of the online mob.


    “James Damore, the author of the notorious Google memo, has had his 15 minutes of fame. In six months, few of us will be able to remember his name. But Google will remember — not the company, but the search engine. For the rest of his life, every time he meets someone new or applies for a job, the first thing they will learn about him, and probably the only thing, is that he wrote a document that caused an internet uproar.

    The internet did not invent the public relations disaster, or the summary firing to make said disaster go away. What the internet changed is the scale of the disasters, and the number of people who are vulnerable to them, and the cold implacable permanence of the wreckage they leave behind.”

    “I find myself in more and more conversations that sound as if we’re living in one of the later-stage Communist regimes. Not the ones that shot people, but the ones that discovered you didn’t need to shoot dissidents, as long as you could make them pariahs — no job, no apartment, no one willing to be seen talking to them in public.

    The people I have these conversations with are terrified that something they say will inadvertently offend the self-appointed powers-that-be. They’re afraid that their email will be hacked, and stray snippets will make them the next one in the internet stocks. They’re worried that some opinion they hold now will unexpectedly be declared anathema, forcing them to issue a humiliating public recantation, or risk losing their friends and their livelihood.

    Social media mobs are not, of course, as pervasive and terrifying as the Communist Party spies. But the Soviet Union is no more, and the mobs are very much with us, so it’s their power we need to think about.”


  6. I understand the decision, it’s how the military does things. But it does nothing to address the problem, and certainly doesn’t solve it or tell us what caused these accidents.


    “Following the second disastrous collision to take place on his watch, the Navy has moved to relieve Vice Adm. Joseph P. Aucoin from command of the 7th Fleet. For anyone who has spent any time in or around the Navy this is a completely predictable response and in keeping with Navy policy. Still, it’s got to sting a bit. (Washington Post)

    The U.S. Navy on Wednesday relieved the admiral in charge of the service’s 7th Fleet based in Japan, a spokesman announced. The move comes after four embarrassing accidents this year, two of which killed sailors at sea.

    Admiral Scott Swift, commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet relieved Vice Adm. Joseph P. Aucoin from his duties at the 7th Fleet’s Yokosuka base in Japan. Rear Admiral Phil Sawyer, the Pacific Fleet’s deputy commander, will immediately take command.

    The incidents include the deadly collision Monday of the destroyer USS John S. McCain with a much heavier oil tanker off Singapore, and a June 17 accident in which the destroyer USS Fitzgerald was ripped open by a larger Japanese container ship.”

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  7. Quick!

    Someone remind me that all the violence comes from the right….. 🙄


    ““I hope Trump is assassinated!” soon-to-be former State Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal wrote on Facebook.

    She is now being investigated by the Secret Service. Even some Democrats are calling for the lawmaker to resign. Unfortunately, her remarks are just the tip of the left-wing meltdown that is turning into real and worsening violence.

    Don’t believe me? Then you haven’t been paying close enough attention.

    Police indicted more than 200 rioters from the violent protests surrounding President Trump’s inauguration. The riots injured six police officers and caused millions of dollars of damage. Some of the protesters face felony charges and covered their faces to hide their identities. Good ideas flourish in the sunlight. You don’t need a black mask if you have a point.
    We’re dealing with cowards that deserve our scorn, not World War II vets who defeated the Third Reich.”

    “Without a doubt, the horrific events in Charlottesville, Va., last week were un-American and reprehensible. The Klan members and Nazis that marched on the city aren’t a part of respectable or mainstream politics, and certainly not in the Republican Party.

    But violence is gaining actual legitimacy on the other side of the political spectrum. Left-wing violence is on the rise. Even Noam Chomsky sees the incredible lengths they’ve gone to, calling Antifa a “major gift to the right.” Peter Beinhart wrote in the Atlantic about the rise of the “violent left” even as he chided President Trump’s interpretation of the group.

    The list of left-wing violence since President Trump’s inauguration is exhaustive. Riots in Berkeley over Milo’s speech; 21 arrested. The Department of Justice is investigating inciters of the #DisruptJ20 inauguration rioters. Violent protests caused Trump to cancel a campaign stop in Chicago last year. A riot in Portland; 71 arrested. Protesters attacking police in Indianapolis. Riots in Oakland, where an officer injured and a police cruiser vandalized. Local media report: “All was peaceful.” A “Bernie bro,” James Hodgkinson shot Congressman Scalise and four other Republicans in June.

