81 thoughts on “News/Politics 1-12-17

  1. An article that deals with trade and US unemployment. It turns out that everything the US government does trying to help the unemployed makes things worse. It also turns out that the two things the unemployed need most to do are:

    1.Move to a place where there are jobs.

    2. Look for work.

    I think that is what those Indian and Filipino immigrants I am always talking about have already learned.


  2. As predicted earlier, As the US pulls out of the TPP, China is stepping up to become the world leader on trade which means it is set to become the world’s leading nation. Watch for China’s ties in Asia and Latin America to grow.

    I really think this may be a good thing. After decades of doing a relatively good job, in recent years the US has spread tree-hugging, radical feminism and perversion around the world. We will see what China promotes and spreads around the world. It may be a work ethic.


  3. Ricky, that would assume that those who need work have (1) money to move and (2) job skills that those already settled in the new home don’t have. It isn’t always that simple.

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  4. No, Cheryl. The immigrants have figured it out. If there are jobs in an area, that means there aren’t enough locals to fill those jobs.

    So how come the immigrants can save, borrow or otherwise get the money to move from Bombay, Capetown or Manila to Fort Worth, but our people can’t get here from Michigan or New York? The Okies managed to get to California in the 1930s. Not that I am complaining. We like our Indians, Filipinos and South Africans just fine.


  5. It was reported last night at 9pm that Director of National Intelligence Clapper called Trump and told him that the information being reported by CNN did not originate from any intelligence agency. He supposedly apologized to Trump for the false info that was being reported as fact. It is no wonder why Trump called out CNN for putting out fake news.


  6. Speaking of “money to move”, back when significant numbers of Mexicans were actually entering Texas illegally, they would scrape together hundreds of dollars to pay a “Coyote” to help them get across the border, then walk across a desert carrying as much water as they could. On the other hand we still have very cheap bus service between DFW and the Rust Belt.
    Sadly, in our desire to help people we have created a huge number of dependent people.


  7. A good open letter to Meryl Streep: http://theaquilareport.com/cry-dark-dear-meryl/

    Ricky, yes, immigrants can save for years for a chance to come to America . . . but that is truly an apples-to-oranges comparison. In many areas of the world, one lives in extreme poverty BUT without daily living expenses. For instance, in an area where residents build their own houses (and don’t pay property taxes) and grow their own food, a diligent person might get hold of two or three chickens and protect those chickens as if they were gold, and build up a small flock, and eventually have eggs to sell to make money. Determined to get to America, that egg money is saved or invested, never spent. When the person manages to come to America, he lives with family members in a house very crowded by American standards, with people who already have jobs and might be able to help him into the family business.

    Compare that to the person I was in fact imagining. She’s a girl in inner-city Chicago who has never had anything “go right” in her life. She’s physically unattractive, with a physical deformity; she grew up in inner city Chicago so she is poorly educated; her family isn’t all that supportive of her, and they have no money anyway; by 21 she was divorced because her father-in-law believed his son should have gone to college before marrying, and did not support the marriage in any way, and the young husband didn’t work on being married. Whatever money she might scrounge from part-time jobs isn’t enough to pay for rent and food, and she cannot live with her mother because her stepfather attempted sexual moves on her. She might get out of Chicago (and in fact she eventually did), but she isn’t going to be a prime candidate for an employee much of anywhere.

    Any place I have ever lived has had “jobs” available. But that’s a different matter entirely from saying that there are more jobs than there are people to fill them. Let’s say a town has ten jobs needing to be filled; there might well be fifty locals vying for those jobs. A big advantage will go to the locals, not to a person just moving into town. And where is that person supposed to live, if an apartment requires a month’s rent and another month of deposit? What about transportation to work, clothes that are good enough for work?

    It is very hard to be poor in this country. You cannot simply build a house and plant a garden; you can’t hunt your own meat (a hunting license isn’t cheap anymore, and doesn’t offer unlimited game). Most jobs require education, and transportation to work nearly always costs money. Work clothes must be free of spots or holes, generally shouldn’t be the same as the set you wore yesterday, and you must wear shoes. And not everyone has the physical strength required for the jobs your non-lazy immigrant friends are willing to do. My young friend does not, because of real physical limitations.

    Let’s say a kid makes his way out of the South Side of Chicago. He’s barely literate, has no money and no job skills, limited interpersonal skills, and besides that he’s missing quite a few teeth from growing up in severe poverty. He’s a black male. (People think of black men as dangerous and as criminals, and with job quotas if you hire a “safer” black woman you get credit for a minority AND a woman.) Worse, maybe he does have a criminal history–most companies won’t hire a person with a felony on their record, no matter how many years of clean living and even a full job history they may have since then.

    It’s easy to say that if a person doesn’t have work, that means the person is lazy–but real life is quite often nowhere near that simple.

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  8. Ricky, and you know, I assume, that many of those transported by coyotes were robbed and abandoned, many died, and generally the women were all raped as part of their payment for the service? One need not be willing to undergo such risks to prove themselves willing to work.

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  9. Cheryl, My grandfather hitched rides on freight trains to go from one migrant farm job to another. He dropped out of school after the 5th grade to support his family when his father died. None of my wife’s older relatives went past the 9th grade. They didn’t have “job skills”. What they had and still have is a work ethic.

    Every black person in America is given preferential consideration for jobs by all levels of government and all major corporations. We have spent billions bribing corporations to hire poor blacks. Trump may expand welfare and subsidies for poor whites. None of this is a substitute for a work ethic.


  10. Cheryl @ 8:12 You greatly strengthened my point. Look at what Mexicans were willing to do to find work, and Americans can’t afford a bus ticket?


  11. In general I’m not a scofflaw, but I have to hope Sessions won’t get bogged down trying to enforce federal marijuana laws in states that have legalized the drug. If he will focus on interstate and cross-border infractions, we will all be better served I think. Otherwise it could turn into a big distraction. I do agree with his general stance that if we don’t like the law, we should change it…

    If the American people are worrying about Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions’ approach to enforcing federal marijuana laws, he says they should get Congress to change them.

    Sessions, who President-elect Donald Trump has tapped to become U.S. attorney general, answered questions on marijuana among other issues during his confirmation hearing on Tuesday. And Sessions did not offer a definitive stance on what marijuana enforcement would look like under his justice department.


