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Our Daily Thread 6-20-15

Good Morning!

Happy Father’s Day!!!!

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On this day in 1782 Congress approved the Great Seal of the United States.

In 1793 Eli Whitney applied for a cotton gin patent.

In 1941 the U.S. Army Air Forces was established, replacing the Army Air Corps.

In 1943 race-related rioting erupted in Detroit. Federal troops were sent in two days later to end the violence that left more than 30 dead.

And in 1967 Muhammad Ali was convicted in Houston of violating Selective Service laws by refusing to be drafted. The U.S. Supreme Court later overturned the conviction.

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Quote of the Day

“Lead from the front.”

Audie Murphy

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Today is Chet Atkins’ birthday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i3ZMoymgqbU

And it’s Alan Longmuir’s too. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cRLrZ66bwPQ

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Anyone have a QoD?

62 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 6-20-15”

  1. I didn’t know the AF was created in 1941. I thought it was part of the army throughout the wwar.

    Chet is one of my favorites. I have several of his albums.

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  4. Someone trained Lulabelle to ignore Kim?

    Thanx for the funnies Peter. WorldMag always sends me a copy every Friday. But for some reason, it may be my computer. I only get the first one. I don’t have the arrow to get the other ones. I don’t know what the difference is.

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  8. You are correct Chas the AF was not established until 47…My Dad was part of the Naval Air Corp….I suppose the Army established their own air corp? Morning all 🙂

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  9. I got this one, Aj. When it finished I went to the one you have with Chet and Marty Robbins. I like both of them.
    In another place, Chet says he developed his picking style by trying to imitate Merle Travis and got confused.
    I saw Chet at Wolf Trap once. I never saw Marty Robbins in person.
    I also saw Roy Clark and some of his henchmen at Wolf Trap.

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  10. The Army Air Forces were abolished with the creation of the United States Air Force in 1947.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=United_States_Air_Force

    “The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare service branch of the United States Armed Forces and one of the seven American uniformed services. Initially part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on 18 September 1947 under the National Security Act of 1947.[7] It is the most recent branch of the U.S. military to be formed, and is the largest and one of the world’s most technologically advanced air forces.”

    “The U.S. War Department created the first antecedent of the U.S. Air Force in 1907, which through a succession of changes of organization, titles, and missions advanced toward eventual separation 40 years later. In World War II, almost 68,000 U.S airmen died helping to win the war; only the infantry suffered more enlisted casualties.[14] In practice, the U.S. Army Air Forces (USAAF) was virtually independent of the Army during World War II, but officials wanted formal independence. The National Security Act of 1947 was signed on on 26 July 1947 by President Harry S Truman, which established the Department of the Air Force, but it was not not until 18 September 1947, when the first secretary of the Air Force, W. Stuart Symington was sworn into office that the Air Force was officially formed.[15][16]

    The act created the National Military Establishment (renamed Department of Defense in 1949), which was composed of three subordinate Military Departments, namely the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, and the newly created Department of the Air Force.[17] Prior to 1947, the responsibility for military aviation was shared between the Army (for land-based operations), the Navy (for sea-based operations from aircraft carriers and amphibious aircraft), and the Marine Corps (for close air support of infantry operations). The 1940s proved to be important in other ways as well. In 1947, Captain Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier in his X-1 rocket-powered aircraft, beginning a new era of aeronautics in America.”

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  11. Kim, make sure she gets enough exercise. That makes a difference in obedience, especially for a young dog from a high-energy breed. (One of many reasons I don’t want a Lab.)

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  12. I’m sitting here drinking coffee admiring the new landscaping in my back yard (hire a kid) and waiting for the Strawberry Shortcake brunch to begin. Adorable granddaughter #2 is celebrating her fourth birthday at my house.

    She doesn’t know we’ve installed a fountain since she was here a week ago. Tee hee!

    Children growing up is such a odd experience. I see the adorable soften, but not daily. Even though the oldest is only 7, it feels like I’ve know them forever–which I have from their point of view. It also seems like much longer than 7 years–I can hardly remember when they weren’t around, but obviously it wasn’t that long ago. Stargazer had already left for college before they arrived but, then, he’s been gone nearly 10 years.

    But he returns on Wednesday for the duration–or he finds a job. The revolving guest room gets another happy workout!

    See you later. I need to sweep up.

    Happy a calmer Lulubell is back. Dogs that jump up drive me crazy.

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  13. Considering that what we call the Confederate flag wasn’t really the official flag of the Confederacy, but the Virginia battle flag I wonder why it became the popular symbol rather than the actual Confederate national flag. Because it was associated with Gen. Lee?

