Our Daily Thread 8-14-13

Good Morning!

On this day in 1848 the Oregon Territory is organized by an act of Congress.

In 1893 France becomes the first country to introduce motor vehicle registration.

In 1935 the Social Security Act passed, creating a government pension system for the retired.

In 1945 Japan accepts the Allied terms of surrender during World War II.

And on this day in 1959 we had the founding and first official meeting of the American Football League.

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Quote of the Day

“It is a known fact that the sheep that give us steel wool have no natural enemies.”     🙂

Gary Larson

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Ben Cissell of Audio Adrenaline has a birthday today.

It’s also Connie Smith’s birthday.

And it’s also Sarah Brightman’s.

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Who has a QoD for us?

59 thoughts on “Our Daily Thread 8-14-13

  1. I’m just happy to be here. Our internet connection was down for 30 hours and the country’s cell phones were also down making it hard to contact our provider in Singapore. I was feeling withdrawal pains! 🙂

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  2. KBells, from yesterday.
    When a girl gets hurt playing boys sports, the boys will be blamed.
    We always made allowances for the girls, but when the game gets serious, so will the action.
    Girls need to play softball. Boys play hardball.

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  3. Chas, if the boy is a transgendered “girl” who hurts a girl because he is playing on the girls team, the girl will be blamed. Women always lose with the left against any other PC protected group.

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  4. In 1893 France becomes the first country to introduce motor vehicle registration.
    So we can blame the French for long lines at the DMV?

    In 1935 the Social Security Act passed, creating a government pension system for the retired.
    And thus began the rise of Socialism in the US.

    Re: the transgender issue- I can only imagine all the teen-aged boys suddenly becoming transgendered just so they can shower with the girls. Can anyone say “teen rape rate goes up”?

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  5. KBellls is correct. Any time women/females go up against another protected class the lefft throws us under the bus.
    Peter hit on another issue. Once you allow for the “transgendered” to share the bathroom with the opposite sex then what? The lines are already blurred. We had someone who used to pop in with us who was , oh I can’t think of the word, she didn’t call herself bi-sexual she was just saying she fell in love with the person not with the sex of the person. Just this past Saturday one of BG’s friends were talking about a “polyamorous” relationship. I had to sit there a minute before it sunk in exactly what she had said.
    You might remember a couple of years ago BG told me about two girls “making out” in the locker room at school. A good friend of mine had to tell her daughter to take it off her FB page that she was bi-sexual. I just had to laugh at that conversation becuase my friend went “all Southern” on her. “Your GRANDMOTHER reads that stuff and besides, being bisexual is just TRASHY…it’s like you can’t make up your mind whether to be straight or gay! We aren’t having that do you understand me?” (Now this friend is much more liberal than I am )
    Peter teaches in a public school, he can probably tell all of you much betther than I can about the problems going on. It was rumored that they had quite the problem with sex in the Middle School bathrooms here in town a few years ago and they were not combined. I can only imagine what it would be like if they were.
    Recently, we were traveling and I went into a Interstate Rest Stop bathroom. I glanced underneath the stall next to me. The feet on the other side were rather large and pointed in the “wrong” direction”. I was in fear for my safety. We were the only two in there. I got out snappy quick.

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  6. With a sports injury of the transgendered it will be high profile scrutiny before it is deemed a hate crime. Then they will have to ban sports (going down the same trail as the Scouts).

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  7. Okay, scared me about the plane crash. I had just dropped Hubby off at the airport. He’s okay. It happened way before he go there.

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  8. Oh California, this transgender law already has lawsuits against it. Kim was right on the money that whenever the really far left protects someone it does so to the harm of women.

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  9. Good morning, all. Becca’s been up since six, but we’ve had a leisurely morning snuggling while I drank my coffee. I’m finally awake–three hours later. I’ve been struggling with insomnia, unable to fall asleep until about 1:00–so six o’clock seemed very early this morning!

    Hubby and I went to see a therapist last night for help dealing with Becca’s tantrums. This was the third time I’ve seen him, but first for Hubby. I really like him and think what he recommends makes sense. I’ve already been implementing his suggestions with good results. He recommended I get a book called, “The Power of Positive Parenting,” which I received about a week ago. It’s very good, practical, and easy to digest. It’s big on the benefits of positive reinforcement in producing lasting behavioral changes. At this point, I’m willing to try just about anything as what we’ve been doing feels like we’re banging our heads against the wall. She (Becca) behaves beautifully at school, always getting “E’s” in conduct, and other parents compliment her manners after a playdate or sleepover, but at home it’s a different story.