    Hodgkinson’s rhetoric was extreme and the violence that followed was the natural endpoint. The shooter wrote on Facebook “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.” and “Republicans are the Taliban of the USA.” Notably, the national media did not demand Democrat lawmakers one-by-one disavow Hodgkinson and his message.

    Imagine the logic (or lack thereof) that the professional protesters go through: Donald Trump, Republicans, business owners, et al are literal Nazis. Ipso facto, any action needed to stop Nazis is justified. There’s no jump of reasoning from that straight to violence.

    The Left has been masterful in creating its own assassination pornography. Much of it was done under a fig leaf of “art,” like the 2006 Bush-killing polemic “Death of a President.” A crazed left-winger broke into Nevada Senator Dean Heller’s office and threatened to kill him. Twitter fanatics openly salivated over Scalise’s shooting, with the most scorching of hot takes bandied about the internet:”


  8. And yet college’s keep signing up folks for these majors knowing full well they’re saddling students with debt for a degree that in the end won’t even pay back the loans. Just like housing, there’s a bubble, and it will burst.


    “If you want to pick a major that pays big, consider the STEM fields — science, technology, engineering and math. According to a new study by The Cashlorette, people who majored in STEM subjects earned the most and had the best employment opportunities. All of the top ten most valuable degrees were granted to STEM majors, and and four out of the top five most valuable majors were in the engineering field.”

    “On the opposite end of the spectrum is clinical psychology, which came in as the least valuable college major. In addition, clinical psychologists have a high unemployment rate of around 8% and make a median salary of $43,092, about 31% less than the average.

    Popular majors such as business, history, liberal arts, and English were lower down on the list. Careers in the arts and humanities landed in the bottom five. The least lucrative majors: Studio and fine art, human services and community building, and composition and rhetoric, or the study of speaking and writing—all in the bottom five.”


  9. You would think that if these men were the right wing terrorists the Obama admin made them out to be, a conviction wouldn’t be a problem. And yet…….


    “For the second time, a jury refused to convict participants in the Bundy ranch standoff in 2014.

    Tuesday, not only did a jury find Ricky Lovelien and Steven Stewart not guilty, but they were acquitted of all charges. Scott Drexler and Eric Parker were also found not guilty on most charges. They were accused of threatening and assaulting federal agents in the cattle roundup that turned into a states’ rights battle.

    From the Las Vegas Sun:

    In a stunning setback to federal prosecutors planning to try the Bundy family patriarch and two adult sons later this year, the jury acquitted Ricky Lovelien and Steven Stewart of all 10 charges, and delivered not-guilty findings on most charges against Scott Drexler and Eric Parker.

    More than 30 defendants’ supporters in the courtroom broke into applause after Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro ordered Lovelien and Stewart freed immediately and set Wednesday morning hearings to decide if Parker and Drexler should remain jailed pending a government decision whether to seek a third trial.

    “Random people off the streets, these jurors, they told the government again that we’re not going to put up with tyranny,” said a John Lamb, a Montana resident who attended almost all the five weeks of trial, which began with jury selection July 10.

    “They’ve been tried twice and found not guilty,” Bundy family matriarch Carol Bundy said outside court. “We the people are not guilty.”

    A trial held earlier this year rendered a similar verdict:”

    Maybe these aren’t the right wing terrorists the media and Obama were searching so desperately for…..


  10. Less popular than Putin.

    Oooooouuuuch…………. That has to sting.


    “Nine percent. This same poll from PPP has Vladimir Putin’s favorable rating among Americans at 11 percent. McConnell’s less popular than Putin, than war, than famine — than even a Republican health-care bill.

    This makes three gruesome polls for McConnell in as many days. A poll of Kentucky published Monday, also by PPP, had him at 18 percent in his home state. A survey conducted by former Trump campaign pollster Tony Fabrizio released yesterday put him at 27/44 nationally, down 25 net points since June. Now here’s PPP with a new national number so unspeakably awful it can’t possibly be accurate. Can it?”


  11. Don’t look directly at the eclipse. Or buy their phony excuse.:)


    “Jazz wrote about it earlier, I know, but it warrants another post. Do you realize what you’re witnessing here? In a PC age, this shines as one of the single stupidest examples of political correctness we’re ever likely to see. It’s so fantastically stupid that the consensus among even ESPN-skeptic conservatives last night on Twitter when the news first broke was that it was a hoax, and that the statement from the network confirming the story at Clay Travis’s Outkick The Coverage site was either a prank that had fooled Travis or was written by Travis himself. Not until a Washington Post reporter received the same statement from ESPN did people begin to believe they had actually done this. It’s the “sensitivity” equivalent of a solar eclipse, rare and wondrous in its majesty. Partial PC eclipses happen all the time but few achieve totality. Don’t look directly at this one or it’ll blind you.”

