30 thoughts on “News/Politics 8-15-17

  1. Funny. 200 people indicted for rioting, yet this riot doesn’t seem to be drawing as much attention in the press, for obvious reasons.


    “The Department of Justice has requested information on visitors to a website used to organize protests against President Trump, the Los Angeles-based Dreamhost said in a blog post published on Monday.

    Dreamhost, a web hosting provider, said that it has been working with the Department of Justice for several months on the request, which believes goes too far under the Constitution.

    DreamHost claimed that the complying with the request from the Justice Department would amount to handing over roughly 1.3 million visitor IP addresses to the government, in addition to contact information, email content and photos of thousands of visitors to the website, which was involved in organizing protests against Trump on Inauguration Day.

    “That information could be used to identify any individuals who used this site to exercise and express political speech protected under the Constitution’s First Amendment,” DreamHost wrote in the blog post on Monday. “That should be enough to set alarm bells off in anyone’s mind.””

    “The warrant, dated July 12, says that authorities will seize any information constituting violations of D.C. code governing riots that involve individuals connected to the protests on Inauguration Day.

    More than 200 people were indicted on felony rioting charges in connection with the protests in Washington on Jan. 20. “


  2. Here’s an excellent article by Rod Dreher on the danger of identity politics on the right and left. As is often the case, I think he pretty much nails it squarely.

    Charlottesville is the kind of America that identity politics is calling into being. It’s time for straight talk about that.

    On the Right, the story is fairly straightforward. Neo-Nazis, white nationalists, and their ilk have to be condemned in no uncertain terms, and marginalized. The president’s coy rhetoric, dancing around these people for fear of alienating them, has to end. (I don’t expect it to end, but others on the Right need to speak up to condemn him.)

    It is not enough for conservative politicians and thought leaders to condemn these incidents. In their rhetoric, they need to start criticizing the principles of identity politics, across the board. They should emphasize what unites us as Americans. And this: pastors and other leaders within the church have to start teaching clearly and directly on this front. More than that, they have to recognize that racial tribalism is a strong god — a false one, but a strong one. The mild, therapeutic God that they preach, teach, and proclaim is weak in the face of it. Don’t misunderstand: I’m not talking about the actual God of the Bible. I’m talking about the way our priests, pastors, religious teachers, and families present Him to their flocks — especially their young men…..

    Finally, we on the Right have to start speaking out without fear against identity politics — and calling out people on the Left, especially those within institutions, for practicing it. The alt-right has correctly identified a hypocritical double standard in American culture. It’s one that allows liberals and their favored minority groups to practice toxic identity politics — on campus, in the media, in corporate America, on the streets — while denying the possibility to whites and males. By speaking out against left-wing identity politics, and by explaining, over and over, why identity politics are wrong and destructive, conservatives strengthen their position in chastising white nationalists on the Right.

    …. The problem is not pointing out perceived injustices and inequities that afflict people of particular groups. This is a normal part of politics. The problem is in teaching people to identify passionately and wholly with their own tribe, to think of themselves and others in their tribe as innocent victims of the Enemy, and to conflate the interest of their tribe with the common good…..


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  3. “Helen Mirren isn’t a fan of the current presidential administration, and she recently spoke out against the women in President Trump’s life.”

    Who is this Helen Miren?
    The second question follows.
    Why should I care what she thinks about anybody?

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  4. Today is Primary Election in Alabama. Luther Strange (with a name like that????) is spending big money on ads. The ones posted on Facebook are priceless. All the comments are from people like me who say they aren’t voting for him and that he is a crook covered in scandal.
    Roy Moore, yes, that Roy Moore is the other big contender. I am not planning to vote for either of them…I am voting.

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  5. Speaking of North Korea, this Canadian pastor, who was arrested while on an outreach in NK and accused of trying to overthrow tjheNK government and sentenced to death which was commuted to hard labour, was released after Canada sent a special envoy to NK on August 7: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/08/13/i-ate-2757-meals-in-isolation-hyeon-soo-lims-address-to-his-church-after-more-than-2-years-in-north-korean-prison.html

    While I was laboring, I prayed without ceasing. I will share more details with you later.
    There were many difficult moments but it was during these times that God gave me the strength endure and persevere. There were moments of discouragement, resentment, and grumbling but that soon changed into courage, joy, and thanksgiving. I learned to fully accept all of this as a form of God’s love and discipline to make me stronger. By God’s perfect and sovereign timing, I was released, returned home and here with you today.

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  6. Appreciate Dreher always.