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  12. This is something I did not know. For some reason I had been thinking that VW’s offending vehicles were made in the USA . Apparently not. They were imported from Mexico and Germany.

    The six executives include a former head of development of the Volkswagen brand and the head of engine development. One of those charged on Wednesday, Oliver Schmidt, was arrested in Florida last week; the other five are believed to be in Germany.

    Volkswagen also formally pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and to violate the Clean Air Act, customs violations and obstruction of justice. Many of the 600,000 cars in the United States equipped with emissions-cheating software were imported from Germany or Mexico.

    The automaker is set to pay $4.3 billion in criminal and civil penalties in connection with the federal investigation, bringing the total cost of the deception to Volkswagen in the United States, including settlements of suits by car owners, to $20 billion — one of the costliest corporate scandals in history.


  13. I am sure that many of you have seen the stick figure meme that says “This is Bob. He voted for Trump. This is Bob’s friend Sally. Sally voted for Clintong. Bob and Sally are still friends, because Bob and Sally are both adults. Be like Bob and Sally.
    No the latest ones have the line about Bob and Sally still being friends because they are adults crossed out and it now reads

    Sally feels betrayed by Bob because he voted for someone who: mocked the dsiabled, bullied the media, made racist comments, was accused by many women of sexual assault, degraded and entire religion, and was the candidate endorsed by the KKK. She thinks even if Bob isn’t a racist, ableist, xenophobic, misogynistic sexual predator, he was fine for for one. This distresses her.
    Sally realizes Bob never really shared her values. She believes her life would be better off without someone who places Trumps showmanship over common human decency.
    Sally won’t normalize Trump. Sally refuses to be gaslit.
    Be like Sally.

    It is going to be a lllllloooooonnnnnnggggg 4 years. I told Mr. P that a long time ago I despaired over oral sex being discussed on the nightly news. How were parents supposed to watch the news with their children and discuss current events? Now it is even worse imagine have a 10 or 12 year old and having to explain a golden shower. I can no longer envision ANY family, ANYwhere watching the news together and discussing it. Personally I was a sophomore in college before I heard of golden showers, and only because there was a giant poster with what looked like Aspen leaves stating that is “Wasn’t Safe Sex”, then I had to ask the medical person to explain it to me.

    We have robbed our youth of so much.

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  14. That Americans would even need to migrate around the country on a regular basis is a clear sign of a failing economy. Immigrants are by definition coming from outside and must find employment under the table.

    Illegal immigrants, for the most part, are working people trying to live, I think. Of course, they are the source of much identity theft and that is not a victimless crime. But I still think it is the American citizens who support unlawfully undercutting the domestic labor pool who are really to blame for the ensuing lawlessness. I’m afraid that is only going to increase (the lawlessness, I mean) because we now have law enforcement participation.

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  15. Sanctuary cities are a case in point. I was recently talking to someone who worked for a sanctuary city and I got a very different point of view on the problem. Apparently, when illegals are picked up on suspicion of unrelated crimes, they are not asked about their legal status—and that is for a reason. If they are known to be illegal they are supposed to be held until ICE picks them up.

    The problem is ICE often doesn’t pick them up, because ICE figures they are off the streets and are the budgetary problem of the city/state where they are being held. In a perversion of law, people have been held for months or even years without benefit of a trial or judge. All at the expense of the city. So cities have stopped asking and thus become known as sanctuary cities. Of course, some do actively embrace that status….


  16. Debra @8:25 I strongly agree with you. The current state-by-state experimentation with drug laws is exactly what Madison and Jefferson envisioned.


  17. Debra @ 9:19. Americans have always migrated around the country looking for more opportunities. That’s what the great Westward Expansion was all about. The California Gold Rush, the Land Rush into Oklahoma, the great black migration to the industrial North, the mass move of rural farm kids to cities and suburbs, and the still ongoing migration from the Rustbelt to the Sunbelt. All of these are examples of Americans moving to have more economic opportunity. The problem is we are now providing a government paid subsistence living to folks who choose to stay in places where there are no jobs.


  18. When the government subsidizes sloth, when Americans fail to move to places where there are jobs, when Americans draw unemployment for months before looking for a job, when Americans drop out of the work force and fake a disability, all of these things fuel the demand for illegal immigrants.

    But, guess what? In the last 10 years there has been a net migration of illegal Mexicans out of the US. Who is going to clean our toilets? Who will do hard physical labor? Who will be our maids? It isn’t going to be the people looking to Obama or Trump to solve their problems.


  19. “Who is going to clean our toilets? Who will do hard physical labor? Who will be our maids? ”
    The question you’re really asking is ” Who will work under the table for us now?” The answer is NO ONE! And that’s the point. Pay the *lawful market wage* and you can get your hard work done and your toilets cleaned. It’s what the rest of us have to do if we want someone to cut a large tree or clean our bathrooms…what makes you so special that you think you’re exempt?

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  20. I pay market wages every day. I have never hired an illegal alien. When I hire someone, I look for a work ethic. I am not looking for Obama lovers or Trumpkins.

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  21. Then who are you arguing for to be exempt from paying lawful market wages? Unless these people are on welfare (and most are not) someone is employing these people illegally?


  22. UPDATE: I’m loving the local Trump effect! I was told just a few days ago that brother and his crew got a $1.00hr raise! The writing is on the wall, so hopefully they won’t have to listen to threats of being replaced illegally when the boss is in foul humor. ;–)

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  23. January is a good time to take stock of your career, and with the economy perking up, perhaps you should to consider making a dramatic change. After all, what’s more American than relocating for opportunity?

    But even as careers get shorter — the average millennial will have seven jobs by age 28 — and the gig economy encourages all sorts of creative work arrangements, a funny thing has happened to the idea of heading “West.”

    Americans don’t really move much anymore.



  24. Correction @9:19 I left out a word… it should be “*Illegal* immigrants are by definition coming from outside the country…..”

    Because of course not all immigrants come illegally. :–)


  25. Ricky, as I have stated before, I do not know Jeff Sessions personally. I do know people who do know him personally. Yesterday I went into the office. One of our agents had been to a breakfast downtown where the media were interviewing the “hometown” folks. She stated there wasn’t a racist bone in Jeff’s body.
    Another agent said that her first job out of college in 1977 was working for a law firm downtown. She said that Jeff was the nicest, most even handed attorney working at the Federal Courthouse at that time. She said that Mr. Figures, the attorney who brought the charges of racism against Mr. Sessions was a known “crazy man”.