    Eldest daughter has been riding every day since we got back from the beach. She had her first lesson with a possible new trainer yesterday. She did very well, jumping the horse (Simba) with ease. I’m so happy for her that Hubby agreed to do the lease. It couldn’t have happened at a better time.

    Well, Becca’s playdate has arrived. Talk to y’all later!

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  10. When I hear about various laws being passed in other parts of the country, I am once again so thankful that I live in Texas! It may be unbearably hot here in August, but at least the state has a large percentage of independent minded individuals who tend to be fairly conservative. I don’t think I could live in California, despite the beautiful weather (and the housing prices would be a definite shock compared to Houston).

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  11. Kim: Eldest (about to start eighth grade) had a girl in her PE class last year who already had a child. She described her robust sex life in detail in the locker room. My child has yet to kiss a boy and was completely grossed out by her descriptions. I find it sad that our culture is so over-sexed that children are having children. The girl was 12 when her child was born. It’s a travesty.

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  12. Ann, I’m guessing that the child with a child is a desperately needy, lonely girl who doesn’t have a father to protect her and/or was molested earlier in life. She probably finds no comfort or love in sex, but it makes her feel “important” to be able to talk about it (even making stuff up, probably).

    My sister was a year younger than me and a grade behind me in school, and one of her classmates got pregnant in eighth grade. I knew the girl; she was sweet and timid, not “wild,” and it really shocked me. But either a boy took advantage of her with some force, or she was desperate for love, or both. Since I didn’t attend high school, it was years before I heard of another pregnancy in my own peer group.

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  13. My slow downloading only gave 1.5 minutes of Connie Smith.
    I used to listen to Jerry Gray on WAMU in Washington. He played country from the forties, fifties and sixties, interjecting comments about the records and artists.
    I don’t remember exactly what he said, but he told about the difficult personal life Connie Smith had, even with failed marriages and attempted suicide. The Wikopedia bio says she became a Christian in the Spring of 1968. Jerry Gray said that she was led to Christ by Rev. Jimmy Snow, Hank’s son, who ministers (ministored??) to the cast of the Opry.
    I think Jimmy Snow is a pastor in a church in Nashville.
    The music started again while I was typing this.

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  14. Cheryl: I wasn’t trying to disparage the child–I feel sorry for her–but it’s still hard to have my (somewhat) innocent kid forced to listen to her sexual stories, be they real or imagined.

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  15. It seems to me that (culturally) we are spiraling downward at breakneck speed right now. When I listen to news-talk shows, the gap between Americans now appears to be enormous, unbridgeable almost. 😦

    Granted, sometimes I think I’m just beginning to sound more and more like my mother during the 1970s. And maybe it’s just “me” — my own rather grim perspective on the country of late.

    But the very center now seems to be falling out at such a rapid pace it makes my head spin sometimes.

    And JaniceG, I had to laugh (until I realized, you know, it might not be that far off the mark) when you said that next they’d simply ban sports altogether.

    My fb friends who are so thrilled with the unisex restrooms (among them is a liberal Christian) baffle me. But perhaps especially among young people now, it really just won’t be any sort of “big deal” after all, I don’t know.

    I used to always think, well, another election is coming … things will be set right with new leadership. But deep down I’m afraid now it will all be too little, too late.

    Barring, of course, true revival. Prayer for all of this is needed above all.