    I found this comment in the column above interesting:


    ” … And this: pastors and other leaders within the church have to start teaching clearly and directly on this front. More than that, they have to recognize that racial tribalism is a strong god — a false one, but a strong one. The mild, therapeutic God that they preach, teach, and proclaim is weak in the face of it. Don’t misunderstand: I’m not talking about the actual God of the Bible. I’m talking about the way our priests, pastors, religious teachers, and families present Him to their flocks — especially their young men…..”

    In the case of churches that DO preach the God of the Bible, however, faithfully presenting the law and the gospel, week after week, pretty much covers it all without having to make political comments from the pulpit, at least anything beyond the brief or obvious or perfunctory asides that a pastor may feel need to be more blatantly stated in rare cases.

    Politics from the pulpit began in the liberal churches for the most part — at least in terms of our recent era, which I would stay began with the ’60s and Vietnam, Civil Rights, etc. Conservative churches were late to that party but jumped in with both feet.

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  7. Expect this movement to pick up steam given recent events. Protesters are already tearing ’em down, history be damned.


    “Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams called for the removal of the giant carving that depicts three Confederate war leaders on the face of state-owned Stone Mountain, saying it “remains a blight on our state and should be removed.”

    “We must never celebrate those who defended slavery and tried to destroy the union,” Abrams said in a series of tweets posted early Tuesday, a response to the deadly violence sparked by white supremacist groups in Charlottesville, Va.

    Removing the faces of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson would take a monster of a sandblaster and require a change in state law. The Georgia code has a clear mandate for the memorial, saying it should be “preserved and protected for all time as a tribute to the bravery and heroism of the citizens of this state who suffered and died in their cause.””


    “Efforts to remove the Charlottesville and Alexandria statues are tied up in the courts and state legislature, but other Confederate monuments and symbols have been coming down as the United States confronts its complicated racial legacy.

    Demonstrators in the North Carolina city of Durham took matters into their own hands on Monday and pulled down a statue of a Confederate soldier that had been erected outside the old county courthouse in 1924.

    In Gainesville, Florida, a Confederate statue known as “Old Joe” that had been standing outside a county building since 1904 was taken down Monday and carted away to a private cemetery.

    On Saturday, the same day as the bloodshed in Charlottesville, the mayor of Lexington, Kentucky announced plans to relocate two Confederate statues.

    “The Civil War was a dark and tragic time in our nation’s history and yes, we need to remember it,” Mayor Jim Gray said. “But we also need to explain it accurately and truthfully.”

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  8. For once I’m forced to give a Never-Trumper some points for originality. But not many. 🙂


    “Aside from the deeper examination of racism in America (which I discussed earlier this morning) we are currently witnessing a political sideshow involving the President which lends a rather circus-like atmosphere to what would otherwise be a very serious debate. It all has to do with the how, when and why of President Trump’s “official response” to the mayhem in Charlottesville. Sadly, you could see it coming from a mile away, but Trump walked into the trap like a political novice. Here’s roughly how the game played out, very much by design.


    Media: You need to denounce the racism and violence in Virginia!
    Trump: I denounce racism, hatred and violence of all kinds.
    Media: Not good enough! You need to specifically call out white supremacists, the KKK and the Nazis!


    Trump: Okay. I denounce the white supremacists, the KKK and the Nazis.
    Media: Not good enough! You waited too long! You only did it because we were criticizing you for not doing it!
    Trump: [Tears up remarks and goes back to golf course]

    All of this has given Trump’s most virulent critics plenty of fodder to pass the time until Congress is back in session and something new actually happens. Primarily it’s a speculative game of suggesting precisely why it “took so long” for the President to specifically call out the Klan and the neo-nazis. The suggestion here, of course, is that Trump is secretly a huge racist and fan of these organizations so he had to be prodded into action. (Trump needs to denounce the entire “nationalist wing!”) In a more sane world you would be amazed if anyone could denounce the actions of those groups without noting that Steve Scalise is still facing years or rehab or recalling the bloody beatdowns which took place at Berkeley and other protest sites. But I suppose the President is held to a higher standard, despite the fact that this sort of partisan equivocation (well your side does it too!) goes on all the time.

    So is Trump a secret racist? There’s an alternate theory out today from conservative radio host Michael Graham, writing at the Boston Herald. And keep in mind that Michael has been, from the day Trump first came riding down that golden escalator, such a consistent and enthusiastic opponent of anything to do with Donald Trump that he makes most of the original NeverTrumpers look like weak-kneed apologists. Put on your tinfoil hats and check those safety belts because here comes a new idea. Trump’s not really a racist, antisemite or what-have-you, but he thinks that’s what conservatives want him to be so he’s just faking it!”