    I have also told before that Mobile, AL is the last place the KKK lynched a black man. My father took me to the location to make sure I understood what was wrong. Jeff Sessions bankrupted the KKK in Alabama.


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  26. And in fairness here is this. You can draw your own conclusions by what your remember of the 80’s. As for me? Racism was far from over in the general public as I knew it then. I have witnessed many forms of racism. I have actually heard someone from a large west coast state say that Southerners are unjust to Negroes. What we really ought to have to put up with is the ^&%$ Mexicans and I have heard people in a Mid-Atlantic state bemoan all the &&(*(*&( Indians.



  27. It is so easy to say everyone should just move to where the jobs are. It is quite another feat to do so. We have been in this situation. Cheryl has some very good insight into some of the difficulties.

    Where I live is a ‘one industry’ area. When that industry shuts down, it affects many, many other jobs. These lay-offs are often temporary and a person saves to get through such things, if they are wise. However, no one knows when they will be rehired. It is rare to be able to pick up jobs close by, since there are very few, if any, and they are not going to hire someone who they know will probably return to the better paying job they were laid off from. This can even be the case of applying for jobs a couple of hundred miles away.

    My husband sent resumes all over and he was very experienced, always did a good job and well educated. Age is another problem for many workers, BTW. Most employers can hide age discrimination, but it does happen. (along with fat, short, ugly etc. discrimination)

    When people are laid off, they are going all over trying to find work. In the meantime, they have payments to make. We were fortunate to not have ‘extra’ bills. At the least, a person has a house payment and usually a car payment, since public transportation is not something available to many. You might also have taxes, utilities, college, health, credit card. Plus, you do need to eat.

    There is no one to buy your home or you may get such a low offer that people will snatch it up for less than you owe. Some snatched up great homes for vacation homes by paying such low prices. In the meantime, you must be able to have money to set yourself up in another city. It is difficult to do this when you have used up your savings.

    Many times, most of the rest of your family may be also affected by the same lay-off situations. They cannot help you; you cannot help them.

    I am not saying people should not move. I am pointing out that it is often not quite as easy as anyone might think.

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  28. Debra,

    The Trump Effect is real, and it’s contagious. 🙂


    “This morning I heard Bryan Williams (of all people) say that today is “one of the busiest news days” since the election. I suppose that’s true if you butter your bread in the cable news game. But while much of the press corps prefers to discuss secretive and probably imaginary meetings in Prague of whatever bits of dirt they can dig up on the cabinet nominees, there have been some other things happening. Ever since Donald Trump was elected there’s been a not always quiet undercurrent of concern flowing through companies who do a lot of outsourcing or build factories in other countries. Having seen what’s happened to some of their competitors, CEOs are becoming worried about the President Elect calling them out for being unamerican and many have begun modifying their plans or at least making contingency preparations. (Reuters)

    Some U.S. companies are reviewing potential mergers while others are rethinking job cuts or looking at their manufacturing operations in China for fear of being cast as “anti-American” by President-elect Donald Trump, according to Wall Street bankers, company executives and crisis management consultants.

    Having seen some of America’s largest companies, including General Motors Co (GM.N), Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) and United Technologies Corp (UTX.N), bluntly and publicly rebuked by Trump on Twitter, many others are worried they may be his next target – especially if they have significant overseas manufacturing, have had U.S. job cuts or price increases for consumers.

    “Any business that leaves our country for another country, fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in the other country, and then thinks it will sell its product back into the U.S. without retribution or consequence is WRONG!” Trump, who assumes office on Jan. 20, tweeted in December.

    This article contains some remarkable interviews with people in companies who have not yet made announcements about repatriating jobs or increasing investments in US operations, some of whom preferred to speak on background. White Mountains Insurance Group had been in talks to structure an “inversion” deal where they would move their headquarters overseas for a more favorable tax position. That proposal fell apart in late November, largely because buyers were quoted as saying that they feared the move would be portrayed as unamerican. The CEO of Fitbit, which does it’s manufacturing in China, is quoted as saying that his company is looking at “contingeny plans” right now. Other business leaders told Reuters that they have set up special programs to monitor Trump’s Twitter feed so they can be prepared to answer if he comes after them, even while they prepare to invest more in the United States.”

    Here’s the Reuters piece referenced above.


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  29. It is harder than we can imagine. I know of a situation right now where the very formerly successful husband suffered a Traumatic Brain Injury. There house is in an affluent area and has been on the market for 3 or 4 years without any offers. The wife has applied for various jobs including ANYTHING at Wal-Mart. When they look at her home address they don’t take her seriously and “only want to hire people who are going to make a career” of working there. Not someone looking for temporary employment.

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  30. FWIW, I know all kinds of people who clean toilets, hotel rooms, houses, do yardwork etc. who are not immigrants-legal or illegal. I hope the system finally gets fixed, however.

    Yes, Kim. I forgot to mention that many consider you ‘over-educated’ and then refuse to hire you. Your education does little good, if you cannot eat! Yes, that was experienced here.

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  31. I never said it was easy. When the pilgrims came here it wasn’t easy. When millions of poor blacks moved up North it wasn’t easy. When immigrants fled for their lives with the shirts on their backs from South Africa and Nazi Germany, it wasn’t easy. A number of things that Americans need to do are not easy.

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  32. Ricky, it isn’t the same. What should this woman do? They have negotiated with the bank not to foreclose and let them sell the house. They can’t move until they have the money they will receive from the sell of the house which is listed UNDER market value and they only owe a relatively small amount on it. With now income, they can’t take equity out of the house and they have depleted their savings.
    What would be easier for her would be to divorce her husband and she and her younger daughter move in with her older daughter in an apartment and leave her now disabled husband “holding the bag”. Do you recommend she do that? They have to pay the outrageous insurance premiums because he cannot go without medical care.
    Please, in all seriousness tell me what you think they should do???? He is 57 and she is 50.


  33. It’s not easy to do the right thing. The right and ‘not easy’ thing we need to do right now is what Trump was elected to do. Fixing a broken system is not easy and probably will not be painless.

