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Our Daily Thread 7-22-14

Good Morning!

On this day in 1796 Cleveland was founded by General Moses Cleaveland. 

In 1798 the USS Constitution was underway and out to sea for the first time since being launched on October 21, 1797. 

In 1933 Wiley Post ended his around-the-world flight. He had traveled 15,596 miles in 7 days, 18 hours and 45 minutes. 

In 1941 plans for the Pentagon were presented to the House Subcommittee on Appropriations. 

And in 2003 Saddam Hussein’s sons Odai and Qusai died after a gunfight with U.S. forces. 

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Quote of the Day

“Good manners have much to do with the emotions. To make them ring true, one must feel them, not merely exhibit them.”

Amy Vanderbilt

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Today is Kevin Breuner’s birthday. So it’s Smalltown Poets, from okc91fm

It’s also Aleksey Igudesman’s. It’s different, I’ll say that.

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Anyone have a QoD?

61 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 7-22-14”

  3. I’m already up, had breakfast, and waiting for the paperperson.
    I stopped by to see what’s going on, and nothing is.
    I meant to rave Saturday but forgot about it.
    It’s good that I can forget about it.
    My leg, I’m talking about.
    It still hurts occasionally, but only occasionally.
    Not the constant hurting I had a couple of weeks ago.

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  5. Glad to hear that the leg is a rave, Chas.
    Tomorrow is a national holiday here – Rememberance Day, I think it is like our Memorial Day.
    I had friends for dinner who are just back from furlough. So nice to visit. This couple comes from my same church, we are the same age and have children the same age. They also stayed in the church missions house. But, they have been here ten years longer than I have. I had them over and they shared and showed videos before I came. Yup, God used them to bring me here.
    Glad to have the first day of school as a holiday! Time to finish up the last bit of preparations. Also praises that I was not too badly hurt today when I fell off a chair while doing a bulletin board.

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  6. Linda,

    Spelling error. I double checked the spelling of his name and it’s correct.

    http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Cleveland,_Ohio?rec=687

    “Cleveland was the first settlement founded in the Connecticut Western Reserve by the Connecticut Land Company. It was named after General Moses Cleaveland, an investor in the company who led the survey of its land within the Western Reserve. The town was located along the eastern bank of the Cuyahoga River. Because of a spelling error on the original map, the community has always been spelled Cleveland instead of Cleaveland. The first survey of Cleveland was completed in 1796, and it included 220 lots. The company originally charged fifty dollars for lots in the settlement and found that few people were willing to pay that much to live there. As late as 1800, a company representative reported that only three men lived in Cleveland. Ten years later, there were only fifty-seven residents. Despite its small population, Cleveland became the Cuyahoga County seat in 1807.”

    And like most people, one visit to Cleveland was enough for him. 😯

    Came, surveyed, left, and never returned. I can understand that. 🙂

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  7. The most wonderful story unfolded Sunday night on Facebook and I didn’t have the time to tell all of you about it yesterday.
    Back in 2010 we (Guy and me) represented a condo development in Gulf Shore. Many of the units were being leased out as apartments. One of the property managers was a woman I became good friends with. She and I knew a lot of the same people. She was very involved with her church and the children’s ministry. I have only known her as the woman she is today and as a Christian.
    Sunday night she posted that she had kept her secret long enough and God had been calling her to share it. She was afraid she would lose friends, but she had been in a special Bible study and through that found healing and had to share her story. She had spoken earlier in the day at her church.
    She told all the world of FB that when she was 19 years old she had an abortion. She said she was so involved in the pro-choice movement that she even worked for the Women’s Health Center and had assisted in over 5,000 abortions. She even signed the paperwork to have a Catholic priest arrested for protesting in front of the clinic.
    The responses on FB were wonderful. People assured her she had not lost their friendship and many thanked her for sharing her story. She posted information about the Bible study and healing she went through and asked anyone to get in touch with her privately if they would like more information. Someone asked her about the priest and she recalled that she probably had him arrested in 1993. Within a few hours someone had looked up the newspaper article and found the priest at another parish not too far from her.
    She has gotten in touch with the priest and they are meeting so that she can ask him for forgiveness. She feels blessed that God called her to children’s ministry and that she has had many children through that ministry.
    Isn’t it wonderful that God can take something that evil (wo)man has done and make something good come of it.
    Please pray for this woman as she continues on what she feels is her new ministry. She has a Biblical name from the book of Genesis that belonged to another woman who thought she would never have children and whose descendents have something to do with the number of stars in the heavens.