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  9. Erasing our history is bad. Think of the historic monuments the Taliban has destroyed. These would be symbols for future generations to study.
    My prediction is that we will repeat our history because of this.

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  10. Dreher doesn’t appear to recognize that the Church of God is distinct from a secular and temporal political side. His way of speaking of Right and Left is as much identity politics as what he is attacking. My conclusion of the weekend conversation, that in most political discussions, both sides use the exact same arguments applies to Dreher’s post.

    DJ, preaching the Word of God includes the unequivocal condemnation of not only sin, but also hypocrisy. A wise elder will call out the particular problems to which his congregation is prone – a practice started by the apostles. Dreher, though he all too quickly and comfortably moves from the post in the Church’s eye to the speck in his political opponents eyes, is right that the god of racial tribalism is a powerful one. To see that, one need look no further than the early church and the book of Galatians. When Peter decided he would rather identify with the Jewish Christians who still observed the ceremonial law, at the expense of the Gentile Christians, Paul did not mince words; and then took it up an notch when shutting down those who claimed that in order to be a real Christian, one should be circumcised. Christ, after all, set the tone for dealing with hypocrisy among the religious establishment.


  11. Kim, isn’t it true that these are memorials built after the fact, rather than actual historical artifacts? I don’t think anyone is suggesting destroying museum pieces like old uniforms or weapons or letters from soldiers or even war graves. I would suggest if a mere historical symbol takes on a new and idolatrous meaning – and that has been done by white supremacists and neo-Nazis who made the monuments a rallying point – then perhaps it is time to remove it. Exhibit A: Hezekiah and Moses’ bronze serpent:”He broke into pieces the bronze snake that Moses made, for the Israelites burned incense to it up to that time.” (II Kings 8:4)


  12. kIm @ 2:38
    It isn’t about erasing history. It’s another issue. If it weren’t statues, it would be something else. And will be when the statues are gone.
    There’s no end to it.
    It started with legitimate issues, like service at a restaurant. Equal opportunity for education and employment. Which has come to a disadvantage in some areas for non minorities.
    e.g. A minority will have preference in enrolling in a Southern school over a non minority with equal qualifications.

    Thing is the issue. Like labor unions. They were necessary to remedy terrible working conditions. But when they were successful, they have to create other issues, (health insurance, vacations, maternity leave) to keep the pot boiling.

    There always has to be an issue.

    Minorities have the same opportunity anyone else has in America. What they do with it is another matter. And not my fault.

    But somebody has a mission in life to stir up dissention, wherever it may be. As the opportunity arises or can be created.

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  13. Phos: ” would suggest if a mere historical symbol takes on a new and idolatrous meaning … then perhaps it is time to remove it. ”
    It doesn’t have anything to do with Moses and Hezekiah. A statue of Robert E. Lee has stood unmolested and un -molesting fort decades. Somebody saw a chance to stir up trouble and a cowardice bunch of administrators thought they could avoid trouble by removing the statue. With the statue gone, they will find another statue.
    The name of Washington and Lee University will be next.

    It made no sense at all.
    I attended Ben Tillman elementary school in North Charleston, SC. What will they do about that?

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  14. The sesame principle applied to Obomacare. It was an issue Republicans loved. For seven years they could lash out at Obomacare and people would follow them to the polls.
    But now it’s in their hands and they don’t know what to do.
    They have exempted themselves from it’s provisions.

    Did you know that? Congress and their workers are exempted from the provisions of Obomacare.
    With Obomacare gone, what can we run on?

    If you solve the problem, the problem is gone and we don’t need you anymore.


  15. Looks like the communist/ACORN group WWP is responsible for the confederate statue vandalism, and will be pursued for their crimes. Good.


    “Sheriff Mike Andrews said Tuesday his office will pursue felony charge against those who toppled a statue of a Confederate soldier in downtown Durham Monday night.

    “Let me be clear, no one is getting away with what happened,” he said.

    The protest left The Confederate Soldiers Monument, dedicated on May 10, 1924, headless on the ground.

    Meanwhile, activists have called a press conference at 4 p.m. Tuesday to demand all potential charges be dropped and that Gov. Roy Cooper call for immediate removal of all Confederate statues across the state.

    The group also demands Durham city and county leaders attend “mass public forums to allow the community to speak-out about their concerns for public display of Confederate statues.”

    “The people decided to take matters into our own hands and remove the statue,” Takiyah Thompson, member of Workers World Party and student at N.C. Central University, said in a news release. “We are tired of waiting on politicians who could have voted to remove the white supremacist statues years ago, but they failed to act. So we acted.””

