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Our Daily Thread 10-8-13

Good Morning!

On this day in 1895 The Berliner Gramophone Company was founded in Philadelphia, PA.

In 1918 U.S. Corporal Alvin C. York almost single-handedly killed 25 German soldiers and captured 132 in the Argonne Forest in France. York had originally tried to avoid being drafted as a conscientious objector. After this event his was promoted to sergeant and was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.

In 1944 “The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet” debuted on CBS radio.

In 1956 Donald James Larsen (New York Yankees) pitched the first perfect game in the history of the World Series. 

And in 1993 the U.S. government issued a report absolving the FBI of any wrongdoing in its final assault in Waco, TX, on the Branch Davidian compound. The fire that ended the siege killed as many as 85 people.

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Quote of the Day

“He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.”

Jim Elliot

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Today is Heinrich Schutz’s birthday, so here’s some of his music, courtesy of the Western Illinois University Singers.

Today is also Louis Vierne’s birthday.

And it’s Mike Moreno’s too.

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Who has a QoD for us today?

43 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 10-8-13”

  1. Good evening all. Sargeant York was a classic movie. We didn’t have a tv for a long time when the kids were growing up. Sargeant York was one of the first films they saw. Gary Cooper was so convincing and so humble.

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  2. Good night all. Term 2 begins in the morning and I need some sleep. Have a nice conversation through the night and I will join you again in the morning.

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  5. Good morning to you all (and to Jo when you wake up and see this). 🙂

    AJ, very good music choices today. Thank you!

    I asked a few questions late last night on yesterday’s daily thread. I won’t copy all the background information, but basically I wondered about age-related fatigue and when/if you have started experiencing it? These were my questions:

    “Question for those of you who have gotten to 50: did you really start to lose a lot of vigor then like I have? Or those who haven’t hit 50 yet: are you tiring out?”

    I also asked if anyone had any tips for me on how to boost my energy, and explained some of my limitations regarding exercise, which I think is one of the best energy-boosters there is.

    Thank you to Jo and Donna, who have already answered. Anyone else care to take a stab at fixing me? 😉

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  6. Walking. And maybe a B complex vitamin. But don’t walk in the evening or late afternoon or you won’t be able to sleep. Because it boosts energy even though walking does not seem like much.

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  7. For those of you feeling guilty for wanting to throw up every time you see one more item with a Pink Ribbon on it for Breastober. Pink has taken over October with all the breast cancer awareness. I have a strong family history of breast cancer and I have felt guilty in the past for my cynicism. Our own dear Tammy posted this on her FB page last night. Now I don’t feel like such a smuck.

    http://cancerinmythirties.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/national-no-bra-day-and-breast-cancer-awareness-month-or-please-put-that-pink-can-of-soup-down-put-your-bra-back-on/

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  9. Yesterday was Mr. P’s and my first anniversary. He got me pearls. Earrings and a nice silver necklace with silver beads and pearls spread out.
    What did I get him? I am so glad you asked!
    I got him a roasting pan and a Turkey Platter like your grandmother or mother probably had. Now on the surface it seems that my gift had no romance and was just an excuse to buy him something I wanted or needed, but that is where you would be wrong.
    It represents the family and stablilty he has offered me. I was an only child. Our holidays were wherever the wind may blow. Never at my primary home. When I met George, they were always at his mom and dad’s. I have wandered hither and yon for Thanksgiving all of my life except for the year my father died and I had Thanksgiving at my house because I put out the word that I needed to do it and I needed all my friends to come.
    This year we will be in a larger house, he has family coming in from out of town and we have the ability to have them at our house. I have my Aunt V’ coming. He has 3 boys and I have 1 daughter but for the first time he and I will be the hosts and the tradition can begin. Perhaps one day our grandchildren will argue over who get’s Mimi and Grandpa’s Turkey Platter because of the great childhood memories they associate with it.

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  10. Kim, no, when do you arrive?

    The great experiment is now over. And it only lasted a month. The little girl was deteriorating with no sign of improvement. She had picked up all the negative habits it was possible to gather in one little body, but not so much of the good stuff. The teacher helped with the academic side in that she is willing to put more effort into her work now. That is a good. But the bad outweighed it. Her bio siblings want to know what happened to their sweet little sister (who had her bad days) and who is the monster in her body, cruel to others, mean to her seven year old brother, etc. She has immediately started on the road back and that is good.