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  8. Well! The Republicans are going there.
    I had a friend in HS and through college who took a job with Goodyear Aircraft and moved to Cleveland. I never heard from him again, except for him to say he couldn’t come to our 50th HS reunion.

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  9. Good morning!

    Glad your leg is feeling better, Chas.

    Jo: I’m glad for your time of fellowship.

    Well, we had my car towed to the Ford dealership. It’s going to cost $750.00 to diagnose the problem. It’s something in the engine. Not good news. They warned we may need an whole new engine. Due to its trade in value (when running), we plan to fix it and then trade it in, for fear that the transmission could go next. So, I’m going to start looking for a new (used) car. I don’t believe in buying them new. They lose too much value just being driven off the lot.

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  10. Great story Kim. We had a women who, during a special emphasis on “life”, who confessed to having had an abortion. But not to this extent.
    The great thing about forgiveness is that it includes everything. And from the least to the greatest are cast into “the sea of God’s forgetfulness” as the song says. (Jere. 31:34)

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  11. There is no sin that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus. The power of confession and forgiveness are intoxicating, but seeing a soul free to soar is pure joy!

    Thanks for sharing, Kim.

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  12. Igudesman and Joo, both skilled musicians in their own right, were a hit comedic duo a few years ago. I really related to this clip (it is physically impossible for me to play Rachmaninov, as he never seemed to consider that other pianists might not be able to equal his two octave handspan):

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  13. Just catching up.

    Donna (from Sunday)- The Iowa Corn Song you posted was obviously not sung by someone from that state, since they pronounced it [i-o-way] not [i-o-wah].

    AJ- Thanks for the Don Knotts video yesterday. That show was so funny with him, and a flop without.

    Cheryl- I agree that Peter and Paul would not have worried if they accidentally used a “bad” word. In fact, one preacher I heard said that some of the language in the English Bibles is inaccurrate becaues the original languages used words too crude for the nobility of King James’ time. The example he used was when Paul said our righteousness “is as filthy rags”. The original Greek says “menstrual cloths”. And whe Paul says he counts all he has a rubbish, or dung, compared to the glory of God, the actual word is even stronger.

    We say certain words are “vulgar” and not used in polite company. Well, those words were originally the Anglo-Saxon words, used by the common (or, as in Latin, vulgar) people. The Frenchified words of the Norman conquerors were acceptable in the nobility, because the conquerors were the nobility, adn the servants were the conquered Anglo-Saxon commoners. So, the “impolite” words for excrement and copulation were signs one was not of the nobility.

    Funny how 1000 years has changed our language. Even in the last 50 years certain words deemed “bad” by my parents are now in “polite” usage in the public square.

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  14. Peter, exactly. I was thinking of that filthy rags passage as one example. Paul was not “nice” in his language, many times. And Jesus referred to people as whited sepulchers and He called Herod “that fox.” They’d be amazed that we consider “jackass” to be an extreme insult, too bad to utter.

    I remember when I was a child, someone expressed disgust that the Living Bible had Elijah insulting the prophets of Baal by including the suggestion that Baal might be on the toilet. Yet I believe I have heard since then that the text indeed does have “covering his feet” (a euphemism for having a bowel movement, also used when King Saul was in the cave and David cut off part of his robe).

    Modern evangelicals would never have included much that is in Scripture. Circumcision as the sign of the covenant would definitely be out, but even more of Scripture would have to be edited further, because a whole lot of it is PG-13 or worse.

    I’m not saying we should all go around using as many dirty words as we can think of. Personally, I’m the one who will hit her finger with something heavy and say “ow” and not even think the dirty word. (Most of the time.) But that doesn’t make me more “holy.” (I also say “Ow” when I’m startled, for what it’s worth.)

    I’ve heard that before about the origin of the concept of “vulgar” words. (My pastor is quite a wordsmith.) It does add quite an interesting twist to the concept!

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  15. The Anon above was me – forgot to sign in.

    Peter, the KJV did use other ‘earthy’ words without flinching, but then the translation was done by men, who were probably more comfortable talking about “p—-ing against the wall” than talking about menstruation. However, the Biblical ‘know’ is an original Hebrew euphemism, so it seems that not everything was talked about with equal frankness.

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  16. Cheryl, I responded to you on yesterday’s thread.

    Kim, beautiful story. I will pray for S.

    AJ, funny second video!

