71 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 8-8-15”

  4. Good morning, chirping early birds!
    My phone is almost out of power.
    The bill at the dealership was only $34 and some change. These Japanese cars are a lot less costly than what we paid to keep up our Fords.
    I better head on over to the charger. Will try to stop back in later and see how everyone is doing. 🙂

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  5. I am a new person today. I think I fell asleep a little after 10 last night. I was awake for a little while at 5 but managed to go back to sleep. Amos had had enough at 9:40 and made sure I knew to drag my lazy self up. I have my first cup of coffee and some cinnamon raisin swirl toast. It is still quiet in the house which is just how I like it.
    Mr. P and I will have to go to Mobile later to look for fabric for our clown costumes. We are at a little bit of a bump in the road. He wants the costume to reflect things we are interested in and our personalities. I don’t want any fabric with elephants or stylized A’s on them in red nor white.nor even pink

    http://www.joann.com/search?q=university%20of%20alabama

    I am willing to go with a mixture of red and white prints but that is as far as I can bring myself to go. I also am determined to have the two piece “antique” costume.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/252044509860?lpid=82&chn=ps

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  8. I have been waiting and pondering the sharing of this news with all of you. Between BG’s work schedule and my work schedule and HER social life I really haven’t had time to talk to her about how she feels about it.
    Her father told her Monday that he is engaged. He called me late Monday afternoon to tell me. He was wise enough and kind enough that he didn’t want me to hear it from any other source. I appreciate that and it is what he should have done. As a courtesy I told him about Mr. P and me before I told anyone else. I did ask if it wasn’t a little soon but he assured me that after 3 and a half months he was sure. They aren’t in a hurry to get married. The families haven known each other forever and while she was a few grades behind him in high school it was still a small enough place back then that everyone knew everyone. She seems to fit in with all of his friends because they have all known each other as acquaintances at least all of their lives. It was something that never happened for me. I was never a member of the group. I was 8 years younger on average than any of them.
    Part of me, even after all this time, is somewhat hurt that the group accepts her as one of them but I never was accepted. Then I tell myself to grow up. I left him. I don’t want him back, so why am I jealous that his friends like her?
    As I have told you before I have known who she is for over 20 years. I have met her recently as his girlfriend and even introduced her to BG–which shouldn’t have been my role.
    Remember the guy I told you about who went to prison for 10 years for being involved in an accident that took the life of an 11 year old boy? The child’s father became an ordained minister and helped him get our of prison. Now they travel around and share their testimony. This is his ex-wife.
    Anyway, I just need to guide my child through this latest change in her life. Prayers for wisdom will always be accepted and appreciated.

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  9. My parents are celebrating their 40th anniversary this weekend by doing… nothing 😀 Oh, they had me take a few photos, but they’re content to just do what they always do on the weekend. My mother would be mortified if there was a lot of fuss made over anything; but she keeps saying to those who phoned and congratulate her how thankful she is for everything in her life. There was a time in her life when she thought she would never get married; and there was a time in her life when she was told they couldn’t have children without medical help. The children ended up coming naturally. So, despite the fact that my parents have very little to live on, they consider themselves blessed beyond measure.

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  10. roscuro, I saw the pics on FB this morning. 🙂

    Sleeping in on Saturday is the best. Got the dishwasher loaded, trying to come up with a plan for the day that includes needed housework but also maybe a special walk for my poor neglected dogs of late.

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  12. Kathaleena, thanks for your note to me on Monday’s daily thread regarding sibling-relationship issues. I appreciate your understanding and prayers.

    I looked for the book you mentioned (She’s Your Mother, Too), but couldn’t find it in our local library system, or at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Is it perhaps under a different title now? Who is the author? That sounds like a book I would like to read if I can locate a copy.

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  13. Well, critters are sure being cooperative today. So far today I’ve gotten tom turkeys at a near distance and gleaming in the sun, a group of hen turkeys and half-grown poults with their heads up since they were nervous about the crows flying overhead and cawing, a humorously fluffed-out red-bellied woodpecker male, a Monarch butterfly laying eggs, and a praying mantis eating a bee. That’s not even mentioning photos of four other butterfly species (including one pair courting, one other butterfly possibly laying eggs, and a yellow butterfly on a yellow flower).