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  11. Kim, sounds like a wonderful anniversary. It didn’t strike me until later in life that traditions are (for many or even most of us) always somewhat in flux, especially if family is small. A tradition may hold for a few years, but then things change — people move or die or new people come and, voila, a new tradition is born (until another one takes over).

    We’re cooling off from our spate of desert winds last weekend, they’re even predicting a bit of rain tomorrow and 1/2 foot of snow in our local mountains. Today is very gray and cool and I’m off to cover an early meeting where a presentation will be made on the latest scaled-back proposal for a large housing development that developers have tried to get approvals for over the past decade.

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  12. Mumsee, thanks. I take walks, and they’re almost always in the morning. Occasionally later in the day on weekends, but not much. I should probably make a habit of daily walking outside, though. It’s hit or miss. However, I am frequently going from upstairs to downstairs to the garage to outside, etc. etc. throughout much of the day, checking on kids’ activities, so I’m probably putting on a lot of miles even if the walking doesn’t take me down the road. Maybe I should just plant myself in a chair around mid-afternoon and not move the rest of the day. 😉 Or sit on the porch steps till the sun goes down and get some fresh air while I’m at it.

    I am taking a B-Complex, and recently I began extra B12. The B12 seems to be helping slightly, but I don’t want to overdo it, taking too much of it for too long, as it can eventually cause imbalances in the other B vitamins. Kind of a tricky balancing act, watching my response to it, and trying to figure out how much is enough.

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  14. 6arrows, 48 and tired all the time – sorry, no suggestions to help you. 🙂

    That link was very interesting. It seems to have manifested in our children. Our son, who is very smart and told he was smart, will not try things that take some effort on his part. Other than learning to play guitar and music by himself. Our daughter, who is not stupid, but had to work very hard for every good mark she got, is very willing to put herself out there and learn something new. She’s travelled on short term missions, she’s now studying to become a paramedic. If she makes up her mind to do something, she will try her hardest to complete it. Son, on the other had, gives up very easily.

    If only we’d realized when they were young! Wonder if we can change how he thinks still.

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  16. On here I just call him Mr. P for his own privacy. His name is Paul.

    No Mumsee, I won’t be arriving any time soon, although I do have it in mind to come back. You just did a shout out last night to Pastor Roy and I thought you may be giving us a clue about something. You are clever like that. 😉

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  17. actually, some guy made a couple of comments a couple of days ago and signed himself as Roy and the content was not pastor Roy stuff, so thought it might be a new guy and I was sending a welcome hello. But if it was pastor Roy in disguise I was just saying hi. Covering the bases you understand.

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  18. I was up till 1:00 in the morning since I thought I was 30 minutes to an hour from finishing this final book, and then I could upload it. And at 1:00 in the morning, doing a final check, I found 40 pages of problem text. I was not amused. I think I have corrected every glitch now, and I’m going to start doing what I hope is my final final check.

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  19. I made a few small corrections on that pass, several in the last couple pages, so I went through it quickly one more time, and now it is being uploaded and they are ready to order. Finally! These books sure had better be nice, because there are an awful lot of hours in this thing, not to mention some money.

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  20. Things have been busier than usual so I have not had much time to visit lately. Miss that!

    Yes, 6 Arrows, I have less energy and never was full of energy to begin with. I will be 60 in Dec.
    It helped when I was daily riding my exercise bike but last winter i had the arthritis problem and let the exercise slip. I am still not back into that but have hopes to start pedaling again.

    I think products like Juice Plus are good to help promote energy. They are full of good things which the body may not be getting in the diet. I took a momentary break from everything except calcium because of the medical problem and I could tell my energy level dropped when I went off of Juice Plus. My husband still takes it daily and he has not gotten sick as much. I signed up as a representative of the product so I could get it discounted, but I do not have any customers because I have not pushed in that direction. There are imitations of Juice Plus on the market. I can give you more info if you are interested. It really helped my vision when I took it regularily. Also, when people get blood work done, they get good results on their tests. I know this from personal experience. Others may know of other similar products that have given them good results. I have had experience with Juice Plus for maybe four years or so.

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  21. Hopefully they do come out good, Cheryl, after all the work you put in on them.

    Here’s a shout-out to my hard-working husband, who just sold a car today. Yes! More details and a related prayer request on the prayer thread.