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  16. Cheryl: I discussed with my daughter that she was under the age of consent in Texas and was could therefore be considered to have been raped. We talked about how damaging sex can be emotionally and spiritually, even if one doesn’t get pregnant, when one has sex outside of marriage. So, it became an opportunity for us to have a very frank, but appropriate, discussion about sex. (I’d read the Zondervan series of books on sex with her at various times, finishing the series when she turned eleven. She’s been very shy about discussing anything to do with sex or hormones or anything related to the aforementioned, but when she had this classmate, she wanted to know what she was saying, and she asked me. I was honored that she came to me. I pray I handled it correctly. I felt good about it and think it was beneficial b/c the lines of communication have remained pretty open since then, by all observations. Luckily, she’s so into horses, she hasn’t really noticed boys yet. Oh, she’ll comment that so-and-so is cute, but she never actually talks to boys she thinks are cute b/c she’s way too nervous to do that! She’s still at the point where it’s noteworthy that a boy smiled at you from across the hall….I’m more than grateful for this. And now that she has a horse of her own (sort-of), she’ll be way too busy for a boyfriend! God is so good. His timing is always perfect. It’s nice to have tangible reminders of that. Sometimes, I can be so impatient. It’s difficult for me to wait. But, once again, God provides, in his perfect timing. My heart is overflowing from His blessings. I can’t fathom the depth of His love…including his love for me!

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  17. Uh, folks, 15 years ago when I took my son on college campuses, I was taken aback to learn that the Cal dorm bathrooms have been unisex for years. You can shower right next to someone of the opposite sex–though you DO get your own shower curtain.

    When I asked why, I was told “it’s too far down the corridor for people to use the restrooms and they were already doing it, so why not?”

    At the time, I’m thinking they did not have unisex floors–which we had at UCLA back in the dark ages. I lived on a coed floor with guys next door my second year, and had no problem with it. I have brothers, however, and wasn’t looking to snag a guy or impress anyone. The two guys I hung out with (three doors down) both had fiancees, which may have helped as well.

    There was the odd incident one night, however, when I stumbled back to my room and mistakenly opened the wrong door.

    Fortunately I was wearing a long flannel nightgown, but I stood a moment blinking in confusion when I realized the walls had odd posters hanging on them and guys were sleeping in the beds.

    I hurried out and ran to my room next door.

    That could have been bad . . .

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  18. Wait. Are we talking about transgendered people being allowed to use the bathrooms of their “new gender”? Or a bathroom specifically for transgenders? Or unisex bathrooms? I would have more trouble with the idea of unisex bathrooms than with the others.

    You may remember that my niece’s fiance, “A”, is a transgender “man”. (They would so hate me for using those quotation marks, which I’m now dropping for ease of typing).) Before some of the subsequent changes she’s gone through, A had a humiliating experience while trying to use the men’s room in a store. The female clerk made quite a scene.

    Keep in mind that transgender people really & truly feel & believe that they were born in the wrong body. (We may believe that they are deluded, but that is the way they feel.) Nobody starts out to transform (mutilate) their body so drastically on a whim. If you saw a picture of A today (after surgeries to remove breasts & female organs, & with testosterone shots), you would have a very hard time believing he had ever been a she.

    Donna – I feel the same way you do. It is especially disheartening to see Christian young (or not so young) people taking such very unbiblical stances on issues.

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  19. A small group of teenage boys at each school could make a complete farce of the California law. They could claim to be “girls” and join the girls basketball, soccer, track and other sports teams. This would end girls sports. The real girls would no longer get to play (assuming the boys were average male athletes) and if they stayed on the team they would have to share a locker room, showers, etc. with the fake girls. Assuming the law applies to colleges, it could also make title IX a joke.

    The Russians and Iranians have to be howling with laughter at this latest development

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  20. There has to be a “happy middle” between accepting the whole kit & kaboodle of the LGBTQ agenda on one hand, & hatred & persecution on the other. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could accept people on that “spectrum” as fellow sinners made in God’s image, & treat them just like anybody else?

    Oh yeah, I already do that. Unfortunately, that’s not enough for many of them, my niece & her “fiance” included. 😦

    Ricky – I don’t consider the hatred & persecution of gays in Russia & Iran something to be emulated here.

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  21. Ann, I know you weren’t trying to disparage the child. Though some of her choices were her own sin, many were probably the result of sins done against her and her complete life confusion. And I think sometimes it’s helpful even for a child (one who can use discretion and not repeat what has been said to her!) to know, “This person may try to act tough and sexy and worldly wise, but she is lost and sad and hopeless. The way she talks is not OK, and if she is telling the truth about all her life choices then she is making a lot of bad ones–but her talk is just bluster, and she is probably a pretty miserable kid.” I know it was really helpful for my sister at around 18-20 not only to “hear” what God said about sex and what our mom said, but to “see” up close and personal a co-worker who was promiscuous and whose life was anything but happy. My sister wasn’t drawn to that lifestyle anyway, but seeing it really made an impression on her, how bad it was to live like that. It wasn’t just sinful; it was also really harmful.