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  34. The system isn’t broken. Successful legal immigrants prove that. Many Americans are broken.

    Kim, Our goal should not be for me or Trump or Obama or a government program to help people solve their problems. Our goal should be for Americans to learn to solve their own problems half as well as Mexicans, Indians, Filipinos, etc. solve theirs.


  35. Oh look, there’s actual evidence that some foreign country did try to influence our election. But it wasn’t Russia. I guess this is no big deal to the press because she’s a Democrat.


    “Looks like the Russians didn’t play on our field alone in the last election. According to Politico’s Kenneth Vogel and David Stern, the DNC had contact with the Ukrainian government while the Ukrainians tried to boost Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. That included leaks of damaging information, especially about former campaign manager Paul Manafort, who got dropped by Team Trump when his ties to Ukraine were exposed:

    Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

    A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

    The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

    Vogel and Stern later suggest in their reporting that the Ukrainian interventions were less effective than those by the Russians, but is that the case? The Ukrainians managed to peel Manafort off of the campaign, while the Russian hacks didn’t dissuade Hillary from keeping John Podesta as her campaign chief. Trump won the election, but that might be more related to Hillary Clinton’s ineptitude in assuming that Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin weren’t up for grabs. Just as the Russians weren’t responsible for Hillary’s incompetence, the Ukrainians weren’t responsible for Trump’s peccadilloes. Perhaps they ended up canceling each other out instead?

    The bigger issue is the coordination alleged in this article between a DNC consultant and the Ukrainian government. That’s precisely the kind of coordination that Democrats allege that Trump conducted with Russia in order to get foreign assistance in the election, but for which they have provided no evidence. Vogel and Stern get their information from the source herself:”


  36. Ricky;

    “The system isn’t broken. Successful legal immigrants prove that.”

    And the 15 to 20 million illegals inside our borders, and operating with impunity, says it is. Security is part of the system. It’s been broken badly, to the point of being non-existent.


    “But, guess what? In the last 10 years there has been a net migration of illegal Mexicans out of the US.”

    That’s not entirely true. First, the 10 year thing. It’s outdated. Take a look at the last 8. It’s up, and it’s booming right now.


    “Some 2.5 million illegal immigrants have flowed into the United States under President Obama, with 790,000 rushing in since 2013, according to a new analysis.

    Calculations from the Center for Migration Studies and the Pew Research Center indicate 1.5 to 1.7 million aliens joined the illegal population from 2009 to 2013 — either overstaying a temporary visa or sneaking into the country, according to a Center for Immigration Studies report out Monday morning.

    The immigration watchdog’s analysis of Census Bureau data also showed that an additional 790,000 illegals entered from the middle of 2013 to May of 2015, for a total of 2.5 million new illegal immigrants since Obama took office in January of 2009. That is a rate of 300,000 to 400,000 a year.”


    And right now, it’s a race for the border, coming in before the door closes.


  37. And while your claim about Mexicans specifically is true, it’s all the other illegals from south of Mexico that are now the larger problem, although illegal Mexicans are still coming as well. These illegals Mexican authorities are allowing across. Either way, Mexico is a large part of the problem.


    “What is often lost in the debate about border control is the dramatic change in who is trying to migrate. The number of Mexicans caught trying to illegally cross has been dropping – from more than 400,000 in fiscal 2010 to about 177,000 this year. Meanwhile the number of migrants from violence-plagued El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala has nearly quadrupled in the same period, to almost 179,000.

    Many of the Central Americans do not sneak over under the cover of darkness; they are delivered by smugglers to the banks of the Rio Grande and wade across in broad daylight to turn themselves in to Border Patrol. That’s because most of the migrants are asking for some type of asylum and, therefore, are entitled to go before an immigration judge to plead their case, rather than being quickly deported. But it often takes months, if not years, for the backlogged courts to determine whether asylum seekers face danger at home and deserve protection.

    In the meantime, most of the migrants are released from detention after a few days. Often, they do not appear for their court dates. Of the 20,000 families whose legal proceedings ended with deportation orders between July 2014 and August this year, 85 percent did not show up in court, fueling the perception that migrants are gaming the system and intending to remain in the country illegally.

    Border Patrol union leaders want more agents and immigration judges, plus longer detention periods for asylum seekers awaiting court dates. Sending a stern message will discourage future migrants, said Hector Garza, a Border Patrol agent in the Laredo, Tex., sector and a union representative.

    “You do have to take some action,” he said. “Right now, it’s out of control.””


  38. AJ, isn’t the “Trump Effect” a cause for concern? Why is any company at fault for building or moving jobs overseas, so long as they’re obeying laws passed here? If a single, powerful politician, can intervene and pressure this company or that to behave a certain way, that’s patently unfair. Who’s to say he’s singling out the right companies (who are, after all, obeying U.S. laws)? How does he determine which ones to publicly criticize?

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  39. Ricky @1:02 “Our goal should be for Americans to learn to solve their own problems half as well as Mexicans, Indians, Filipinos, etc. solve theirs.”

    They have chosen to solve their problems by coming to our country—some legally and some illegally. It is up to us as citizens to do what is best for us as a country. And as much as multi-national companies and their mouthpieces would like for us to just shut up and act like we are immigrants in our own county, we don’t choose to, we don’t need to, nor should we.

    A nation of immigrants is not the same thing as a nation of migrants.

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  40. What’s to be concerned about? Are you saying it’s not way past time we have someone who actually stands up to larger corps. who sell out American workers, while still expecting us to buy their cheaply made imports? I say it’s about time someone points this out to the public, rather than blindly following the status quo for political donations from said corps. There’s nothing unfair about someone in Trump’s position using his bully pulpit to point it out. Picking winners and losers is a different story, but that’s not what he’s doing.

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  41. Ricky, anecdotal evidence of what desperate people are willing to do (including risking death or rape) is not even close to evidence the system isn’t “broken.” Would you send your daughter with a coyote?