    Praying mantises are hard to photograph in terms of focusing on them and not their background and in getting a photo that isn’t so well camouflaged you can’t see the insect . . . but so very confident in its camouflage that it was the easiest critter I’ve ever photographed . . . I could move the camera all around it within three inches of it, and it never once flinched. Most camouflaged creatures will sit still for a period hoping they haven’t been seen, but eventually they panic and flee. But this one never moved at all, either when it was sitting hoping for prey or while it was eating its bee. In fact, it was so unconcerned when I was taking its photo before it caught the bee that it wasn’t even sitting perfectly still; it was cleaning its claws. Perhaps it thought that if necessary it could take me on!

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  14. Men’s fashion trend alert (as the guys here are all quite fashionable, right? 🙂 )

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-06/men-s-fashion-is-headed-for-a-gender-bending-moment-unseen-since-the-70s

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    In January, Gucci’s menswear runway collection was an eye-opener. It wasn’t because the brand had just fired its nearly decadelong creative director Frida Giannini in December, or even because new designer Alessandro Michele had pulled the clothing together in less than a week in his new role.

    It was because the men on the runway looked … like women. ….

    “The concept of androgyny comes up from time to time in fashion,” says Nancy Deihl, director of the costume studies MA program at New York University. “In modern fashion history, two of the most notable examples are in the 1920s and in the late 1960s into the 1970s.”

    Deihl notes that both were periods of social upheaval, which reflected an empowered youth culture.

    “The post-World War I generation and the ‘baby boom’ that created the young population of the 1960s represent times when young people had a lot of economic and cultural influence,” says Diehl. Hello, millennials.
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  15. I predict it doesn’t get far. The MEN who can afford those labels won’t buy it. It will be fashionable for the Glitterati and those copying it will buy knock offs. Next.

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  16. That’s really big news, Kim. It sounds like you all have handled it nicely for BG’s sake.

    I know we are not the same as the old “in crowd” but we all love and accept you, and we may be a tad bit better than the old “in crowd.” If you were accepted by them then we would probably not be blessed by your company here!♡ Thanking God for friendships here and how they have expanded our range of love and knowledge.♡

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  17. I quick search of androgyny in the 1920’s revealed that it was mostly a menswear look–women dressing in fashion design that came from men’s suits. That made a brief return in the 1980’s as well. Yawn.

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  19. I definitely remember the late ’60s and early to mid-’70s looks (and the ‘menswear’ look for women in the 1980s).

    Everything old is new again (if you wait long enough). 🙂 Fashion simply recycles itself for the new ‘young’ generation. Their grandkids will then magically rediscover it all again years from now.

    But I agree, too, that society’s focus recently on transgenderism and gay marriage has likely had an influence on the look’s comeback.

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  20. Michelle and Donna, if you don’t see me on Twitter as much, it is because it tends to freeze up and it takes too long to access someone else’s account for me to do retweets.

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  21. Funny, I remember my mom telling me that some of our styles reminded her of what they wore, too.

    I guess there’s only so much you can do with fashion. Designers always rely on picking up (and then tweaking) looks from past eras, making it all look new again (especially to young people who, of course, don’t remember what people wore 50 years ago).

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  22. Donna, I read the Bloomberg article on fashion, and kept snickering. They think these are somehow androgynous men’s fashions? The close-up of the male model wearing the beret and bowed neckcloth looked like a man from the early Victorian era, down to the longish hair. In fact none of the pictures looked more feminine than masculine, at least not more so than, say, this picture: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Anthony_van_Dyck_-_Lord_John_and_Lord_Bernard_Stuart_-_WGA07425.jpg
    The men of West Africa wear pink, baby blue, lavender, flowered prints, and heavily embroidered outfits; and anyone suggesting they looked feminine could rightly expect a punch in the face. Western fashion designers suffer from a limited imagination.

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  23. Men’s fashions come and go without most men being aware of it.
    I have never – and I have never known of- a man who left a suit or coat in the closet unworn because of a fashion change.

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  24. Chas, haha — you are probably right.

    You don’t want a floppy bow tie & a beret?

    roscuro, well, the look is androgynous within the context of our culture norms.

    I remember the arguments in the 1960s and ’70s about men with long hair and how that wasn’t particularly new. The older generation wasn’t buying it though. 😉

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  26. Remember “leisure” suits for men? shudder.