    Ricky, that’s what keeps going through my mind, too. Is it really impossible for others to see such a scenario is inevitable somewhere? And it isn’t as though they can say, “Well you aren’t REALLY transgender, so we won’t let you. . . .” They might require something fairly substantial, such as proof that the person has obtained a new birth certificate, but I can’t see such a thing holding up in court very long, not at this rate.

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  22. Without commenting on transgendered people, the entire issue of why bathrooms are not unisex has always somewhat mystified me.

    Stating the obvious, they are there for the purpose of – well – going to the bathroom! Now, I am not certain what any of the rest of you may do there, but for me – I go into the stall, do whatever business is needful, leave the stall, wash my hands, and leave. Whatever “plumbing” the person in the stall next to me has or does not have never comes in to play.

    The only time that private parts are not covered, and I would not be in a stall, is at a urinal. But that’s easily solved by replacing urinals with stalls, which would only have the effect of enhancing – not diminishing – my privacy.

    If the concern is with someone peeping under (or over) the wall fo a peek, that, too, is easily solved: extend the dividers and doors downard to teh floor, and upward to the ceiling.

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  23. Just because Anonymous thinks it’s ok to mix sexes in the bathroom doesn’t make it so. There will always be those who would take advantage of the situation, and keeping them separate helps prevent such things.

    Yep. I’m strongly against it.

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  24. I think that bathrooms are for one sex because that is simply too private and personal to do within hearing (and smell!) of non-family members of the opposite sex. We have some natural, healthy inhibitions in place. A teenage girl doesn’t need the other boys to hear proof that she’s having her period, and they don’t need to be imagining each other half-clothed in the next stall.

    I wouldn’t care if each bathroom had only one stall in it and those weren’t marked by sex (for example, if instead of having two restrooms with two stalls / urinals each, fast food places had three locked rooms marked “bathroom,” one stall in each). But I am definitely not interested in having a man in one stall and me in the next. And by the way, that is a very real safety issue for women. She could be flashed or raped if the presence of a man is something she accepts. Currently, if she steps in and sees a man, she leaves quickly. It’s also a bad idea for a woman to get on an elevator occupied only by a man she doesn’t know. So there’s a very real safety issue, besides the modesty issue, in letting women’s rest rooms be for only women.

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  25. I worked in a place where there were two bathrooms in the kitchen area with one stall each. Sometimes if the men’s was occupied and the guys would use the women’s. We didn’t like it for two reasons. First, we have to wait a lot, it won’t kill you to once in a while. Secondly, men are just not as neat and careful (you all know what I mean).

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  26. Re – Transgender issues: Karen, in reply to your statement about these people being convinced that they are trapped in the wrong gender, there are other body dysmorphic disorders (I understand the new DSM manual says transgenders have a dysmorphia, rather than a mental illness), like anorexia. They too endure an enormous amount of mental pain, convinced that they are trapped in a fat body, but we don’t allow them to starve themselves to death. Instead, we help them readjust their thinking about what is a healthy weight. Why aren’t transgenders helped to see their birth sex as being healthy and normal for them?

    I agree that the transgender issue will increase the oppression of women. Politicians want to add transgenders to the protected list in Canada’s Bill of Rights, and a senator raised the issue that if transgenders were added, then women also needed to be named specifically (the clause currently says no person shall be discriminated against on the basis of gender, etc.). She was perfectly right. It belittles women when a man has cosmetic surgery and hormone therapy and then says he is a ‘woman’. He will never experience the irritation and inconvenience of menstruation or the intense pain of childbirth (not having the internal organs), yet he claims to be one of us and share our experiences. It is another way that men will use to minimize women and their role in society.
    How’s my feminist rhetoric? I knew I learned it at school for a reason.

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  27. My daughter had an instructor her first year of college who was born male, but got himself surgically altered and changed his name to one that is only ever a female name. Anytime my daughter would mention him to me, she always used male pronouns to refer to him, and I do the same. I don’t care what his name is now, or that he walks around with a purse, etc. He is a male, and I do care that he may have been in the women’s restrooms when my daughter or other female students were using them. (Same goes with female faculty/staff, or any other women who may have been forced to share a restroom with him.)