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  22. Phone is ringing off the hook. It gets that way near the tax deadline days. I don’t wear earrings, but have plenty of phone rings. 🙂

    Final finals are good, Cheryl 🙂 🙂

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  23. Posted by Albert Mohler today:

    “I am more afraid of my own heart than of the pope and all his cardinals. I have within me the great pope … Self.” – Martin Luther

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  24. Kare, my adult son is like your son, too, in that he seems reluctant to try things he hasn’t already determined he’s good at, which would require little effort. He heard a lot about how smart he was, as he had some unusual abilities, like being able to identify keys (home, vehicle, and work keys) just by looking at their teeth! He was only a couple years old when he started doing this. My husband would hold keys in his hand, covering up everything but the teeth, and 1st Arrow would say things like, “Four-wheeler start-up; Taurus trunk key; cylinder truck door key”, etc. He’d be right every time, and all the motor heads on my husband’s side of the family, and several people on my side (and, okay, my husband and I, too) would be very impressed with his brilliance and tell him so.

    I don’t remember being praised much for very many things except my piano playing, but I still vastly prefer doing things I’m good at to things that don’t come easily to me. I’d rather sit and play piano than help cook or serve a meal, say, with another adult. I’m just not good at that, and I don’t enjoy having others witness me doing things at which I tend to be rather inept, and I don’t relish the opportunity to improve myself in any area that doesn’t come quite as easily as other things. Sometimes I wonder if that’s simply a firstborn trait, though, and not necessarily a reflection on how much and what type of praise one has received?

    I find it interesting contemplating why people are the way they are, personality-wise, and how much that might be able to change.

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  25. Janice, thanks. I hadn’t heard of Juice Plus. I prefer getting my fruits and veggies whole rather than in supplement form, but that sounds like a good thing when good produce is not readily available.

    It’s funny that, even though I’ve been struggling with fatigue the last few years, I’ve actually been healthier than at any time in my life. Since going gluten-free four or five years ago, I have hardly ever been sick anymore. Viruses that make the rounds in our household have minimal or no effect on me. Colds, flu, all of it. My blood work the last two years has shown virtually everything within normal levels, and if not, very close to normal. And yet I’m frequently tired, that I wonder if I’m missing some nutrient. It seems funny that I can withstand so many illnesses, but still not feel like I’m functioning at optimal levels.

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  29. 6 arrows, I was just going to post the very same thing. Perhaps he is traveling home.

    I started taking vitamin D last year and it has helped a lot.
    Time to get ready for the first day of Term 2. I already prayed for each of my students this morning so my focus is in the right place.

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  30. Guess What?
    Chas is in Hendersonville. It was a long but good trip.

    I have a comment about getting older and energy. I have lots of experience with that.
    But not now.

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  33. Have a good day at school, Jo. It was a blessing to hear of you praying for each of your students. If only all children were blessed with praying teachers.

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  34. Age related fatigue:
    It is a fact. As you get older, you do not have the stamina you had when you were young.

    Sunday afternoon, I noticed some young people, probably Wm. & Mary students) strolling down the street. I told Elvera that they would get to the end and not have noticed the mile ling walk. We did.
    However, we are in our eighties. A decade makes a difference. We bought this place with 0.6 acre that has to be cared for. It is about past my limit now.
    I was 71 when we bought it. Not a wise decision.

    However, I suspect there is something else happening.
    I think some of you are too young to be complaining about loss of energy. When I was sixty, I went on mission trips that required handyman type activity. You certainly can’t expect to have endless energy at sixty, but if ordinary housework, i.e. cutting grass and trimming bushes, wears you out. You need to see abut that.
    I tried using CoQ10, as a supplement. It was supposed to renew my energy. It didn’t do anything for me. Maybe one bottle wasn’t enough, but it didn’t seem to help at all.
    Next time you go for a physical, you need to mention this to the doctor.

    It may be different for women. I hear Elvera mention being tired, but not excessively so through the years.
    Sometimes emotional stress is worse than physical exercise.
    By all means, keep up the physical exercise.
    You all know that Elvera and I go to the Y three times a week. I’m certain that helps. My dad retired to the easy chair and he lost all his energy and muscles in a mighty short time. Above all, keep moving.

    I really doubt that this helped much. I suspect the tiredness is as much emotional as physical. It affects people.