    My family is smart, entrepreneurial (virtually no one in my extended family works a typical nine-to-five job), thrifty, and creative. So we’re all making it. But many of us are “barely” making it, and that’s with such habits as finding creative ways to get out from under a mortgage ASAP so as to live with no debt. The younger generation doesn’t have the same options as yours did. For many jobs, college is demanded; college usually requires debt; college doesn’t guarantee a job. A smart, creative person with decent skills and good work ethic can find a way to stay employed in minimum-wage jobs . . . but that’s hardly the same thing as being able to pay off a mortgage, support a family, and stay out of debt. The costs of health insurance, property taxes, and transportation can take everything, leaving nothing for food, mortgage payments, etc. And then what happens if you are out of work for an extended time with the current norm of jobs that don’t provide sick days? At 20 I had a full-time job with regular hours and benefits (sick time, holiday time, vacation time, health insurance, and an employee discount). I’d had no college, my only work experience was a part-time job at McDonald’s, I had no social skills and a wardrobe reflecting poverty, and high school was by correspondence. My daughter with a college degree has a less-than-full-time job without any benefits; hiring people for 40 hours for less than professional career jobs has become too expensive–one is expected to give benefits. So, if you are barely making enough to scrape by, what happens if you get sick and end up in the hospital and have two weeks without work with more bills than ever to pay? Also, most of today’s jobs seem not to have guaranteed hours. So said employee may still have her job when she gets out of the hospital, but maybe she was getting 30-32 hours a week, but someone else now has one of her shifts and she has 26 hours. She can get a second job, but that would mean working every weekend and she doesn’t see her husband except for every other weekend and some evenings as it is. And getting a second job is difficult if your job gives you hours at the last minute sometimes, and if you might be working anywhere from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m.

    Yes, technically jobs do give extra points to a black person applying . . . but that still doesn’t mean they’ll hire the candidate whose looks they don’t like. It still doesn’t mean they’ll hire a black man if they have a black woman applying, and if the black man has a criminal record they almost certainly won’t. Look, I know someone who had received Christ in prison and come out clean, and had worked hard to stay clean. He’d worked at the same company five or six years (not everyone does that anymore) when the company restructured and wasn’t allowed to employ ex-felons anymore, so suddenly he was out of work. You can’t tell him the system isn’t “broken,” and you can’t tell me that either, since I know him.

    As I’ve said before, it’s expensive to be poor in America. A few years ago I edited a book about poverty, and the author was talking about this town where the average income was less than two dollars per day. He was talking about micro loans and how the company making them wouldn’t give a loan for standard bills, like electricity and water, or expected expenses, such as the birth of a baby (since you have nine months to save to pay the hospital). I went back to the author and said let me make sure this is accurate–are you saying that they have electricity and running water, and hospital births, and they pay for this on less than two dollars a day? And he said yes. Do you know it isn’t even possible to be homeless in America on two dollars a day? I’m not saying that tongue in cheek, I’m saying that literally. Without a means to cook food, you cannot buy adequate food for two dollars a day, let alone clothing and blankets and such, and access to an occasional shower. To live in a house or apartment anywhere in America, not government subsidized, your basic living expenses will be hundreds of dollars, no matter how frugal you are. Throw in mandatory health insurance, transportation to work, and appropriate clothing for work, and being poor adds up really quickly.

    And we as Christians are called to have compassion for the poor, not to start with the assumption that they are lazy. Some are, but many are not. Many are on a treadmill it is almost impossible to exit. Almost, not totally impossible–but if you are that poor person who has a disability, or a criminal record, or any of a number of other liabilities, it might just be totally impossible for you.

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  42. The really funny thing is that while Americans who can’t deal with their own problems elect Obama and then Trump to solve all their problems, most of the rest of the world is enjoying a tremendous economic boom, thanks to technological advances and free trade.


  43. PS Here’s another point: In America, “neglect” is considered child abuse. You can have your children taken away if someone determines you aren’t giving them enough food, proper clothing, etc. I know someone who believed she would let her children starve before she would do anything against her basic principles, and her basic principles included a wife working outside the home and not taking government help. But then her husband died, and the life insurance was inadequate to see the children all the way to adulthood, let alone care for her the rest of her life without her having to work. She has tried very hard to get some home-based businesses going (so far without success) so that she can be self-supporting, but in the meantime she is accepting social security for her family, which is actually against her “principles.” But it’s also against her principles for her to put her children in childcare while she goes to work, against her principles to put them in public schools, and against her principles to let them be put into foster care because of neglect. Something had to give, and for a woman suddenly left without a provider, that “something” was her principled stand against taking the social security safety net put in place for families like hers. Her principles would have let her allow her children to starve (I don’t think, if the rubber met the road, she would have been able to do so, but that was theory at least), but such a stance would have meant the children would be taken away and put into foster care, and that was not an option. But their family’s “ideals” ran smack dab up against reality. For instance, they didn’t have adequate life insurance because they didn’t think they’d need it, or not for long anyway, because with a couple of years in the worst-case scenarios the teenage sons would support the family . . . but in the real world today, seventeen- and eighteen-year-old boys can’t work and support an entire family. There are restrictions on the kinds of work, and amount of work, a student can do before finishing high school, and they live in an area that has employment issues, and they legally cannot sell the house and move until the children are grown, etc.

    Idealism met reality, and it kinds stunk.

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  44. SolarP, Trump is going to give everyone a job making $100,000 a year to make 1960 Cadillacs while kicking out all the immigrants and tearing up all the trade deals. You and I need to stop being spoil sports.

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  45. The rest of the world also enjoys part of their ‘boom’ due to being able to produce in their own countries and sell in ours without border adjustments or other payments to ensure that trade is not just free but also fair…or at least more fair.

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  46. A good, term life insurance policy would have prevented your sister’s problem.

    I agree with Ricky about work ethic. Our hay guy has had the same experience. If he hires local guys, they work a week or two, and then show up when they want to , not when needed or scheduled. He only works Mexicans, albeit legal ones, as they will work.

    After my divorce, I worked 3 jobs to make ends meet. I had a full time job, and 2 part time jobs. I worked every weekend for about 7 years. During that time, I went to school, without incurring any debt. I worked full time and went to school full time. None of that would have been possible if I had taste for fancy things, or electronics.

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  47. But AJ, that’s not how a free market should work, nor is it “conservative” at all. If a company is abiding by the law, why should *they* be criticized? Change *the law.* Beyond that, how can it be proven that moving jobs overseas it a net *bad.*? Cheaper labor means cheaper products. How can we tell what’s more valuable between 1000 jobs kept in the U.S., and cheaper products available to thousands or millions? I know how: the free market. It’s strange. Conservatives have decried taxed and regulations for years. Fix that stuff, and far fewer companies will look to move jobs away. Politicians never seem to learn that it’s a bad idea to advocate an unprincipled policy merely because *their* party is in power, because when the next guy takes office, he very well may misuse it.