    “Supposedly Lee gave in … “eventually.” The least the network could have done for him would have been to say “He fought us all the way on this.” Instead they made him complicit in idiocy to cover their own tracks. He should change his name to Stone Walljackson out of spite and demand to cover only SEC games from now on.”


  12. Ricky — just like corporate led globalization is a race to the bottom in terms of wages and labour conditions so is it a race to the lowest common denominator culturally.

    AJ, you still at it? Anecdotal evidence aside the stats state it simply; there is more incidence of right wing violence. I will easily admit that left wing violence has increased since January. I wonder if this is a pattern — violence increases when an opponent is elected. Or perhaps the left is learning from the right and has decided violence is an acceptable response to losing an election.

    The Bundy incident is an example of the difference between right and left political expression of opposition. The Bundy’s were upset with land rights and grazing fees etc and responded by pointing semi automatics at law enforcement. The left upset with land use and pipelines through local drinking water responded with non-violent resistance. Its instructive which demonstration suffered the most police violence. The Bundy’s blocked roads but no complaints. The left blocked roads in North Dakota and Republican legislators are debating reducing the liability for people who run over protesters. The left notices the discrepancy.

    The actual trial and results are beside the point — its jury nullification. But one wonders about rule of law and the embrace of lawlessness.

    But we can all agree that ESPN deserves ridicule. I initially thought it was satire that some poor saps on the right took seriously but no ESPN actually switched broadcasters. Besides, does anyone actually think the antifa watch college football??


  13. Btw, thanks for the reminder of job prospects as my daughter starts art school. She is going to OCADU a small public university that specializes only in art. With scholarships, govt grants and a little help from dad she should emerge debt free. However, I’m not downsizing my living arrangements any time soon.

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  14. Let’s unpack this, shall we?

    “The Bundy incident is an example of the difference between right and left political expression of opposition. The Bundy’s were upset with land rights and grazing fees etc and responded by pointing semi automatics at law enforcement.”

    They never clashed with police until the end, although armed, they weren’t violent and in the end, many were arrested, and one was shot by authorities after they opened fire on several.


    “The left upset with land use and pipelines through local drinking water responded with non-violent resistance. Its instructive which demonstration suffered the most police violence. ”

    Non-violence? I don’t think that word means what you think it does.

    Note this on 2 different occasions in Oct. and Nov.



    Tell me again who the violent ones were? Maybe that’s why the response was somewhat different.

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  15. “the stats state it simply; there is more incidence of right wing violence”

    Not in any data you’ve supplied here.

    Yesterday, you said,

    “The right needs to take responsibility for an ideology which leads to violence,” and , “Given the driver and alleged murderer was a registered Republican, Republicans should unequivocally disassociated themselves from the ideology not say some were fine people.”

    Please answer, if you want:

    1. Which ideology?
    2. How does that ideology lead to violence?
    3. What would a Republican “disassociat[ing] himself from the ideology” look like?
    4. What Republicans have said the driver or any Nazi was a fine person?

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  16. Relieving an admiral IS a big deal. Two days of stand down to review IS a big deal. Both, obviously, are long overdue. I haven’t had time to ask my local Navy guy about spoofing.

    Not all STEM major are created equal, alas. HRW, make sure she learns a little computer coding and can work as a graphic artist. And yes, keep that bedroom open.

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  17. The Bundy incident I refer to is in Nevada. The only thing that prevented outright violence is the restraint shown by the police.

    However, in North Dakota, when dealing with unarmed demonstrations, the police showed little restraint and responded to unarmed demonstrators with violence. The gun shot referred to in the first link which the police used to justify mass violence was later shown to be a Native women using a prayer stick — apparently a cop panic and thought it was a gun.

    A conclusion easily reached is that if you protest heavily armed (and are white) the police will show deference, the federal gov’t will back down, and you won’t suffer any consequences.

    Take my comments about Republicans and right wing ideology and substitute Muslims and Islam and you might understand my real point in that paragraph.


  18. Michelle — I keep trying to point her into the direction of graphic art, advertising, etc but she’s really old school — – record player, film camera, etc.

    When everything else fails, she can fall back on her French skills (she was in the high school immersion program and is almost fluent), take a few university courses, and teach French and art. A fairly good career and there’s always a demand for French teachers.