    This daughter and I were grocery shopping together one time, and he was in the checkout line a couple people ahead of us. She pointed him out to me (privately). He is very large, tall and big-boned. His size alone, not to mention what his actual God-given gender is, makes me shudder that he uses women’s restrooms. He may have surgically become a “woman” in his opinion, but he could still easily overpower women — true women — if he wanted to.

    I agree with everyone here who has spoken of the risks that are inherent for women when they’re forced to share bathroom facilities with men. And Anonymous, your view is extremely misguided.

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  28. kBells, I almost said the same thing about men using women’s restrooms but I resisted. 🙂

    Roscuro, I have wondered why it is that a boy who is convinced he’s a dog would be treated to remove that idea, but a boy who thinks he’s a girl would be given dresses and have his testoserone (which might help him normalize a bit as he enters puberty) blocked.

    And why is it we hear a lot more about boys who think they are girls than girls who think they are boys? Is it because of an anti-male bias in our culture or something in our society (e.g., hormones in the food) that are messing with male hormones? Why don’t we fix the problem rather than mutilating the person?

    Now, I would argue that the discomfort of menstruation and the pain of childbirth aren’t definitive parts of womanhood. (I’m no less of a woman for never having given birth, nor are you.) In fact, this person has a different (perhaps greater) list of inconveniences.

    But if we aren’t going to give dog food to the boy who thinks he is a dog, or make him sleep in a kennel, why do we give him dresses girlier than the girls are wearing, and encourage him joining all-female organizations (no matter what the parents of all the actual little girls think about that). It’s extremely sad to let a person’s misguided sense of who he is change how we act toward him.

    And yes, if it’s OK to let a boy say “I’m a girl” and we then need to treat him like a girl, why can’t we let a girl starve herself or cut herself or inject herself with drugs, if those actions are better suited to her sense of who she is?

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  29. Roscuro – I didn’t mean to come across as saying that I agree with the idea of changing sexes, but was trying to make the point that those who do don’t do it on a whim, & they should have our compassion. I did mention that although they believe they are in the wrong body, we believe they are deluded about that.

    I agree that there should be some counseling on how to accept & be comfortable as the man or woman God created one to be. I hate reading about the young children that are accepted as the opposite sex & often given medical treatments.

    In A’s case, she had a higher than normal (for females) testosterone level. Instead of seeing that as some sort of hormone imbalance & treating it accordingly, she chose to pursue sex reorientation through surgeries & continuing testosterone injections. Very sad.

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  30. A while back, I mentioned a difference of opinion about my volunteer activity with my religious neighbors and friends. My daughter — who just (before last Christmas) married her female sweetie of over 20 years — sided with the religious side and suggested I ask my doctor to do a complete “neurological workup,” on me. I suppose I could say such an ungrateful daughter (which reminds me of the daughters in the play KING LEAR) can only be blamed on the state of Washington legalizing homosexual marriage, not to mention my giving it my “blessing” (not quite the word I want, but what the hell). Today I volunteered for the local foodbank/thrift store who thanked me even though I warned them that I am the most immature 69-year-old they are likely to ever encounter. I have also submitted an application to volunteer for the local Sheriff’s Office, though they have made it clear they don’t want me shooting anyone. Even though a childhood school mate actually shot his eye out with a BB gun — though not in the way you would expect — and even though I once hit a squirrel in the eye at about 30 yards with a “pellet” though I could not repeat that feat if I tried sixty jillion times and prayed to Jesus on each occasion — I will not be surprised if they arrest me instead of using me as a volunteer. Which also relates to a true story. But I won’t tell you now.

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  31. If I was a student, I think I would claim I thought I was a whale. Then I would demand that the school build me a swimming pool and deliver me fresh fish to eat each day.

    Karen O, I didn’t say we should emulate Russia or Iran. I said the Russians and Iranians have to be howling with laughter (at our unbelievable perversion and stupidity). However, now that you mention it, let’s look at Russia’s position. It is not illegal in Russia to be a homosexual. It is illegal there to promote homosexuality to minors. Although that would run afoul of our First Amendment, I think that is a very reasonable position. It is certainly more intelligent, not to mention more Biblical, than our policies.

