Some info is slowly emerging today about Friday’s PP shooter — he’s from NC and has an arrest record for cruelty to animals & being a peeping tom, but looks like he wasn’t convicted of any of those charges. Mug shot makes him look a bit “out there;” Denver Post live blogger quoted some official as saying the guy was a ‘misdirected ideologue’ but others have said it’s too early to discuss motive for what he did yesterday.
Seems like whenever there is a terrible crime, until the details are known you will have people all over the country praying,”Please don’t let him be Muslim.”, “Please don’t let him be Conservative.” “Please don’t let him be Black.”, “Please don’t let him be be from the South.”, “Please don’t let them find any connection to the Tea Party, BLM, Occupy Wall St., Pro Life Movement .”The press starts clawing through their voting records, FaceBook page, anything to prove they’re one of yours, not one of mine. Then when they turn out to be just a nut the argument turns to mental health vs. gun control.
Dear spent time at a small cabin in North Carolina with no electricity or running water about a half-mile up a twisty dirt road near Black Mountain, a neighbor said. On Saturday, there was a cross made of twigs on the door of the pale yellow shack.
“You can tell his personality is just off. The way he looked at you, the way he talked, he just seemed off,” said James Russell, who lives a few hundred feet down the mountain. “If you talked to him, nothing with him was very cognitive — topics all over place.”
Speaking of what KBells mentioned about pouring thru voting records….
Gateway Pundit and several others already did.
According to Colorado records, he’s not an R, registered unaffiliated, and he’s listed as a woman, no word on whether he self-identified as one, or if it’s a mistake……..
So yeah, might be a protected alternate lifestyle….
Well, also looks like some domestic violence claims from a former wife. But it seems he was largely off the grid in terms of social media or political involvement (at least from what’s been said so far). The voter reg info is interesting.
I’m sure the neighbors will have all kinds of stories. …
And, of course, the families of those lost — they’re not releasing the identities of the 2 civilians until later today or tomorrow, apparently. The officer killed, as I’m sure you all know, was an elder at Hope Chapel & the father of two young kids. 😦
COLORADO SPRINGS >> A loner from North Carolina who liked to spend time in his mountain cabin and avoided eye contact with neighbors was in custody Saturday after police said he opened fire at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic and killed three people.
Robert Lewis Dear, 57, left behind few clues about his motive, police said, and those who knew him said he seemed to have few religious or political leanings.
Sadly. I have read of a bunch of right-wingers who’ve expressed the opinion that Dear was saving babies, or that PP staffers deserve to be killed, & other similar sentiments that end up getting all conservatives labelled as haters, & pro-lifers labelled as hypocrites.
There’s something being shared on Facebook that directly blames Republican’s “hatred” & “lies” about PP for the killings.
1. The obvious point: There’s no defending what was done by the shooter at the PP clinic. The guy clearly was disturbed and acted alone & caused immense tragedy in numerous lives. He is hardly “pro-life,” if that is what he even claims. But Christians saying that won’t really matter (or be heard). He will be used as an example of “radicalization” on the “Christian right” — just as dangerous as (and really not any different from) Muslim radicals who kill.
2. While attacks on PP have been extremely rare and, until now, thankfully, in the somewhat distant past — and carried out always by some disturbed loan wolf not connected to any sort of “movement” or established Christian cause — this event will take on huge importance among the left. I may be wrong, but I look for it to become a modern-day poster child for “white terrorism,” “Christian terrorism,” “right-wing terrorism,” the “war on women” and to be given huge political importance; it will be an incident that will be raised at every turn by the left in future discussions of terrorism. The left needed something like this, politically. Now they have it. And PP will no doubt benefit from it and use it to their advantage.
3. The left will use it to cast any undercover videos (and, probably, any organized demonstrations or protests of PP no matter how peaceful) as tools aimed at victimizing or even persecuting PP and the rights of women. It could have a chilling effect on any opposition to PP and legalized abortion.
4. It will be difficult if not impossible, in the current political climate, for Christians or conservatives to be heard if they try to rationally and logically counter that refrain in the public square. In some cases, perhaps silence — or at least an avoidance of being drawn into any overtly political or emotional debates about it — is the best course.
Again, these mass shootings are now so numerous and disturbing. And remember, they’re being carried out despite the fact there are now, at least, more restrictions on acquiring guns than ever before in our culture (maybe not enough restrictions for some, but it was much easier to buy a gun in previous decades and generations than now).