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  14. The Confederate Flag
    They are likely flying it because it irritates so many people.
    I wasn’t living in SC at the time, but I believe it was Ernest Hollings, then governor of SC, later to become Senator, who hoisted the Confederate flag under the Stars & Stripes, and the State palm tree. It was the third flag on the pole above the state capitol. That was done in 1960, the 100th anniversary of the separation of SC from the union in 1860.
    The flag flew for decades until someone discovered that they could be offended by it.
    That, you have to know, is the reason for the hubbub. Something to be offended at..
    After a few years of harassment, they took the flag down and placed it elsewhere on the capitol grounds. Nobody noticed. Nobody cared.
    But soddenly, someone was offended. Thin it started over.
    I don’t watch MSNBC, but it is on the news section, just up from One American News, Fox News, Fox Business, MSNBC & CNBC. So I scan across it occasionally. Last night, the flag on the statehouse grounds was the issue.
    My position?
    I don’t care. I think they should keep it there so MSNBC will have something to whine about. Otherwise they will go after the Washington Redskins and Mississippi Rebels.

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  18. I’ll take 53 over 82. 🙂

    I slept in and needed it. Feeling still a bit like the wind has been knocked out of my sails after the past few days.

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  19. Kim, did they give you ‘homework’? I don’t work with my dogs as much as I should, but I do make them sit for food at least. 🙂 And sometimes I make them wait a while before I put the dish down.

    Mine have both been through several obedience classes in the years that I’ve had them (but neither have ever been what I’d call hyperactive). The classes actually can be fun times. Like everything, dog training techniques are always evolving as they learn new and better ways to teach dogs to be more like people. 🙂

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  20. Nothing to say

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132670/Dylann-Roof-manifesto-Killer-unveils-Charleston-target-church-massacre-calls-black-people-stupid-violent-complains-s-no-real-KKK-help-him.html

    Except he ends with this: “Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already.”

    So I guess we can be thankful for small favors. 😦 😦 😦

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  21. But then there’s this from the Wall Street Journal: “A Bow to Charleston: In the pain, a moving example of Christian forgiveness / A northerner bows, deeply, to the south”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2015/06/19/a-bow-to-charleston/

    ” … As I watched I felt I was witnessing something miraculous. I think I did. It was people looking into the eyes of evil, into the eyes of the sick and ignorant shooter who’d blasted a hole in their families, and explaining to him with the utmost forbearance that there is a better way.
    What a country that makes such people. Do you ever despair about America? If they are America we are going to be just fine. … “

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  22. Those were true saints who basically, it seems, died as unsuspecting martyrs. If this situation does happen to bring about racial reconcilliation like we’ve never known, then I suspect if the people could have known what they would be remembered for and give their lives for, they probably would have chosen the sacrifice. They were all good, and beyond good, people as their loving faces reflect the light of Jesus to my spirit.

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  23. Chas,
    I grew up and lived in SoCal until I was 60. The older I got the less I liked heat. Now, 78 is too warm for me. If it is cool, 53, I can always put on more clothes.

    In the 6 years we have lived here I have never turned on the air conditioner.

    It rarely gets below freezing here and I enjoy a fire in the fireplace. As a matter of fact, I think I will light one tonight.

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  24. I have only turned on the air conditioner once this year. But I may do so today. The weather person says it’s supposed to get to 88 degrees this afternoon.
    I was reared in South Carolina. We didn’t have air conditioning when I was a kid, so I’m used to it. I still turn in on when it gets above 85.

    It’s FATHER’s day!
    I’m a father, grandfather and great grandfather. So all of you are supposed to be nice to me today for a change.
    But it’s started out the same.
    Chuck will call this afternoon, that’s about it.

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  25. HAPPY FATHER’S DAY!!!!

    Trying to be nice to Chas, but it’s really difficult to not say something snarky. But I better be good because if I am not I may receive a paw swat from Lady Boss Boz. She knows how to keep me in line.

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  28. Yes, it’s father’s day, but more importantly Father’s day. I’m glad my church pretty much ignores Mother’s and Father’s days. They may (or may not) say “Happy Father’s Day to fathers” but will not choose “Faith of Our Fathers” (or, definitely worse, “Faith of Our Mothers” as though “fathers” meant literal fathers) as one of the hymns, and we will not get a sermon based on the holiday. This is the Lord’s Day. It’s fine for children to honor their parents today, but distracting when a church service becomes a service to honor mothers, fathers, veterans, America, etc., and not the risen Lord.

    That said, Happy Father’s Day to all who are fathers.