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  48. I can’t quite track the discussion between Cheryl and RickyW. Is the only point of disagreement the poor/lazy thing, or are either of you advocating (or opposing) specific policies or programs?


  49. RKessler, whose sister’s problem? I didn’t see a life insurance discussion on this thread except my mention of someone I knew. And that person did have life insurance, but didn’t have enough life insurance to support her for the rest of her life. The point was that her ideals (including never having to work outside the home) didn’t match reality once her situation was no longer ideal (when she no longer had a husband to provide for her). Her principles would not have allowed her to do what you did, because she had children to support.

    You might have been talking about a post I missed, by someone else. But the thing I was trying to show is that we can talk theory all day long, but it has to work in the real world. Now, if we are talking absolute right and wrong (e.g., we won’t prostitute ourselves, sell drugs, or make money in other illegal/immoral ways), then let’s talk ideals. But when we are talking about people’s opinions (nobody in this country can really be destitute unless they’re lazy), then it had better be supportable by facts.

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  50. Solar Pancake, quick summary of my position:

    (1) Sometimes poverty is systemic, and due to problems much bigger than an individual person’s bad choices. Let’s use Appalachia as an example, since I already used inner-city poverty. There are people in Appalachia whose whole life is there, whose whole clan is there, and who live in desperate poverty. If theoretically someone could choose to leave, they might find themselves completely unemployable: no social security number or other government record they even exist, no money for transportation out, no social skills transferable to employment, very little education, no money for housing and transportation and other basic necessities (having lived in a world with very little use of money and very little that’s saleable) . . . and the person’s entire family and network is back in Appalachia.

    (2) We are told to have compassion for the poor. Assuming as a starting point that they are lazy is uncompassionate. I personally know a lot of hard-working poor people, people who work 40 or 50 or 60 hours a week and barely keep their heads above water.

    (3) Government positions should not make life impossible for poor people, nor should they make it impossible for people to live without choosing government aid. I know people who would die before accepting government aid, but they cannot afford health insurance on the open market. Property taxes that evict people from their home if they cannot afford to pay and requirements that people have health insurance are two such anti-poor (not anti-poverty) government provisions. Making it nearly impossible for a person with a felony conviction to get an honest job is also another no-win, anti-poor problem. Regulations that go after small businesses also make people poor, even hard-working people.

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  51. SolarP, I actually lost track myself after my 9:42 post. It has been a very busy day at work and I have only had time for smart-aleck remarks. I will read everyone’s posts when I get home and see if I can fight on or must run up the white flag.

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  52. Thanks for the summary, Cheryl.

    1. Though some are poor for reasons unrelated to behavior, I would argue that most adult poverty in the US is caused by behavior. Hillbilly Elegy, Coming Apart, Paved With Good Intentions and many other books support this conclusion..

    2. I have compassion for the poor. I do free work for the poor. We give to charities that help the poor. I know many poor people. Some are hard-working folks with limited gifts. Many are lazy or drunks or on drugs or spendthrifts or criminals. Read Coming Apart.

    3. I don’t assume people are lazy. I observe them being lazy. My fellow employers tell of lazy employees. My relatives tell of lazy co-workers. Clients tell me of their own laziness and that of their relatives every day.

    4. I understand The Fall. However, I don’t believe Americans are inherently lazier than other Nationalities. I think the US government, beginning in the 1960s, subsidized, promoted and encouraged laziness. And they succeeded beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.

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  53. A word about felons. I don’t do criminal law, but I have several friends from church who are convicted felons. They all have pretty good jobs, so I guess Texas is the land of opportunity and second chances. Most of them are not poor. The ones that are poor are in that condition because of bad behavior. Again, see Coming Apart.


  54. A story that illustrates the need to do whatever is necessary to move away from blighted areas:

    After Katrina, tens of thousands of people were homeless and left New Orleans never to return. Several of these families had young men who played basketball with my son in an upper middle class suburban high school near Fort Worth. Texas really is a friendly place and the new families blended right in with the Old Guard.

    At graduation, one of the Dads from New Orleans remarked that Katrina had been a great blessing to his family. He and his wife had better jobs than they ever had in New Orleans and the kids were able to go to good schools. He said if it had not been for Katrina they never would have moved.


  55. RKessler65’s story is inspiring. Unfortunately, the vast majority of native born Americans would have considered such a path to be “impossible”. Immigrants have a broader definition of what is possible, both in terms of work and expenditures.


  56. @Ricky 6:23 — If, for example, the people you call “Yankees” move out of their blighted areas, then are we on this blog going to hear (again) complaints from you that Ys are coming to Texas?

    In my opinion, Ricky, if I may be so bold as to say it, I think you, personally, need to get out of Texas and into “Y” territory for a significant length of time (I’m not talking days or weeks, and even months would be inadequate) and live among people whose environment and experiences are far different than yours. Broad-brushing any people group, whether they be “Yankees” or poor people or people of means who fell into hard financial times through no fault of their own, or whomever, and then engaging in a serious discussion like this one today with little more than, as you accurately termed them, “smart-aleck remarks” does not do much to back up your claim that you show compassion. How can you, when you don’t appear to take the time to understand or to comment intelligently on important questions and issues like the ones Cheryl and Kim mentioned?

    You don’t, of course, have to agree with everyone, and no one ever will, but until you’re willing and able to move far from Texas to try to make a living among people in other parts of the U.S., many of whose lives you don’t understand, then it would behoove you to start listening more and engaging less through smart-aleck remarks, which does nothing to advance an important conversation.

    Understanding and compassion go hand in hand. I don’t see much of either in your responses today.

    /stepping off my soapbox now

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  57. Thank you, Ricky for the Katrina story. As the “diaspora” took place, I wondered if it would turn out to be a blessing for some–an ability to get out of the only world they’d ever known and see a different style of life. Your story implies that happened to some. I was going to ask the question earlier in the day but got sidetracked by . . . work.

    Illegal employment is unfair to society and to the illiegal individual. If we truly cared for them, we wouldn’t hire them–because they are taken advantage of in our underground economy.