    Attempts to break up what has become the standard business uniform for western men (the well-tailored suit with jacket and straight tie) haven’t been successful, in the long run at least.

    Women’s fashions (at least nowadays) have much more flexibility and aren’t as rigid, thankfully.

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  27. Within the larger context, the current trend in men’s fashions should mean absolutely nothing. Men have worn ruffles and lace before, they may do so again. It is only those who think human gender distinctions are only based on outward appearance that see any significance in men wearing ruffles and lace. I recently saw an article by a lesbian who was complaining that ‘straight’ women were starting to adopt the ‘butch’ (read masculine) style that lesbians often wear to identify themselves. For all they talk about overcoming stereotypes, they are extremely occupied with preserving them. I noticed several of those pictures of men whose fashions they considered bordering on the feminine were of obvious African origin. Those men would not look out of place amongst the alpha/macho males in their continent of ethnic origin; and the author’s interpretation of their clothing is based on Western culture. It is all so extraordinarily narrow-minded of people who pride themselves on being broad-minded.

    Those of us who believe that sex is biologically based in our origin from the first man and woman should know that the changing the outward appearance does not change that distinction. Men of the Elizabethan era wore great pearl earrings, and boys played the parts of women onstage in Shakespeare’s plays. Yet we do not make the mistake of assuming that homosexuality was rampant then. Both men and women in the 1700s powdered and painted their faces and wore powdered wigs. Yet we do not view that era as being particularly androgynous. Conversely, in the Roman Imperial era, when men wore their hair very short and women wore elaborate braided hairstyles, and clothing was strictly coded by sex and social status, homosexuality was widespread and practiced openly. The Bible commands against deliberately assuming the garb of the opposite sex; but that does not mean we assume the worst when a man wears ruffles on his shirt, or when a woman wears ties, because neither does the Bible say what kind of clothing is masculine or feminine. Thus, women may wear trousers in Bangladesh, and men may wear long robes in the Middle East, and neither can be accused of trying to blur the distinction of the sexes. Nevertheless, we all know when a man or woman is trying to assume the role of the opposite sex; it has less to do with the articles of clothing they choose and more to do with how they act.

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  28. Donna remembers back in the 60’s & 70’s when men wore long hair.
    Correction Donna. You remember when BOYS wore long hair
    Chuck went through that phase.
    He had long hair one time
    He had a beard once.
    Both are long gone.
    I have seen old men with long hair that never changed styles. I have seen men bald on top with hair to their shoulders.
    That is not the style. Never was

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  29. The trouble with long hair is that is more difficult to care for.
    Becky used to have beautiful red hair down her back.
    She is married with three children now.
    She has nice read hair almost to her shoulders.

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  31. Kim, that is a pretty big change for your BG, and I hope that she handles it OK, and that they do too. (Does the bride have children?)

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  32. At our Sunday School meeting the director told the story of a young man wanting his drivers license and his dad said if he would read his Bible daily and get his hair cut that they would discuss it in a month or so. The young man did read his Bible, but when the dad asked about the haircut the young man said he noticed most all the men in the Bible had long hair. The dad thought for a moment and told son that they all walked, too.

    Most of you may have heard that. It was new to me.

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  35. Thank you for your kind words Janice.

    DONNA, remember the ultimate fashion rule…If you are old enough to remember it the first time you are TOO OLD to wear it the second time. You can’t even keep it in your closet to let your children wear because they tweak it just enough.

    The Soon to be New Mrs. C. has grown children and at least one grandchild. Her daughter has some issues so grandmother has grandson during the week and his father has him on the weekends. His name is along the lines of a Trio of musicians from the 60’s starting with a K and since my FIL’s nanny called him the Little Kingfish after Huey P Long they all think it is quite the co- inky- dink. I have to respect her for taking care of her grandchild and I refuse to say anything negative about her daughter (even though I have heard them from the father) –I haven’t gotten my own child to adulthood yet. Although today when she was laughing about her dad having a toddler around the house I told her Mr. P and I weren’t signing up for that.

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  37. When I go shopping and see something cute, I so often think, “Oh, how cute that would look on a young girl ….”