    I’ll have to watch the Rachmaninov now that Anon/Roscuro posted. I’ll bet that’s good, too. 🙂

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  19. I always felt sorry for children who didn’t go to Christian school. How did they learn about drunkenness, homosexuals, incest, hate, murder, ….and THAT was just before we got out of Genesis!
    How did any of you learn about necrophilia?
    How did you learn how evil the Beatles and Led Zeppelin were?
    How did you learn about backmasking?

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  20. I never thought the Beetles were evil. I just don’t like their music. There is nothing wrong with “I Wanna Hold Your Hand” except the grammar. They should use correct grammar, like country music. 😉
    Chuck always liked the Beetles. I don’t know about Led Zeppelin, or the Stones.
    What is backmasking?
    I may still be naive.

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  21. Roscuro,

    Thanks. I also enjoyed “Mozart Will Survive” which is exactly what it sounds like, Mozart, with the lyrics to “I Will Survive” from Glory Gainer.(sic?) Also, “Do You Believe in Gravity?” is good.

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  22. Yes, I do not know some of the words mentioned by Kim, too.

    I think I may have first witnessed drunkeness on The Red Skelton Show. I never saw it in real life until college. I heard first about homosexuality in the halls at high school. Not sure about the rest.

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  24. Sleeping in can become a fast habit when you’re off work. 🙂 Two days and I’m into it. Got up at 8 a.m. yesterday. 8:30 a.m. today …

    Peter, Iowans may actually have a sense of humor after all. 🙂 Who knew? It looks like The Iowa Corn Song really was written by an Iowan. 🙂

    http://www.iowareunionclub.com/Iowa_Corn_Song.html

    Kim, what a great story. You live in a largely conservative area — so I couldn’t help but wonder what the response to something like that would be among posters in my part of the country. Probably more “deafening” silence than ridicule, but she might have gotten an outright contrary comment or two.

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  25. Backmasking is when you play a record or tape backward and you can here words such as “Satan he is god” Probably can’t do this with CD’s so there is a good thing to come of modern technology.

    I guess the rest of you don’t know that the song Hotel California is about the church of satan

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  28. Kim,

    I never bought that nonsense. Neither does Snopes. By the way, today is Don Henley’s birthday too.

    http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/hotel.asp

    “FALSE

    The truth proves far less satisfying than the myriad rumors that have sprung up around this song.

    Hotel California is an allegory about hedonism and greed in Southern California in the 1970s. At the time of its release, the Eagles were riding high in the music world, experiencing material success on a frightening level. Though they thoroughly enjoyed the money, drugs, and women fame threw their way, they were disquieted by it all and sought to pour that sense of unease into their music and to warn others about the dark underside of such adulation.

    In a 1995 interview, Don Henley said the song “sort of captured the zeitgeist of the time, which was a time of great excess in this country and in the music business in particular.” In another interview that same year, he referred to it as being about a “loss of innocence.”

    The album has as its underlying theme the corruption of impressionable rock stars by the decadent Los Angeles music industry. The celebrated title track presents California as a gilded prison the artist freely enters only to discover that he cannot later escape.

    The real Hotel California is not a place; it is a metaphor for the west coast music industry and its effect on the talented but unworldly musicians who find themselves ensnared in its glittering web.”

    I’ve never understood why Christians are so quick to label things “of the devil” because they don’t like the music or approve of the musicians. It’s appropriate when it’s true, and believe me I know first hand there’s plenty that is and I could name names, but sometimes they’re wrong and just look silly.

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  31. My mom thought small talk was a waste of time, and I’ve never learned how to do it well. But I think that mastery of it is actually an important social skill and a good way to show people you care about them and want to spend time in their presence.

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  34. Kim, the former ATI apprenticeship student was snickering knowingly to all those questions (except the necrophilia – I learned that one in college from a lecturer’s joke, as health studies seem to call out the crudest part of human nature). The other week, I looked up a demonstration of back-masking evil words on YouTube – the video was put up by someone who was dead sure that back-masking was real. All I heard was words being sung backwards – which do sound strange, but not evil.

    When I finally got around to listening to Beatles, which was only a few years ago, I felt like I had been lied to. Oh sure, some of their songs are about sex and drugs, but they are obviously about those topics, no subliminal message about it, and plenty of their songs were about other topics. As a trained musician, I could tell they had talent, and although I don’t listen all the time to their music, I learned a lot from their techniques. I don’t care for Led Zepplin’s style.