    My California society has raised a generation or two of kids who see the work done by illegal aliens as “beneath them,” no matter how poor the families these kids come from. A barista job is acceptable, but cutting lawns is not. That’s an entitlement attitude that is unhealthy for everyone involved.

    To that end, Taco Bell jobs are performed by older adults; fast food is beneath the kids. Their parents raise money through school fund raisers for them to be able to do things. The nonworking kids have better phones than I do, including the kids from poor families. The story goes on and on.

    California, itself, is so very helpful–you can’t work a lot of jobs unless you are 18 years old. All vocational programs have been removed from school–it’s considered better if a kid fail algebra than learn a respectable trade like autoshop. It goes on and on.

    I hire kids to do work for me in the yard and the house. I’ve done it for a long time, to encourage a work ethic and to help them. I pay above minimum wage.

    I know only a couple kids–all from the upper 1% households–who got “real” jobs after graduating from college. Most have had to become entrepeneural and remain at their college jobs as long as they can–because “real” jobs aren’t available.

    It was shocking the other day to realize I pay my 15 year-old home schooled house cleaner with three months experience more than my college educated daughter makes as an EMT in Los Angeles. There is something very screwed up about the wages in this country–but I have no idea how to fix it.

    Supply and demand? EMTs–who will save your life, of course–are considered a blue collar entry level job. You need to graduate from high school and take a course–that’s it. It’s a stepping stone for people like my daughter (who, btw, is delighted to be in grad school this week with people more like her, even as she continues to work as an EMT two nights a week to pay her rent), an end for some and a flexible job for others. But, I think they should be paid more–even if it’s not my daughter.

    I need to cook dinner and rest my weary head. An interesting discussion today and so much healthier than anything Meryl Streep said yesterday . . .

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  58. Nice discussion to read — and the first time I disagreed with Ricky in awhile — given that the topic wasn’t Trump, it probably was expected.

    It’s expensive to be poor. Higher interest rates, longer payment schedules, late payment fees, etc. There’s been several good articles and books outlining this problem — I’ve heard Nickeled and Dimed in America offers some good examples. Personal anecdote; two years ago I needed a new car – the repairs on the old one were more than a monthly payment. Because of my job security and wage level, I qualified for a no interest loan to buy a new car. Without the job security and wage level, I would have to pay interest on a loan to purchase a used car without warranty and maintenance costs to start sooner. Thus because of my income, I actually pay less for a new car than a poor person would pay for a used car.

    Another example; my bother pays 1100 a month for a two bdrm apt not including utilities. I have a $800 mortgage and a $200 in property taxes. My house appreciated in value at least 30% in 2 years meanwhile my brother saves nothing. He actually has enough in savings for a down payment but banks have turned him down in the past because of low income and insecure jobs yet he manages to pay a 1100 a month in rent — he can carry a mortgage for less if banks let him. I’m getting richer while my bother is on a treadmill going nowhere wealth wise.

    Its a nice story to talk about riding the rails and/or the Okies going West. 50 years ago riding the rails would probably get a night in the county jail with free food and a ride to the county line in the morning. Now, you get processed and receive a conviction — you’re now unemployable. The barriers to employment are more numerous than before.

    As Cheryl (I think) points out, basic living essentials are much cheaper outside of North America. What little one earns in terms of money can be saved. Thus is can be far cheaper to travel from San Salvador to Dallas then from Detroit to Dallas. An other barrier to labour mobility. The North American obsession with owning a home is an other factor to labour mobility — we have physical roots/assets preventing movement.

    I’m not against immigration, legal or illegal, nor free trade. I think illegal immigration is a market response that the gov’t refuses to recognize and fails to curb by regulating the labour market properly. However, I do think we can’t blame the American worker for his/poverty, stagnating income, lower opportunities, etc — its a structural problem. The American worker is, in fact, one of the most productive workforces in the world and far more eager to work than his/her European or Asian counterparts (who else in the industrialized doesn’t take at least two weeks vacation) .

    Gov’ts create markets and thus the gov’t needs to correct the market to reward/encourage the American worker. An interesting note given the ACA debate in Congress — tying health care to the work force reduces labour mobility even more. Universal medicare will make it easier for people to change jobs.

    As for free trade; almost all goods now cross borders tariff free with the only impediments to trade being health and safety regulations. The “trade” deals of the last few decades have not been to expand free trade but rathe to increase corporate rights and corporate mobility.

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  59. 6 arrows, After complete and further review, I conclude that my smart-aleck remarks were in fact an adequate and proper response to the other arguments.


  60. To change the wage structure in America which is obviously off-kilter — raise the minimum wage so it matches the minimum wage of 1970 in inflation adjusted dollars and change the rules to make unionization easier. There is a direct correlation to the decline of blue collar wages and job security to the decline of unions. Some countries have rules in place which ties CEO compensation to average employee wages. 1960s style taxation may help as would taxing all income the same.

    Chas — I don’t think Cory Booker qualifies as a leftist Democrat as your link states. He’s a Clinton Democrat. He just voted against a bill to lower drug costs. He’s lost his credibility with the Sanders wing of the party.

    Trump effect — partisans are quick to claim credit for their man or party when they are in charge yet will cite market forces when their opponents are in charge. Truth is, most economic and corporate decisions are market based. The only way for a gov’t to take credit is if they fundamentally change the structure of the market. Is the Republican party now in favour of gov’t intervention in the market place? If so, welcome to my side of the table. Now all we have to do is agree on what type, how much and for who’s benefit.


  61. HRW, I thought we would be opposite one another today, but I’ve got this just for you:


    It has everything. Bernie Sanders as the free market, international trade hero, Cory Booker in the pocket of Big Pharma, Trump on the right side, most Senate Republicans on the wrong side. Who knows? Maybe we can agree on something other than Trump.


  62. They’re concerned for your safety………….
    Apparently drugs from Canada might kill you — well the marijuana is rather strong up here. Seriously, as Pawlenty said, where are the dead Canadians.

    btw, you can thank Bush and Plan B (I believe thats the name) for your pharma prices.

    It will be interesting to see how Trump plans to address the gaping hole the Republicans will leave when they dismantle the ACA. Especially given the fiscal reality that repeal will cost a lot of money and the electoral reality that repeal may cost midterm seats.