    We don’t appreciate the fact (when we’re younger) that we can carry off just about anything, from super long hair to the more dramatic makeup looks to funky beat-up/faded sneakers (well, OK, I still keep some of those for my dog walks) and fringed shoulder bags (I had a favorite that was turquoise — with a peace symbol — that I’d bought in Mexico City when I was in college; saw something similar a few months ago in Target, just for laughs put it on my shoulder to check the mirror and was pretty much horrified 😦 😦 ).

    But it would be very, very cute on someone younger … 🙂

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  38. Kim says men don’t leave things in the closet necause of fashion change. Wrong. I had a suit in the closet for years from the early 80s that was powder blue. Ot looked stylish back then but not now. I think it went to Goodwill a few years ago.

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  40. Good Sunday morning to all but Jo who I hope will be having a good snoozing evening.

    Almost time for church. I am looking forward to being there. A lot of sweet people. We just lost amother saint who had preached a sermon when he was 100 to our congregation. He would have soon been 102. He leaves his wife to go wait for her in heaven.♡

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  41. Church way into the future for me, at 3 p.m. today.

    But I guess I’ve mentioned that a few times. 🙄 Sigh.

    I am getting used to sleeping later on Sundays, though — it could be a bit of an adjustment when we get back into our remodeled space and return to 10 a.m. worship.

    One of our denomination’s retired pastors is preaching today while our own pastor and his family is in Hawaii on vacation — and posting lots of beautiful & fun photos. One picture showed just their legs sticking straight up out of the water as they ‘stood’ upside down on their hands, pretty funny.

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  42. For you ladies who wear head-coverings to church – What kind of head-covering do you wear? Do you wear them only at church, or all the time? (I had a friend who wore hers all the time.)

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  43. We have a few women who wear head coverings, usually a scarf of some kind — one woman, an immigration attorney who has since moved out of the area, usually came with a large, loose kind of silk scarf she’d wear around her shoulders and then put over her head when the service started. Her husband did not attend church.

    Another woman, who also moved when her company relocated to another state, wore what’s commonly known as a snood.

    My Christian homeschooling friends in NY (or at least friends of theirs) also were wearing head coverings for the home prayer and home church meetings last time I visited, but that was a number of years ago.

    Am I right in understanding that head coverings are meant for married women only?

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  45. We’ve also had African American women in our church who wear hats (you don’t want to sit right behind them 🙂 ) — but i’m not sure if they consider that “head coverings” in the religious sense or if they are more of a fashion tradition.

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  47. 6 arrows, I had to do a lot of searching. Finally found the book on ebay. I tracked back to my library to see if it was the one and it was. The title is, They’re Your Parents, Too. The author is Francine Russo. I am sorry for steering you in the wrong direction with the title. Must have been a Freudian slip on my part. 😉 Nevertheless, I did find it helpful. There was some real wounding and some still going on in our family. Hopefully, it will be better someday.

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  50. Thanks much, Kathaleena — I found two copies of the book in our area library system, and one of them will be shipped to my local library this week. Easy peasy! (And I didn’t spend a lot of time before looking under the other title, just typed it in at three different websites, so hardly anything at all.) 🙂

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  51. I don’t know how I would like to have to have my head covered in church. A hat sure, but anything else…probably not.
    I semi cleaned house this afternoon. I also put together two appetizers for my Bible study dinner tomorrow night. We are taking August off but decided to have dinner at someone’s home. The theme is My favorite things. I am helpless over appetizers so I decided that is what I would make. I made Chicken Walnut Pate (that is what the long ago recipe called it). I know longer have the cookbook or the recipe but I have made it so often I don’t have to think much about it. Garlic, cream cheese, mayonaisse, dill weed, walnuts and a large can of white meat chicken. I don’t know why but it doesn’t taste right if you don’t used canned chicken.
    I also made bruschetta, but that might not make it until tomorrow night.
    We are also doing another potluck at work later this month. I have had several requests to bring tomato pie again, even thought it is what I took in July.
    Between all of that I have sat outside and read a book. It is August in the South so it is hot. It is worse than Africa hot. I have guzzled cold water and applied and reapplied sunscreen. I am just locked up inside all day every day during the week. I have to have some sunlight.

