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On 1804 the Lewis and Clark Expedition reached the mouth of the Kansas River.
In 1819 the bicycle was patented by W.K. Clarkson, Jr.
In 1945 the U.N. Charter was signed by 50 nations in San Francisco, CA.
In 1959 President Eisenhower joined Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II in ceremonies officially opening the St. Lawrence Seaway.
And in 1996 the U.S. Supreme Court ordered the Virginia Military Institute to admit women or forgo state support.
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Quote of the Day
“That’s how you win – pitching and defense.”
Derek Jeter
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It’s Mick Jones’ birthday.
It’s Chris Isaak’s birthday too.
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Who has a QoD for us today?
Wandering Views 
Nice to have y’all join me at the tail end of Wednesday!
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Mornin’ Jo!
And Good Night. 🙂
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Good morning everyone. I am off to a class again today. I really enjoyed it yesterday.
I don’t have much else to say today. You guys have fun.
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A couple of timea a year, the Lions have a vision van come and give free eye exams to people. I’m on the van this morning. I test for acuity and periphial vision.
We don’t write perscriptions, but advise people who might/might not, need to see a doctor. We have a volunteer opthamologist on site, but he doesn’t write perscriptions.
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Eric Holder is furious at the Supreme Court over the state voting law decision.
Of course he is. It reduces his power.
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Holder’s only mad because he lost the ability to use his favorite card(race) to stop updated, common sense voting laws. And Texas is the first to jump on it, and will now begin implementing their already passed Voter ID law. Holder’s just mad because they no longer need his approval. And that’s a good thing. Numerous other states will soon follow Texas’ lead. 🙂
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I guess I need to catch up on the news. So the SCOTUS did something right for once?
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AJ, you need to give us the news, we’re getting lost. Actually, I do need help keeping up with the news. I found an Australian site for news that emails the headlines and the articles, but nothing for US news that doesn’t involve lots of pictures that I pay to download.
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The SCOTUS just ruled DOMA unconstitutional.
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I think someone on Hannity said this will suppress the dead person vote.
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Now that DOMA has been announced, Peter can go back to what he was doing. It’s business as usual after all. 🙂
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Good morning! It’s another glorious day in paradise. Today, we are going on a six hour eco-tour to some of the smaller surrounding islands for snorkeling and a visit to Sting-ray City. I absolutely love the Caribbean! The water is such a mesmerizing blue and the people in the Cayman’s are super friendly. There is very little crime here and it seems to have a large Christian population.
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annms, sounds like you’re having a wonderful vacation! Lucky you.
This is a good piece on what could be ahead for religious liberty issues:
http://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2013/06/26/the_sexual_revolutions_consequences.html
Excerpts:
” … the real problem with gay marriage is that the nature of the marriage union is inherently entwined in the future of the first line of the Bill of Rights: our right to religious liberty. Orthodox believers of Christian, Muslim, and Jewish faiths were slow to understand this. I’m talking about something much bigger here than the discrimination lawsuits brought across the country against bakers and photographers: I’m talking about whether churches will be able to function as public entities in an era where their views on sin, particularly sexual sin, are in direct conflict with not just opinion but the law — and proselytizing those views from the pulpit or in the public square will be viewed as using the protection of religious expression to protect hateful speech. …
“That obvious oncoming clash strikes me as the most troublesome aspect of this, and the one that has received the least attention in the rush to legalize. The argument has been more about benefits and social outcomes and
‘won’t somebody think of the children,’ ignoring the core problem, which raises challenges to the freedom of speech and expression the likes of which led to the pilgrims crossing the sea in the first place.
” … In a nation where fewer people truly practice religion, fewer people external to those communities will see any practical reason to protect the liberty of those who do. The world could in time come full circle to Mrs. Campbell’s old line: You are free to believe, as long as you don’t do it in the streets, so as not to frighten the horses.”
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Donna, I can see Christian bakers, photographers and florist just having to say “we don’t do weddings for anyone.” Actually I see it as refusing to offer a particular product instead or refusing to serve a particular kind of person. In other words, a gay person can buy all the cupcakes they want but we do not do gay weddings. Could you force a Jewish deli to sell you a ham sandwich or a Mormon restaurant owner to sell you a beer.