    Interesting to note; Mike Pence used the ACA to expand medicare in Indiana now he wants to repeal it.

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  63. HRW, 8:11, I agree — it is more expensive to be poor. Trying to get ahead enough to, say, buy a larger quantity of laundry detergent at a lower per-ounce rate than the small container is often out of reach because you need that extra $10 (difference between the small size and the large size) to put toward extra food when the shelves are getting bare.

    Or you go to buy food, and one or two things you use regularly are deeply discounted, but you’ve only got enough money with you (and no more at home until payday) to get the staples on your list, so you can’t take advantage of buying the sale items in bulk like someone who has enough extra money to buy additional items/quantities.

    Same with paying for a service that is discounted if you purchase a larger package at once. I am a private music teacher working from home, and I know of many in my field who offer lower rates to families who pay for many lessons at once (like a whole year, or a semester, or even a quarter). Those who pay monthly pay a premium.

    Yes, it makes sense from a business perspective, because there is less recordkeeping when payments are infrequent, but from the perspective of families who are unable to pay for more than a month in advance, they’re getting charged the highest tuition rate for their inability to come up with more money from the get-go.

    Another example where you need money to save money.

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  64. hwesseli, raising the minimum wage makes less of a free market and drives up all prices. What happens to the person making $11 an hour with an $8 minimum wage when the minimum wage goes up to $12? That person gets a “raise” to $12 but less buying power (because other prices go higher) and the wage advantage he had over newly hired workers and people in minimum-wage jobs completely evaporates.

    I suspect that is one reason that most “entry level” jobs in America (including those held by college graduates) are now part-time, minimum wage, without benefits. My first “real” job in 1987 was full-time, with benefits, 20% above minimum wage, but minimum wage has now become the norm for most jobs, not the wage for high school students and housewives wanting to work 10 or 15 hours a week.

    Leave the minimum wage alone, and allow the workplace to sort itself out.

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  65. Ricky, I don’t think your “smart aleck” answers are adequate at all. You sound more like Ebeneezer Scrooge than you might wish. Scripture says way too much about believers caring for the poor, the widows, and orphans for “it’s mostly their own fault” to be an adequate answer to hard questions of situations that actually aren’t the people’s own fault, or are at least (in many cases) the end result of generations of dysfunction and thus realistically the only thing people in a given community have ever known.

    You speak of immigrants finding success and proving it can be done. I assume you understand that immigrants tend to be either the most adventurous and intelligent from their places of birth or the criminal ones looking for an opportunity, not as a rule the average citizen? You can’t really compare people who DO leave Kenya at great cost with those who DON’T leave inner-city impoverishment. The creative, innovative people leave inner cities, too, or they try to. (There are reasons other than laziness that some do not succeed–such as, say, legal restrictions on where they can live based on criminal cases or based on custody issues, or physical limitations such as being unable to drive because of epilepsy, or any number of other reasons.) The more the creative ones leave, the worse the dysfunction remains for those left behind. Single mothers and drug-dealing men don’t make for a healthy community, but it’s harder to get “out” than you might think, for those who aren’t in the top 5% of intelligence and ingenuity. At the very least we need to applaud the courage of those who try, and help them if we have such opportunity.

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  66. Cheryl, You are wrong, at least about Mexican immigrants. The smartest ones have good jobs in Mexico. The criminals would not work as hard as our Mexican immigrants work. Maybe they are adventurous, but I have seen the exact same spirit in Mexico. No, the difference is in work ethic. RKessler has seen the difference and described it well.

    The very funniest thing is the Mexicans understand the difference in work ethic all too well and constantly joke about it when the Gringos are not around.


  67. Cheryl — its a common myth that increased minimum wage leads to inflation. Theoretical , all kinds of economist will present models to show why it “should” happen but there’s never been a proven case of it actually happening. There’s not even a correlation between the two. Currently with corporate accounts stuffed with cash, an increase in minimum wage can be easily absorbed without inflation


  68. My favorite Mexican joke along this line has to do with those “shovel ready” infrastructure jobs favored by Obama and Trump:

    “Whenever you approach a construction site you will always see nine Gringos leaning on their shovels and one Mexican digging a hole all by himself.”


  69. HRW, If there is no link between raising the minimum wage and inflation, why not make the minimum wage $100 an hour? You said the connection between the two were only theoretical.

    Of course, the real problem with raising the minimum wage was explained by Milton Friedman. Many of our unskilled workers can not produce goods or services worth more than the amount of the minimum wage. If you raise the minimum wage. A rational employer will let these workers go.


  70. Well, Ricky, having spent half my life in Phoenix, I know the positive and negative aspects of the Mexican-American culture. (I even lived in an apartment building where my sister and I were the only white tenants for four months . . . we broke our lease and got out and moved to an apartment across the street that had mostly black residents, and was much safer and cleaner.) I’ve known hard working Mexicans, and I’ve known lazy ones. Kind ones, mean ones. Lustful ones, and family-centered ones. Drunkards and teetotallers. Same thing with white people.

    If you’re determined to think that all poor people are lazy bums, you’re welcome to that thought. I’ve been blessed by knowing all sorts of poor people, too, including some very diligent workers. Remember that our Lord Himself was poor, by all accounts, and that itself should be reason not to write anyone off.

    Have a good evening.

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  71. Ricky, if you met my husband, a lot of your assumptions would fall in a crumpled heap. No wonder you don’t want to come up here. 🙂

    And he won’t ever be going to Texas. He can’t stand the heat. He’d far prefer twenty degrees below zero than twenty degrees below a hundred. Temps are dipping below zero tonight here. One of the reasons winter is his favorite season.

    Like Cheryl, I, too, wish you a good night.

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  72. Our wind chill was below zero last Friday and Saturday nights but it was 75 yesterday. Of course in the summer the heat index can be 110. My father was the opposite of your husband. After working on B-52s in Montana in the winter he never wanted to be cold again, but he could work all day in 100 degree heat.

    For the last 37 years I have worked in a nice office, but on Saturday golf is played regardless of the temperature. I walked 18 holes when it was 113 degrees in 1980 and we walked 27 a few years back when the windchill was 15 below zero. I am like your husband. I prefer the cold for outdoor physical activity. It makes me numb and I feel no pain until I thaw out.


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