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  52. Karen, I wear some sort of crocheted thing one of my children made for me. Looks rather like a beanie but then, I am not very fashion concerned and I do love my children. I only wear it during church though we had considered all of the time since we are to pray always. I don’t currently know anybody else who wears one at all. Mine is out of appreciation for the angels. Husband says it changed our lives radically to the good.

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  53. We had an enjoyable last few days. On Thursday, we went up into the mountains to a place called Indian Post Office. It is part of the old Nimipu (Nezperce) trail, where the people walked over the mountains to Montana each year. Once they got horses, it was easier, but still quite the challenge. Anyway, part of the tribe has been working on reopening that section and had a dedication ceremony at the site. We went up and had lunch at Howard Camp and then rode in the back of a truck to the trailhead. We walked the 2.2 miles to the dedication ceremony while some of the Nimipu rode the trail on horseback. Amazingly, the three youngest and I arrived at the site before any of the horse riders. Turns out, they met a bald faced hornet nest and that held them up. Anyway, our nice meal of buffalo, salmon, camas root, and a few other tasties tided us over well. Then we watched the horse ceremony by some beautiful Appaloosas and their riders in their regalia. It was interesting to see how they worked out the religious aspect as some are adherents to the Long House religion while others were Christians. The view was spectacular. But it always is in the mountains. We were at the top of a mountain at about seven thousand feet looking to the east with mountains spreading out far and wide, trees everywhere, not a bit of human habitation.

    Then I thought of the Chinese and others who use every bit of their land for the people. They live in mountains like that. Whew.

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  54. Well, the drama over the “party” tomorrow night continues. I’m not going, because there was no way to make everyone happy and I didn’t want to go . . . so why go if it won’t please people? Then I was glad I had RSVPd no when I got an extremely manipulative e-mail with the assumption that I was coming (among other things, reminding me that I had to spend money because of money they’ve spent on our family in past years . . . proving my point that it wasn’t going to work to go and not buy anything, and since I didn’t want to buy anything and my husband didn’t want me to buy anything, it wasn’t going to be possible to make everyone happy).

    Anyway, we would appreciate prayers that we would be able to respond to it all in a way that honors God. To the best of our knowledge, we’ve done everything possible to keep peace. (I’m not even repeating here what extended family relationships are involved, just that it is people we care about.) But when other people are insisting things have to be done exactly their way or you are proving you don’t care about them, and you know it won’t bring peace even if you allow yourself to be manipulated into following all the proper steps in the proper order, then sometimes you simply have to say no.

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  55. I’ve read arguments for both sides of the head-covering issue. Back in WMB days, there were several ladies who had arguments in favor.

    One argument against the necessity of head-coverings in these days is that supposedly, in biblical times, prostitutes didn’t cover their heads, which was seen as brazen, so it was expected that godly women should cover their heads. (I may not have that quite correct, as it’s been a while since I read it.) Supposedly, today we should take the matter to mean a wife being under her husband’s “covering” by being properly submissive to him.

    But the question has niggled away in the back of my mind, coming to the forefront every now & then. (I do wonder what that reference to the angels means.) Lately, although it is not a practice in my church, I am feeling that God is prompting me to start making head-covering in church a practice (for myself). I’m just not sure I how will go about it.

    Our old friend Cameron (from WMB days) wears kerchiefs. That’s what I may do.

    Donna brought up another question I had. Is head-covering only for married women, or for all adult women (or even girls of a certain age)? And again – Do some of you, or others you know, wear them all the time?

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  57. You’re a stronger woman than I, Cheryl. I think I would cave in that situation. I’d go to the party & buy something inexpensive. And I’d probably hate it.

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  58. Wow, Cheryl, usually I feel badly about having a really small family, but you are making me appreciative that it is just me and the three guys, husband, son, and brother. None of the guys do “parties!” Sorry to hear how that is all turning out for you all.

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  59. Karen, my husband told me not to buy anything, so I’d be dishonoring him if I did buy. But I wouldn’t have pleased them if I had merely gone, without buying, and I wouldn’t have him there to support me, so I decided I’d rather not go and be at their mercy.

    Karen, re the head-covering: Does your husband want you to wear one? Does he care either way? For me, my husband would not want me to, so it would certainly not be a sign of submission if I were to stick out by being the only one wearing a head covering, and against my husband’s wishes (because he does not believe it’s biblical for today).