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  19. Solar @5:31, I was in Atlanta today, and on the way home I listened to an NPR segment interviewing a representative of the ADL. They were asking his opinion and assessments about every thing from AntiFa to Oath Keepers and Charlottesville. He was so obviously slanted toward AntiFa (who he acknowledged had targeted Trump) and against right-leaning groups of all kinds. I have come to a conclusion: I’ve been giving waaaaay too much credit to critics of right-leaning groups. These guys are just full of twisted propaganda. They are owed nothing—no apologies, no explanations.

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  20. And here’s a little something from Rod Dreher—hopping into the lion’s den of the day: Confederate statues. It’s a longish article and I only captured the end, but he does talk about country music at some length in the first half. :–)

    ….even though modernization and urbanization have mitigated the Southern honor code a great deal, you can still see it in Southerners. He’s absolutely right. I see it in myself, wrestling with what to think about the Confederate statues. The North’s cause was right, but even if I knew nothing of the history, I can feel in my bones the mandate to fight on the side of one’s people. Robert E. Lee embodies the tragedy of the American South: he was the best military man in America — remember that Lincoln offered him command of the Union Army — and wanted to keep the Union together. But his sense of honor directed him to violate his own conscience and stand loyally with his own people — defined by him as the people of Virginia.

    A Northerner sees him as a traitor and a warrior for slavery. Yes, some no-count Southerners would see Lee as a warlord for white supremacy, and cherish him for that. But more thoughtful Southerners see him as a tragic figure: a good man who fought in a bad, doomed cause, from a sense of loyalty to his people. Moreover, this makes sense to us, because we see it in our own lives and families all the time, in all kinds of ways. It’s why we’re such good storytellers — and songwriters. We have a tacit understanding of the ways human beings fail, despite themselves. Until the day I die, I will meditate upon my own family’s story, and how my late father and my late sister, two of the most morally decent and worthy people I have ever known, set out to protect the legacy of family and place, but chose to do it in an honor-obsessed way that ended up destroying it.

    Every family has a story like that somewhere. Robert E. Lee? Hell, that’s my own father’s story. He was a good man whose fierce dedication to family and place, and sense of honor, led him to pursue a strategy that cost him the thing he treasured most of all. Even though I suffered personally from his tragic arc, it doesn’t make me feel hard towards him, not at all. It makes me ache for him, because I know he would not have wanted it this way, but he could not see what he was doing. Same with my late sister. They could have been me. It might yet be me one day, because men are frail, men are blind, the heart is deceitful above all things … and life is tragic.

    Northerners think they’ve found us out when they point out that we are the most religiously observant region of the country, but also the most morally unruly (to put it delicately). “Hypocrites!” they say. We just shrug. We see no contradiction there. The distance between our ideals and our behavior, and all the contradictions within that space, is the truth of our lives. Often it’s our shame, and sometimes it’s our honor, but we are strings anchored tautly together across that valley of human experience. The collision of time and fate with those strings strikes what Lincoln called in another context “the mystic chords of memory,” and the music it makes can break your heart, just like Malcolm Gladwell said.

    The point I wish to make here is that even though Northern iconoclasts are morally and historically correct to judge the Confederate cause wicked, they would do well to understand that the fact that we white Southerners feel a visceral sense of piety towards our ancestors does not mean that we hold them blameless. They would also do well to understand that they are asking us to despise our family and our homeland to prove to them that we are morally acceptable.

    That’s not going to happen.

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  21. Yes, Debra @ 7:26. As we’ve seen in this very thread, the ideology of folks of that ilk are not interested in any interpretation of anything that doesn’t *fit* their ideology. Of course, at the same time, that’s what they accuse “right wingers” and Christians of doing all the time.

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  22. I arrived home from work and Greer Garson is still on TCM. Now she is Madame Curie. My wife lamented that she had failed to record Random Harvest. We’ll catch it next time.

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  23. Ricky @8:35 I don’t know much about Kelly, but he seems competent enough. I’m wondering if his influence has been significant in our new Afghanistan policy. I’m assuming he’s a war hawk which would be fine if we just must be at war. But I thought the whole attraction of a Trump presidency was less war, more economic development…. :–/


  24. Every once in a while I miss not having TMC, and the Hallmark channel….although, dare I say it, yes I believe I will, some of those movies are sappier than an entire Vermont sugarwood. But enjoy anyway. :–)

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  25. Debra, From everything I have read, Kelly is currently focused fully on competence, not ideology. I think that McMaster and Mattis are more ideological at this point. It is also important to remember that McMaster and Kelly were reformers within the military who were famous for questioning traditional strategies and tactics.