    Another song that the demonizers claimed had a hidden message was ‘Puff, the Magic Dragon’ – supposedly about smoking forbidden substances. It was on a tape of classic children’s songs my family used to listen to before entering a certain program (thankfully, we didn’t burn our ‘bad’ music, just stopped listening for a while). In reality, it was just what it appeared, a cute kids’ song about an imaginary playmate.

    I’ll go one further, and say how did you all learn about the evil backbeat? That unnatural emphasis on the second and fourth beats of the music bar contaminates even the most innocent seeming music – none of that Peter, Paul and Mary or Carter or Cash or Tijuana Brass or Roger Whittaker, ’cause they used the evil beat. I, to my lasting shame, became an expert at sniffing out the faintest of unnatural rhythms – one over-zealous mother from another ATI family had me go over their records to find the back beat. I still shudder at what her poor children must have felt about me (they grew up to listen to *gasp* rock music!).

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  35. AJ, most of my recollections of k-11 are done tongue in cheek or snickering as Roscuro said. I learned about necrophilia in either 9th or 10th grade because I can remember that Bible teacher telling us that is what Alice Cooper-Satan worshipers’s song Cold Ethel was about.

    The once wanted me to bring a rosary to school so we could throw it in the bonfire and watch the demons come out. They also sent me home to tell my parents which TV shows I couldn’t watch. Thankfully my parents proclaimed themselves in control of what I watched on TV.

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  36. Chas, I don’t have a photo of a frog on a lily pad. Will this do instead? It’s a photo I took Sunday of a different creature on a lily pad. It looked like a rock to me, but I took the photo on faith that it was what my husband said it was, and once I blew it up I could see he was right. (You probably need to click on my name to see it big enough to see anything meaningful, though.)

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  38. Kim, they always used the extreme weirdness of people like Alice Cooper, or in my day, Marilyn Manson, to prove that all rock music was of the devil – never mind that Cooper and Manson represent only a small genre of modern music. They would turn from the intentional blasphemy of Manson and say, “See? Michael W. Smith must really worship Satan!” as if they sang the same kind of music (FYI, I don’t care for Smith’s style either). I have come to the conclusion that all of those so-called Christian music analysts who supposedly found all this evidence of demonic music knew very little either about music or about demons.

    The sad thing is that the Christian-urban-legends-about-music-mill is still churning it out. My tiny church is currently pastored by such a believer and a few of the members are more than willing to swallow the stuff. I grieve to see them get so distracted by a non-issue and I try quietly to contradict the wild suppositions. I know from sad experience that concentrating upon music styles, like all forms of legalism, leads only to madness and misery. It distracts us from the reality of who Christ is and what He has accomplished.

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  39. All I remember about the evil back beat is the beginning lyrics, “We will, we will rock you.” Is that what you are referring to? The beat is opposite of how the human heartbeat sounds. Am I correct?

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  40. Janice, yes, the human heartbeat was supposedly strong on the first beat and weak on the second, while the backbeat was weak on the first beat and strong and the second. The claim only goes to show that these analysts were no medical experts either, because the heartbeat sounds different according to where it is listened to on the chest; and furthermore, technically the first heart beat is weaker than the second as the atria, the upper chambers of the heart, contract first, and then the lower ventricles, which have more muscle, contract.

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  41. Yep, Chas, that’s what it was. It was small and not that close to us. But I didn’t even see it. My husband saw it and he said, “That might be a turtle.” He walked to the left to be able to see past the reeds, and he said, “Yes, it is.” It didn’t look like a turtle to me, it looked like a pebble. (It was maybe three inches.) But (1) I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a rock on a lily pad and (2) my husband was sure it was a turtle.

    So I took two pictures of it. Later I zoomed in on my camera screen and sure enough I could see the lines of its shell. But at home I brought it up on my computer and to my surprise there was a face glaring at me. I wondered when I took the photo, if that’s a turtle where is its head?

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  42. I’d never heard that about back beats. I just thought ultra-conservative Christians believed rock and roll was evil, period.

    Ah, got my haircut, long overdue. Feels so good — now I’m off to search for a birthday gift for a friend I’m seeing tomorrow.

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  45. Donna, oh no, there was no period about it. Probably because there was no scriptural evidence saying that rock music was wrong – though I heard one speaker claim that rock music was used to worship Aaron’s golden calf. because “the noise of war” was heard in the camp – there were many pseudo-scientific proofs of the evil of rock music. A few more were:
    1. Experiments with plants supposedly showed the ones that were played rock music shriveled and died, while the ones that were played classical music grew green and lush. This has not been verified.