    I studied the issue one semester in college (for a semester-long assignment in our hermeneutics class), and basically there are three positions: the “covering” was a woman’s long hair; the covering was a cover over the hair, but it was a cultural thing; and the covering is a cover over the hair, and it’s for all time. Commentators were about evenly divided as to which it meant. (Incidentally, that’s part of the reason I choose to wear my hair long; I do think Scripture says women should do so, though that doesn’t necessarily mean “really long,” just not boyishly short. But I choose to wear it fairly long, and plan never to wear it shorter than about shoulder length unless at some point it becomes impossible.) With three possible interpretations and no agreement on them, I figure I’m “covered” with two out of three of the interpretations, and in my case, wearing a separate covering would actually dishonor my husband.

    BTW, my husband is not at all hard to please, and he’s not demanding. These just happen to be two matters he cares about. We only talked about the head covering in passing once, but he does have an opinion on it.

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  60. Cheryl – (re: the party) That’s a good point. If my husband told me not to buy anything, I would not.

    (re: head-coverings) Had you previously been in favor of them on WMB?

    Lee told me it is up to me.

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  62. Karen, it took several years of niggling for me to go that route. Husband was comfortable with it. We don’t care if it was cultural because angels are not really cultural though they might appear to be in some of our culture….

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  63. Every time I read through the Bible it was there. Over the years, I did meet a few women who wore them. Some wore them all of the time, others only at church. We shocked people when we started, and then it was a nice kerchief type thing. They argued vehemently, especially the women, but they eventually got over it. Or they didn’t but they stopped trying to convert me back to normalcy. It will have to be a decision you and Lee make together. If you do it, expect to rile some folk as they don’t want to think it might be possibly important. They prefer it to be cultural. If I am wrong, it won’t matter that I chose to wear it. If they are wrong, God will let them know in His time and does not need me to try to persuade them. Do what you believe God is calling you to do that does not conflict with other Scriptures.

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  64. I’ve decided that if I do, & if I am questioned about it, I would tell them pretty much what I wrote above, & that it is something between me & God, that I am not saying they need to do the same thing.

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  66. Karen, no, I had not previously been in favor on WMB; I would have said about what I said above, except without the husband bit. I don’t remember the conversation exactly, but I said something like some women do it to show submission to their husbands, and he said, “Well, you wouldn’t be showing submission to me, because I don’t agree with it” or something like that.

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  67. Mumsee, I don’t think it’s fair to assume motives as in folks being “riled . . . because they don’t want to think it is important.” That’s likely the case with some people; others may have some other issue (such as seeing it as potentially divisive, legalistic, etc.). Obviously I don’t judge your motives in wearing it, but I do think that it should go both ways, that people can in good conscience make either choice (though you can, “in good conscience” still be wrong).

    For me personally, if after a semester of studying it, there was no clarity on the issue, I wasn’t going to “take a stand” in doing it. I don’t mind sticking out–I’ve never in my life followed fashions–but I’m not going to start doing something as though it is a biblical absolute when I’m not convinced that it is. (And obviously the decision is made for me as a married woman whose husband has an opinion on the matter, anyway. If I were to start wearing a head covering, people would think I was doing so as an elder’s wife, that he believed it to be biblical, and I obviously would in fact not be acting under his authority.)

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  68. There are some Mennonite ladies, I believe, in local homeschooling circles whom I’ve seen wearing head coverings (outside worship settings, so I assume they wear them all the time, then). Their daughters who have reached puberty also wear them.

    I’ve never worn any sort of head covering for any reason, and don’t intend to. I guess I consider my hair, which goes halfway down my back, to be my covering.

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  69. I’d probably not want to go to the party either — but if I did, I’d probably wind up having a good time. That happens to me a lot.

    Hearing and feeling big booms over here tonight, enough to launch Tess into my lap (she’s way too big for that). They seem to have stopped now, but it was kind of odd, you could hear them (from the waterfront I think) and the house vibrated. Maybe the Iowa was shooting off its guns again.

    I can’t imagine making much any big deal over head coverings or not … Some women wear them, most don’t, no one really seems to care about (or even notice) the other, to be honest. 🙂

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  71. You ladies surely are chatty.
    I only wear a head cover to keep the sun off.
    😆

    Elvera doesn’t wear on at all. But she used to wear a little cap that barely covered her head.

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