    I share your (and Trump’s) skepticism about the uber-aggressive Neo-conservative foreign policy of Little Bush. I welcome Trump’s agressive questioning of neo-conservative proposals. However, it may be helpful for McMaster and Mattis to keep Trump from changing policies too quickly. We need to project a little stability to the rest of the world.

    On the economic front, we are very near to “full employment”. The only way for the economy to grow is to bring in productive foreigners or persuade Democrats or Trumpkins who have left the workforce to go back to work. A few weeks back, Trump told the unemployed they might need to move to where the jobs are located. He needs to give many more such pep talks. This is probably a good role for him. Trump is a complete illiterate when it comes to economics. However, he could sell ice to Eskimos. He needs to “sell” his people on the advantages of going back to work. The jobs are there. Most businesses I pass each day have “Help Wanted” signs.

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  26. Another present for DJ. For those of you who have never seen the raw results of a political poll, it is from 500-1000 pages of raw and summarized data. There are usually 20-30 questions and the answers are broken down by many demographics (age, gender, region, religion, race, marital status, income, etc.) When experts get the data, they dive into the results like grizzly bears after salmon and then have discussions like this:


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  27. Ricky,

    Reality is a cruel master. Trudeau is learning that, and his rhetoric on the subject of immigrants has changed from we’ll take them to something a little more measured.


    “Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has a message for asylum seekers: crossing illegally into the country doesn’t offer an advantage when it comes to obtaining refugee status in Canada.

    “If I could directly speak to people seeking asylum, I’d like to remind them there’s no advantage,” Trudeau said at a news conference Sunday in Montreal.

    “Our rules, our principles and our laws apply to everyone.”

    Trudeau’s comments come as the government grapples with a surge in asylum seekers crossing into Quebec.

    In the first two weeks of August, more than 3,800 people walked over the border into the province, compared to the 2,996 who crossed throughout all of July.

    Speaking prior to Montreal’s Pride Parade, Trudeau stressed that anyone seeking refugee status will have to go through Canada’s “rigorous” screening process.”

    “Conservative immigration critic Michelle Rempel said Trudeau is downplaying the urgent need to deal with the surge in people crossing the border.

    “They knew it was going to be a problem this summer. And their response has been building tent cities on the U.S./Canada border,” she said in an interview with CBC News.

    In January, Trudeau tweeted: “To those fleeing persecution, terror and war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength.”

    Rempel said Trudeau’s statement was misleading and said he should make it more explicit that asylum seekers risk being deported to their country of origin if they enter Canada illegally.”


  28. Ricky — I favour revoking the safe third country agreement with the US. Essentially this means, people can claim refugee status at the Canadian border. I would also like to see some system in place whereas people could claim refugee status while remaining in the US. Currently support for refugees from the US is 50-50. I think some of the opposition comes from the idea that those crossing the border are “jumping the line” and “breaking the rules”. Canadians like people to line up and follow rules. If procedures were in place so that the line was respected and rules were followed, there would be more support; probably about 70-65 for vs 30-35 against.

    Its amusing to hear Trump brag about the economy — there has been about 6 years of economic growth and lower unemployment.

    His Afghanistan speech appears to point to a Little Bush strategy (not that Obama was much different).

    It also appears Trump is continuing his private business success in bankrupting whatever he is in charge. Apparently, his family expenses and time at the various golf courses has emptied the Secret Service budget


  29. Solar — we all have logs and specks in our eyes that distort our perception – or metaphoric glasses which may gave us myopic vision. I know I have a soft spot for the antifa — they do fight Nazis. The question we need to ask ourselves when we watch the world — is does our glasses distort our reality or help our vision. Everyone needs to do that before they reach conclusions.

    AJ — I interpret Trudeau’s words to mean walking across the border and claiming refugee status will not speed up your application nor will it exempt you from the rules. As I just commented, its the need to follow rules and wait your place in line which concerns most Canadians and Trudeau is simply acknowledging this. He knows that to make his policy acceptable to the majority he needs to make sure these concerns are addressed.


  30. 1. white supremacism, neo-nazism etc
    2. I think that’s obvious
    3. not use the words “but” “both sides” “fine people”
    4. Trump said there was “fine people” among the Nazis — when you see a Nazi flag and you don’t leave, you’re not a fine person.


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