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  30. I sent BG a text to at least tell her father Happy Father’s Day. I sent a message to Son’s 2 and 3 that it is Father’s Day. #2 is in France so who knows when he will see the message and do anything about it. #3 is just in Pensacola, but I suspect he feels about me the way BG feels about Mr. P. or maybe he is still just self centered. He make offers to his dad that he doesn’t keep.
    So, Amos and Lulabelle got a little something for their Human to celebrate him taking them to the dog park, for rides, feeding them, and various other animal related things he does. Of course, just as with children they needed my help and my money to get it so I guess I will just take the credit for it.

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  32. The boys are off on an adventure. They were supposed to be going on a practice backpacking trip with the guy who is taking the seventeen year old up into the China mountains by Tibet, but they are also supposed to be loading traps at the Father’s Day trap shoot. So, they will get a late start. They will see the guy’s truck at the trailhead and then head up into the wilderness. If they catch the guy, they will camp with him, if not, they are on their own. I reminded them to hang their food high up in a tree. It should be another great confidence builder for them and they are excited! I am proud of them.

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  33. We had a good service today. Fathers were asked to stand and prayer was said over them as they are leaders of their families andteaching children to follow Christ. That was it for Father’s Day except for a hymn about the Christian home and a solo, Watercolor Ponies, sung by a dad whose daughter is in high school. We had a sermon continuing going through Luke, about inviting people to the banquet. At the very first of the service we had some words about Charleston and had quiet reflection on that specifically.

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  34. Fathers got a round of applause, but no other recognition. Fathers Day was, after all, an afterthought.
    We prayed for the Muslims today also. Our church has a ministry to the Pashtun people, both in Afghanistan and the DC area. Today is the first day of Ramadan, so one of our missionaries spoke to us for a couple of minutes and we had a prayer.
    I know what Ramadan is, but I didn’t realize that Muslims can’t even have a drink of water until sundown. I need to verify that.
    And we prayed for the situation in Charleston. More on that. ,

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  38. Happy Father’s Day to all.

    Church is late for me today — 3 p.m. — but I’m guessing that aside from a casual expression of saying happy Father’s Day in the opening greeting remarks, nothing special will be said or done in our service either (which, like Cheryl, I also appreciate). This also will be our first meeting at what will be a temporary space while our own facility is remodeled. Another church has graciously allowed us in for the summer (and it’s somewhat closer to home for me), but it will feel strange to meet in the afternoons.

    Our sermon today is from Acts (and by a guest minister whose name I don’t recognize):

    Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour. 2 And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms from those who entered the temple; 3 who, seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, asked for alms. 4 And fixing his eyes on him, with John, Peter said, “Look at us.” 5 So he gave them his attention, expecting to receive something from them. 6 Then Peter said, “Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.” 7 And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. 8 So he, leaping up, stood and walked and entered the temple with them—walking, leaping, and praising God. 9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God. 10 Then they knew that it was he who sat begging alms at the Beautiful Gate of the temple; and they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.
    (Acts 3:1-10)

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  39. Pastor Steve made an observation in his sermon today that applies. He didn’t relate it to the Charleston situation. But it applies.

    ”When the adnormal becomes normal,
    The normal becomes adnormal

    He applied it to the guy who became a woman. It is ad normal in the popular culture to think that is not normal. That is, in so many areas of our culture, the adnormal is normal and the normal is adnormal. As I said he didn’t apply it to Charleston, but think if this.

    This Roof fellow saw Baltimore and Ferguson and thought he could start a race war because it is normal start a riot about such things. And indeed, Sharpton headed that way.
    What he didn’t consider is that he went into a Christian church and these are adnormal people by today’s culture.
    When tragedy strikes, Christians gather around each other, not to fight but to unite and pray.

    I think they’re trying to start something about the Confederate flag, That is the normal thing to do.

    (How the adnormal becomes normal is a study of the Overton Window, which I have mentioned previously.)

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  40. We went through part of second Timothy today, it was the last sermon for our pastor. Lots of tears.

    The Muslims we have known have partied hard after sunset and before sunrise. Eating more during Ramadan than during any other time of the year.

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  42. I didn’t know they had fans in church anymore. I can remember when the local funeral homes provided church fans.
    I would imagine a large building in Charleston would be air conditioned.
    Those people had to know the TV camera would be on them.

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  43. Some of those buildings may be hard to air-condition with the tall ceilings and huge spaces … The church I belonged to before the one I’m in now was OK as long as it was early in the morning on Sunday, but by the time the service ended (if it was a really hot day), it was pretty uncomfortable. They used fans and air circulators, but a-c was always an expense I guess they felt they couldn’t take on.