In the aftermath of these rampages, a colleague of mine invariably laments, “And still no one will DO anything about it.” In other words, there’s gotta be a law — or something — that can be passed by politicians to just make it all stop.
But there is no civil law that can stop man’s innate lawlessness and rebellion when unrestrained by God’s common grace. There’s something much deeper, something very spiritually dark going on here.
Lord, have mercy.
My pastor posted this tonight:
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Vigilantism is wrong
Killing babies is wrong
The problem is not guns
The problem is not surgical instruments
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Simple and obvious truths, right?
Yet I’m sure the dialogue via comments will be long and lively, some of it predictable. The KKK already has been thrown into the mix.
Yeah, they probably are in the minority & on the fringe, but there are enough of them to make conservatives look bad. There was a famous name among them, but I don’t remember who.
To be honest with ourselves, conservatives also often use a minority of liberals to complain about liberals in general. Since things on social media get shared & re-blogged & re-tweeted & such, a small group can seem much larger.
This whole liberals-vs-conservatives thing is getting so tiring. Rodney King had a good point when he asked if we couldn’t all just get along. (And I fear the answer these days, for many, is “no”.)
That’s exactly what I’ve been wondering myself, kBells. I’ve seen a couple things on Facebook that refer to the shooting as a “terror attack” on PP. I’ve wanted to point out that the people shot were outside the clinic, but I’m not sure that is wholly accurate, so I don’t want to speculate yet.
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Some info is slowly emerging today about Friday’s PP shooter — he’s from NC and has an arrest record for cruelty to animals & being a peeping tom, but looks like he wasn’t convicted of any of those charges. Mug shot makes him look a bit “out there;” Denver Post live blogger quoted some official as saying the guy was a ‘misdirected ideologue’ but others have said it’s too early to discuss motive for what he did yesterday.
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Seems like whenever there is a terrible crime, until the details are known you will have people all over the country praying,”Please don’t let him be Muslim.”, “Please don’t let him be Conservative.” “Please don’t let him be Black.”, “Please don’t let him be be from the South.”, “Please don’t let them find any connection to the Tea Party, BLM, Occupy Wall St., Pro Life Movement .”The press starts clawing through their voting records, FaceBook page, anything to prove they’re one of yours, not one of mine. Then when they turn out to be just a nut the argument turns to mental health vs. gun control.
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From AP:
Dear spent time at a small cabin in North Carolina with no electricity or running water about a half-mile up a twisty dirt road near Black Mountain, a neighbor said. On Saturday, there was a cross made of twigs on the door of the pale yellow shack.
“You can tell his personality is just off. The way he looked at you, the way he talked, he just seemed off,” said James Russell, who lives a few hundred feet down the mountain. “If you talked to him, nothing with him was very cognitive — topics all over place.”
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Careful, everyone. If he was a Peeping Tom, I think that is a protected alternate lifestyle.
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Speaking of what KBells mentioned about pouring thru voting records….
Gateway Pundit and several others already did.
According to Colorado records, he’s not an R, registered unaffiliated, and he’s listed as a woman, no word on whether he self-identified as one, or if it’s a mistake……..
So yeah, might be a protected alternate lifestyle….
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/court-records-colorado-planned-parenthood-shooter-not-republican-identifies-as-woman/
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I apologize for using the offensive term “Peeping Tom”. From now on I will try to refer to him as a member of the Peeping Community.
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Peeping tomery?
Well, also looks like some domestic violence claims from a former wife. But it seems he was largely off the grid in terms of social media or political involvement (at least from what’s been said so far). The voter reg info is interesting.
I’m sure the neighbors will have all kinds of stories. …
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And I always feel for these guys’ families, sounds like he had at least one son.
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And, of course, the families of those lost — they’re not releasing the identities of the 2 civilians until later today or tomorrow, apparently. The officer killed, as I’m sure you all know, was an elder at Hope Chapel & the father of two young kids. 😦
These mass shooting incidents are so disturbing.
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AP:
COLORADO SPRINGS >> A loner from North Carolina who liked to spend time in his mountain cabin and avoided eye contact with neighbors was in custody Saturday after police said he opened fire at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic and killed three people.
Robert Lewis Dear, 57, left behind few clues about his motive, police said, and those who knew him said he seemed to have few religious or political leanings.
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Of the people he shot, were they in the PP clinic, or were they outside of it? I’m assuming the police officer was outside.
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I think some of the precise details like that haven’t been reported, at least I haven’t seen anything that clearly states where people were when shot.
Guess the suspect has talked about the PP videos, according to police, though, so there we go.