    2. Mice that were played rock music, went mad and ate each other. Never seen this verified anywhere else either.

    3. Rock music was said to produce reptilean movement. To explain reptilean movement, I will have reference how babies crawl, moving the left leg forward with the right arm and vice versa. Now reptilean movement was said to be movement in which the right arm and leg moved forward together and the same with the left arm and leg (think of a crocodile crawling). Such movement in humans was supposed to be a sign of brain damage, or listening to rock music. I swallowed this so far, that I fully expected to come across it in my health studies (when we learned to analyze movement for signs of neurological damage) and I never did.

    4. The words ‘cool’ and ‘jazz’ were supposed to be derived from Voodoo worship. A quick check into the etymology of such terms reveals no such connection.

    5. Rock music was derived from the jungle of Africa, where they used talking drums in devil worship. Now having lived where the talking drums were used (and it wasn’t in the jungle) I can honestly say that they were not used in animistic rituals, but rather in joyful celebrations, and furthermore, the drumming styles are much different than the Western rock drumming.

    There were a lot of other equally ridiculous arguments. Every once in a while, I come across something which explodes yet another of the myth and laugh and cry over it.

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  46. “2. Mice that were played rock music, went mad and ate each other. ”

    That can be done without any music. Just don’t feed ’em. 😯

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  48. I’d heard the plant one, which doesn’t really make any sense. I don’t know that I heard that one when I was young, though. The one I heard when I was young was that rock has the rhythm of sex and therefore it encourages people to have illicit sex. I ended up thinking of anything with a drum or any sort of beat as bad.

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  51. Interesting discussion. I had the superintendent of my children’s Christian school if I thought rock music was evil because of the beat. I gave him a couple of articles to read, saying, no, essentially.

    In my experience, it is the more subtle themes that do the most damage to people. We start to think a certain way, without even understanding why.

    I like the pictures. I took a few pictures of my mom’s pond today, which was full of water lilies blossoming. I got my mom and dad to stand for a couple of quick photos in front of the pond. This is my dad who was in the ER last week and sent home with oxygen tanks. He was also the one who had mowed the grass in his ditch yesterday. I know that because he mentioned he was glad he got it done, since the ditch was now full of water again. It sure was nice to see him up and about again.

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  52. wait, I did get 49. Sorry Cheryl.
    Off to school to get ready for the first day tomorrow.
    Got to watch your grammar around that Mumsee!
    They were tasty though! 🙂

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  53. I’m so glad not all Christian schools teach the wackiness that Kim and Phos had to go through.

    Mumsee and Jo, I just laugh and shake my head 🙂

    The cats are still around, but very cagey. We are finding dead mice, so they are doing their job 🙂

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  54. Cheryl, I also heard the one about the, ahem, sexual rhythm. That one was told to a group of about 200 apprenticeship students, of both genders, attending a music training course. Thinking back now, I realize the speakers managed to give the impression that not only rock music, but also sex was bad. Sigh, they talked so much about what was wrong with music and sex, and said so little about what was good in these gifts of God to human beings.

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  55. A good day beginning to prepare to teach piano again. I started to look through my music library and other materials I have that can be useful in teaching. I also researched different options for drawing up a studio policy. I had one in the past, but there are a few things I want to change about how I do business (and I can’t find the old one anyway). It’s been eleven years since I last taught piano students other than my children, and my business-related information is tucked away who knows where.

    I’m getting excited to get back into it, now that I’ve begun preparing, There’s lots still to do, though, before I begin recruiting students, but I feel good about the progress I’ve made so far with the preliminaries.

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  57. i would have loved to find a piano teacher around here. There is only one and she is always booked years in advance. We could go to Lewiston, tried it, didn’t work out.

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  58. 57!! Oh, Mumsee got it. Congratulations! But I should keep this post with the number at the beginning in case something gets deleted above.

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  59. Interesting conversation about music. My thought is that in its way, all music glorifies God since ultimately, He is the one who gives the talent to write and perform it, as well as the senses to hear and be pleased by it. Yes, God made us sensual (not necessarily meaning sexual) beings.

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  60. Good evening Jo.
    I don’t have anything to add to the music thread.
    My approach is simple.
    If I like it, I listen
    If I don’t like it, I turn it off.
    Nothing complicated about that.

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