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  32. The word “sin” is taken out of a new dictionary:

    http://www.worldviewchurch.org/wvc-digest/featured-articles/20175-mistakers-in-the-hands-of-an-absentee-god

    From the Breakpoint post:

    Consider the following interview with Nick Cassavetes, the director of such films as “The Notebook.” His latest film, “Yellow,” debuted at the Toronto Film Festival. It’s about an incestuous relationship between a brother and a sister. Speaking of incest, Cassavetes offered these thoughts:

    “I’m not saying this is an absolute but in a way, if you’re not having kids – who gives a damn? Love who you want. Isn’t that what we say? Gay marriage – love who you want? … “If it’s your brother or sister it’s super weird, but if you look at it, you’re not hurting anybody, except every single person who freaks out because you’re in love with one another. … “This whole movie is about judgment, and lack of it, and doing what you want. Who gives a sh*t if people judge you?”

    This mindset was documented in the massive study of emerging adults, meaning people between the ages of 18 and 23, by sociologist Christian Smith. He found that a relativistic attitude marks six out of ten (60 percent) emerging adults.

    They said morality is a personal choice, “entirely a matter of individual decision. Moral rights and wrongs are essentially matters of individual opinion….” One of out every three said that they didn’t even know what makes anything right or wrong.

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  33. Donna- “Sin” is no longer in anyone’s lexicon, unless you are one of us- a biblical Christian. By that I mean one who actually lives according to the Bible, not just one who attends church.

    And there is no word for sinner in Chinese. No, really. They use the word “criminal”, or at least they did back when our church had a Bible study for Chinese students.

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  34. Did I ever mention what a delightful daughter 2nd Arrow is? She is so cheerful and enthusiastic, and it’s been so great to have her home again for a bit! She arrived safely last night a little before 10:00 p.m., and all eight of us were home and sitting in the living room, enjoying her stories she was telling about work. She works at a pet hospital and a home-improvement store in addition to going to school, so there are lots of stories to tell. I’ll share some of them sometime when I have more time.

    It was nice having that family time with all of us together last night, late though it was. Today I had some great one-to-one time with her, also, as we did dishes together after lunch. She’s 20, and was talking about friendships and growing up and how life changes when you move on to different things in life, and how relationships change some through those transitions.

    I love the lessons God teaches us through our children. I came away from our conversation today feeling so blessed as she shared her insights with me, not knowing how much I personally needed to be reminded of a truth she mentioned, which I knew in my heart, but have not been purposefully living out lately.

    God brings great blessings through our children, even (and maybe especially) when they’re grown up. Life is good. 🙂

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  35. 6 Arrows, I am delighted to hear about your enjoyment of your daughter. My son was kind enough to tell me that he doesn’t tell me often but he wanted me to be sure and know how much he appreciates that I was always there for him. It was a very sweet sound for a mother to hear those words.

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  36. 6 arrows, I can appreciate what you are saying. Our son was back from law school this summer and lived with us while working for a firm. Every night we enjoyed hearing about his day.

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    • Yes, I did take her advice. The doctor said he detected sign of Alzheimers. I said to him that I have been a sane, aggressive son-of-a-bitch all my life and saw little reason to change yet. I passed the information on to my daughter. She said she is mulling the information over. I am waiting to hear from the Sheriff’s Department to see if they will consider taking me on as a possibly over-the-top volunteer who will give the Department a bad name. We also noticed this morning that (probably) racoons had tried to break into our hen house. I will ask the Sheriff’s Department if they will place an armed guard to watch the hen house each night. They have our permmission to shoot to kill as far as the masked chicken thieves go. I suspect they have better things to do. But you never know.

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  37. Amen, Anonymous (@ 21:13:16). Music to a mother’s ears.

    Ricky, what a blessing all around, I’m sure it was, for your son to be back home for the summer. I so enjoy face-to-face conversation with my adult children when we have the opportunity.

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  38. Random – I went to bed after posting my last comment, so I didn’t see your answer until just now. I am so sorry about your diagnosis, Steve. That must have been so hard to hear. I hope one of the medicines they have these days will be helpful to you.

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  39. Worship, DJ?

    Imagine going to a concert of your favorite band, & finding out it’s only a DJ playing their records. (Yes, I know worship is not a concert, but the thought came to me as kind of funny.)

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