    We used our bulletins to fan ourselves 🙂 but I think some people did have actual church fans they brought (it was a racially-mixed Presbyterian church).

    From the clip above, looks like they may have had some non-believing folks in attendance, they looked distracted & seemed not to quite know what to do during the corporate prayer.

    This incident has unexpectedly opened a way, by the way, for more open ministry on FB 🙂

    Got into an interesting and very open discussion about forgiveness with a couple folks. One of the commenters, not a believer, suggested the families expressed forgiveness because it was somehow psychologically easier for them to handle the enormity of what had happened.

    I thought about it overnight before responding, but this morning said I though forgiving one’s enemies did not come either naturally or easy to any of us, but it was only by God’s grace & knowing our own forgiveness before God that people could do such a thing.

    While nonbelievers rant and rage in anger over guns & racism, I’m noticing the Christians on FB taking an entirely different approach — focusing instead on the compassion and turning to God in what is surely a time of mourning. And I think some folks, who are seeing this entirely from a divisive, political point of view, don’t know quite what to make of all that.

    I will say I’m surprised to see some very liberal folks suddenly talking about capital punishment in a whole different light …

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  44. Chas, I can verify it. No food or water from sunrise to sundown (first call to prayer to last call to prayer). It was planting season the Ramadan I witnessed, and we were so concerned about them working in the hot sun with no water. Even breastfeeding mothers are expected to fast (although not pregnant women), which resulted in some malnourished babies that were treated. Children, thankfully, are not expected to fast until they’re about fifteen.

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  48. Donna, it would be hard on any human being. The only way a Muslim can get out of the fast is by being sick, traveling, or fighting against the enemies of Islam. The first two will have to be made up later to the amount of days lost sometime within the year before the next fast. Since menstruation is included in the sickness category and Ramadan lasts a month, every woman of childbearing age will have to spend at least one week making up the fast.
    Charity is supposed to be given during Ramadan as well. The television programming coming out of the Mid-East had special programs and advertisements about all the charity work going on – reminding one of the similar charity programming around Christmas time.

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  49. Indeed, Chas, it could be very dangerous, especially when you consider that Islamic countries centre around some of the hottest places on earth, and that most of the people are far too poor to be even able to consider such luxuries as air conditioned houses. The wonder is that more do not die.

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  52. Another thing to remember is the beginning and the end of each day of fast is marked by the sun. So, in the summer (planting season) the day are somewhat longer, unless one is on the equator. Ramadan does move, since it is based on the lunar calendar, but June has the longest days for any country north of the equator. There was about an hour and a half’s difference in length between December and June, and that was just about 14 degrees north – it would be more in places like the Sahara or Saudi Arabia.

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  53. Our church always takes a moment, at least, to address Mother’s Day and Father’s Day. This year was better than usual. The mention was less and more reasonable, IMO. The fathers received a booklet.

    We also had a moment of silence in honor of the church that suffered the murders. We prayed for their loved ones.

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  54. Kim @ 10:36am: When did the English language change to that everyone uses the “and I” improperly?

    Since teachers emphasized “(someone else) and I” as the subject of the verb when children said “me and (someone else)”. Most people got it drilled in to their heads that they started using “and I” for the object of a verb as well. I even had a friend who would use it in the possessive case: “my wife and I’s house”.

    Chas: What is “adnormal”? I think you mean abnormal.

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  56. Peter – When I am writing, such as a comment on Facebook, I will rewrite the phrasing of a sentence to avoid using “_____ & me” because, although I would be using it correctly, I know some would think it wasn’t.

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  59. Well, it’s after 6 p.m. and I am (just) home from church. Very strange, the pastor said something about how it’s really nap time for all of us …

    Nice facility, the chairs are more comfortable than our old ones (which will be replaced in the remodel), but the sound system is too loud.

    Still, we kept our usual liturgy/pattern of worship — the guest minister was from our sister church in Orange County, I’ve heard him before, he’s excellent, I just didn’t recognize his name when they sent the email out.

    Apparently our pastor preached at his church this morning, so they swapped places. But our pastor was there this afternoon — out in the street, directing traffic into the correct parking lot as this was our first time at this place. 🙂 He’s versatile.

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  60. Another Ramadan fact, not only do neither food nor water pass their lips from sunrise to sunset, but they also feel that they shouldn’t even swallow their saliva but rather spit it out, which further dehydrates them.

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  61. How can tomorrow be Monday already?

    Just watched the last part of that remake of The Omen, jumped out of my seat a couple times.

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