Everything’s played to one side’s political advantage or disadvantage these days — and this will be as well, in spades.
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Sadly. I have read of a bunch of right-wingers who’ve expressed the opinion that Dear was saving babies, or that PP staffers deserve to be killed, & other similar sentiments that end up getting all conservatives labelled as haters, & pro-lifers labelled as hypocrites.
There’s something being shared on Facebook that directly blames Republican’s “hatred” & “lies” about PP for the killings.
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No surprise. 😦 (although, hmmm, I wonder really *how many* Christians (or even ‘right-wingers’) truly believe this was saving babies.
A lot, I’m sure, according to social media.
😦 😦
Sigh.
Time to pray, embrace the humility of the cross — and know that we’re probably in for a tough road ahead as believers in this country.
But it won’t be the first time. 🙂 And there are spiritual benefits.
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My 2 cents:
1. The obvious point: There’s no defending what was done by the shooter at the PP clinic. The guy clearly was disturbed and acted alone & caused immense tragedy in numerous lives. He is hardly “pro-life,” if that is what he even claims. But Christians saying that won’t really matter (or be heard). He will be used as an example of “radicalization” on the “Christian right” — just as dangerous as (and really not any different from) Muslim radicals who kill.
2. While attacks on PP have been extremely rare and, until now, thankfully, in the somewhat distant past — and carried out always by some disturbed loan wolf not connected to any sort of “movement” or established Christian cause — this event will take on huge importance among the left. I may be wrong, but I look for it to become a modern-day poster child for “white terrorism,” “Christian terrorism,” “right-wing terrorism,” the “war on women” and to be given huge political importance; it will be an incident that will be raised at every turn by the left in future discussions of terrorism. The left needed something like this, politically. Now they have it. And PP will no doubt benefit from it and use it to their advantage.
3. The left will use it to cast any undercover videos (and, probably, any organized demonstrations or protests of PP no matter how peaceful) as tools aimed at victimizing or even persecuting PP and the rights of women. It could have a chilling effect on any opposition to PP and legalized abortion.
4. It will be difficult if not impossible, in the current political climate, for Christians or conservatives to be heard if they try to rationally and logically counter that refrain in the public square. In some cases, perhaps silence — or at least an avoidance of being drawn into any overtly political or emotional debates about it — is the best course.
Again, these mass shootings are now so numerous and disturbing. And remember, they’re being carried out despite the fact there are now, at least, more restrictions on acquiring guns than ever before in our culture (maybe not enough restrictions for some, but it was much easier to buy a gun in previous decades and generations than now).
In the aftermath of these rampages, a colleague of mine invariably laments, “And still no one will DO anything about it.” In other words, there’s gotta be a law — or something — that can be passed by politicians to just make it all stop.
But there is no civil law that can stop man’s innate lawlessness and rebellion when unrestrained by God’s common grace. There’s something much deeper, something very spiritually dark going on here.
Lord, have mercy.
My pastor posted this tonight:
___________________________________
Vigilantism is wrong
Killing babies is wrong
The problem is not guns
The problem is not surgical instruments
____________________________________
Simple and obvious truths, right?
Yet I’m sure the dialogue via comments will be long and lively, some of it predictable. The KKK already has been thrown into the mix.
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“bunch of right-wingers” They should of course be condemned but how many is a bunch?
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Remember, the idiots are louder and, therefore, may seem numerous, but in fact they’re likely just a few.
But of course, they’ll still be characterized as the majority of conservatives or Christians. 🙄
Frustrating but (again) not surprising. It’s the culture in which we find ourselves unfortunately.
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And the left will emphasize the idiots by retweeting them a lot. 🙂
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Yeah, they probably are in the minority & on the fringe, but there are enough of them to make conservatives look bad. There was a famous name among them, but I don’t remember who.
To be honest with ourselves, conservatives also often use a minority of liberals to complain about liberals in general. Since things on social media get shared & re-blogged & re-tweeted & such, a small group can seem much larger.
This whole liberals-vs-conservatives thing is getting so tiring. Rodney King had a good point when he asked if we couldn’t all just get along. (And I fear the answer these days, for many, is “no”.)
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It seems to me I’ve heard that no PP employees were injured. Who were the injured and the other two fatalities?
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That’s exactly what I’ve been wondering myself, kBells. I’ve seen a couple things on Facebook that refer to the shooting as a “terror attack” on PP. I’ve wanted to point out that the people shot were outside the clinic, but I’m not sure that is wholly accurate, so I don’t want to speculate yet.
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