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  35. I agree with Chas. Younger and younger people are more and more exhausted. I don’t think we are getting the QUALITY of rest we used to get. There is too much stimulation. We fall asleep with the TV on. We wake up in the middle of the night and it is easy to get up and turn a light on or check FB or whatever and stimulate our brains. We can read a book. There is traffic noise. We turn the TV back on. Whatever it is that each of us does as individuals. Since Paul and I married he has left a light on in the kitchen. I found last night when I took myself to the sofa and turned off the light in the kitchen that I got more/better sleep. I had been awake since 1 am. I went to the sofa at 3.

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  36. QoD: I still feel some energy, but do have to take it easier now that 56 rolled around. Since I walk a lot giving cave tours in the summer I feel more energetic then. But keeping students in line wears me out.

    Speaking of slowing down, am I the only one who has noticed how the Internet seems slower these days? Not just at home, but I have noticed at school and the community college. Could it be all those people trying to get signed up for Obamacare or do we blame the government shutdown? Or is it Bush’s fault?

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  37. 😦 I turned on the heat for the first time this season.
    We had the air conditioning on in Williamsburg. George Washington and Patrick Heney didn’t have A/C yet they had to wear those heavy clothes. Shorts were not permitted.

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  40. Joe,

    From what I understand at this point it’s just a threat. They say they may have to, but they haven’t elaborated on why that is. If it happens, it’s because of the administration not negotiating and not accepting bills from the House that would fund it. It wouldn’t surprise me if they try, after all, pain is what they want. The Spite House seems to fit.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/social-security-benefits-at-risk-in-debt-fight/

    “Social Security benefits for millions of Americans could be put on hold in as few as 10 days if the nation’s debt limit is not increased, the Obama administration said today.”

    “Neither the Social Security Administration nor Treasury Department would elaborate on specifics of how and when payments could be reduced or cut off. Those contingency plans are still being worked out, a Social Security official said.”

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  41. Interesting, all these supplements mentioned today: B-Complex, Vitamin D, CoQ10. I take all of those. It might be time to up the dosage. Two of those I don’t usually take as many times a day as they say I can on the label, so maybe that’s part of the problem.

    Chas, maybe the CoQ10 didn’t seem to have an effect if you were taking it as ubiquinone. My understanding is that ubiquinone converts (or partially converts) to ubiquinol in the body, but that process doesn’t happen as readily as we age, so it’s good to take the supplement in ubiquinol form, which has greater antioxidant efficiency. Also, both forms are fat-soluble, so it should be taken with a meal that contains fats.

    I heard a number of years ago, too, that the ubiquinone form isn’t very effective for most people past a certain age, I think they might have been talking late 40’s or early 50’s.

    The label on my jar doesn’t tell me whether I have ubiquinone or ubiquinol, but I suspect the former. I think I’ll check out whether I can find the latter.

    Thank you to all of you who answered my questions today. You really helped me reason out some different things that I think will be helpful.

    Oh, and Anonymous (Kim?), I agree with you about the quality of rest lacking these days, and there being too much stimulation from electronic media. I don’t sleep as well if I go to bed soon after getting off the computer for the night. I need a cushion where I just sit quietly for a while, maybe pray or read the Bible.

    And Facebook? I can’t take how cluttered a page of that looks. Same with Pinterest, and I imagine I wouldn’t like Twitter, either. Those things are too much for me, day or night, so I don’t do them. Reading a few blogs, checking email, and occasionally reading e-books or from my Kindle Cloud Reader app is great plenty for me, electronically, so I don’t get too wired.

    Which reminds me I need to finish reading an e-book I have, which is entitled The Unwired Mom… 😉 (That doesn’t mean completely unwired, though, mind you.) 🙂

    See you all tomorrow.

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  42. Our mood can affect our energy, too. When I’m worried or feeling anxious, I feel a lot more tired physically. 😦 But I also take those supplements (the Q one and Bcomplex, etc.) And I try to get a lot of the fish or krill oil, it’s good for the heart but my eye doctor also said it helps your eyes if they tend to be dry (which mine are).

    I used to like having a little night light in the bedroom until I read that a study (with kids but they said it would also apply to adults) showed that even the smallest light can affect the quality of sleep. So now I keep the bedroom completely dark.

    Reading makes me sleepy but TV stimulates me and makes me stay up way too late. I think reading on an e-reader also has a bit of that effect, it’s got to be a plain paper book to get me thoroughly drowsy.

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