    Note the signs and shirts the offenders are wearing. I stand against bigotry, racism, and the Klan. But I won’t stand with these folks. They’re just as bad.

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  16. Stating the obvious truth, and taking flack for it. Again, there’s more than one responsible party.


    “President Trump’s planned infrastructure announcement unraveled into chaos as he all but erased any credit he got on Monday for condemning white supremacists for the deadly confrontation in Charlottesville, Va.

    Trump said it was “a horrible day” but said several times that counter-protesters were not getting enough scrutiny for their role in the confrontation and emphasized his belief that many of the protesters who joined with white nationalists were innocent.

    “What about the ‘alt-left’ that came charging at, as you say, the ‘alt-right’? Do they have any semblance of guilt?” Trump said. “They came charging with clubs in their hands,” he said of the counter-protesters.

    Trump effectively reopened the debate, despite insistence from politicians in both parties that white supremacists and other racists deserved to be singled out.

    “You had a group on one side that was mad, and you had a group on the other side that was violent. Nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say that,” he said.”

    And someone should, because the press obviously won’t. They’ve taken a side.

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  17. Trump is going to get fried for what he said in the press conference today. However, I believe he was very honest and very courageous. He may not have been 100% accurate, but he earned a lot of respect from me today.

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  18. Did those groups use those statues for there own symbolism before others wanted to remove them?

    We have a tendency to see people as black and white and absolutely stopped in a moment of life. People are not like that. Those in the confederacy are not one dimensional people. We all know WE are not. We know we have grown, evolved, matured and held different views in our lives. We should have the wisdom and grace to do the same for others.

    Do all statues in the South need to be taken down? Where does it end? Does Mt. Rushmore have to come down? Don’t all those on the mountain have something wrong in their lives?

    Society also changes and statues may be changed by a clear consensus, but this seems quite different.

    I wish all this time, energy and money were actually put into good deeds. (on both sides)

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  19. I watched part of the video, couldn’t watch it beyond a certain point. Shades of Baghdad & the U.S. in the late 1960s, it was all familiar enough. Turning the heat up a few notches, what will come next?

    Deher on the statue takedown:

    Mob Rule In Durham
    By ROD DREHER • August 15, 2017, 8:24 AM



    … What an appalling scene — even if you think that Confederate statues should come down. Why was it appalling? Because this is how the rule of law ends: in the violent frenzy of mob action.

    This is the ultimate end of identity politics of all kinds. You cannot reason with it. It grounds Truth in identity — in race, in ethnicity, in religion, in sex, and so forth. Its lethal alchemy turns people into arguments, or rather, assertions masquerading as arguments. You cannot argue with an identity politics zealot, because to deny their assertion is to deny their personhood. In turn, you aren’t simply wrong when you disagree with those zealots; you are a threat to their existence. Having depersonalized you, they owe you no respect. The higher cause of asserting and affirming their identity excuses everything.

    Again: this is how the rule of law ends, and law is replaced by will to power. An angry mob, no matter what it stands for, is always the enemy of the truth. …

    … This is a very big deal. You want to see far-right white mobs descending upon civil rights monuments, desecrating them and even tearing them down? That mob in Durham has just laid the groundwork for it. And when the white nationalist mob comes in with clubs swinging, to what is this left-wing mob going to appeal for protection, having defied the same law that protects them and public monuments in their zeal to destroy what offends them? …

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  20. Here is where the press in unfair and we have to adjust our behavior accordingly:
    1. If Civil rights groups mix with violent Antifa activists, the press will call them all counter-protesters.
    2. If Heritage Preservationists mix with white supremacists or white nationalists, they are going to all be called white nationalists or Neo-Nazis.

    I really don’t know if there were many Sons of Confederate Veterans types in Charlottesville. I think they know to stay away from the Alt-Right. Nevertheless, Trump told some truths today about the violence (and how it started) that no one else was saying.

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  21. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/a-monument-falls-in-durham.php

    … I have no problem with removing monuments to Confederate generals and soldiers if that’s what the public wants. The monuments were erected because those in control of the political process at the time considered them worthy of the honor. If those now in control of the political process consider them dishonorable or evil, there’s nothing wrong with removing the monuments.

    But there is plenty wrong with a group of activists pulling down monuments. By doing so, they usurp the power to decide who should be honored with a statue.

    They also violate the law. The police shouldn’t stand by and watch, as they did in Durham. They should protect town property and break up any mob that can’t resist attacking it….

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