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Face it folks. The Republic is lost. God’s judgement is upon us. Because Finney weakened the Gospel call to true repentance, the national mindset sees no spiritual consequences for this. I foresee that Gay couples will sue pastors and churches who refuse to perform this act of abomination and affront before the thrice Holy God of the Universe. If every there was a time to secede, now is the time.
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“Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
‘Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.’
He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision.
Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure.”
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I’m beginning to agree with Rick and Joe B. The sins on Sodom were not pertinent to the national destiny. But if a nation begins to celebrate sin, there in no longer any hope.
My heart aches for my grandkids and theirs.
America had a great 100 year run.
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Driversguy, that is down the road, Christian businesses are being threatened and sued out of business, now. This is where we have to draw the line. We can always move worship to the houses, but between this and obamacare forcing Christian businesses to provide abortions and birth control, livelihoods are being lost. The list of occupations that will be closed to our children is growing.
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Not a good day for the vision van.
We weren’t allowed to park it at Blue Ridge Mall, nor WalMart. So we parked it at Sams. Sams has lots of traffic, but it’s a membership store. Not many people who need free eye exams go there. We only had 14 visitors when I left.
Another problem this year was that we didn’t have an interpretor. Most “customers” spoke Spanish. We knew that. A lady from our church ESL class promised that someone would come. But no one.
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Donna, go back to yesterday’s thread. You have unfinished business.
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A young friend, who is a Christian & claims to be conservative (but supports same-sex marriage, extremely strict gun control laws, & now, apparently, abortion rights) writes on Facebook…
“*Happy dancing re: the DOMA failing and everything about Wendy Davis and her B.A. colleagues and supporters forever*”
I read about Wendy Davis & her 11-hour filibuster in Texas, but does anyone know what B.A. stands for? Maybe I missed it in my reading.
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I’d guess bad a**, Karen O.
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Karen, probably a good day to stay away from FB, it’s mostly celebration galore, over and over. I think many of us dissenters have been silenced.
Not a great day to be in a newsroom either. Sigh.
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Two thoughts: 1. Canada is prospering despite ten years of same-sex marriage.
2. Now I can get health insurance for my legally wed partner. It’s hard for me to comprehend why that is a matter for secession.
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I’m missing some big stories. DOMA, The Patriots just fired TE being arrested for murder, the Zimmerman trial…..
But I did catch 7 fish in an hour and a half at the lake today while everyone else swam. 🙂
Perhaps missing isn’t the right word…. 😉
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The Biblical reasoning:
Proverbs 13:24 Righteousness exalts a nation,
But sin is a disgrace to any people.
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It isn’t about insurance for a mate.
It isn’t about joint tax filing.
It’s not opposition to any personal lifestyle, even though I think it’s wrong.
It’s about redefining a tradition that has worked in every single religion and culture since men and women discovered each other.
Nowhere, no time, has it been considered that two men or two women could marry each other. It’s unheard of. Until recently.
It’s part of the Overton Window.
Who knows where it will end.
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drivesguy: That should be Prov 14:34.
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From Drudge
National Cathedral (credit: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — The National Cathedral is pealing its church bells, along with some other Washington churches, to celebrate the Supreme Court’s decisions on gay marriage.
Cathedral spokesman Richard Weinberg said the bells rang at noon Wednesday for 45 minutes to an hour. Bells also rang at other Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian and other Christian churches.
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Then there is the whole Paula Deen hoopla. Can you believe all they are doing to this poor woman because she said something years ago and admitted under oath that she did?????
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No Chas. No one is taking away the Church’s definition of what marriage is. What has happened is that state governments exercising their state sovereignty have determined what the state will license is a civil marriage. The Supreme Court today basically told the feds to stick to federal business and to recognize what states have done. Some Churches will also recognize gay marriages; some won’t.
And no, its not unheard of — you have to go way back and/or to other cultures. Moreover, the current concept of marriage is rather new — marrying for love and not for an arrangement between families mostly to cause some economic gain for one or the other is truly traditional. That’s what European cultures did for thousands of years — whether the kids wanted to marry or not.
If you believe in State’s Rights, then the Court has honored political divisions in the United States.
Drives, so your reason for secession is Proverbs? Really? There is not one nation on the face of this earth that would meet your theistic test. And if there were, if you have American values on freedom of expression, assembly, association, you probably would not want to live in it.
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Someone ask how can the Government force the Gay Rights onto the Church. It is simple it is called tax exempt status. All the Dem and the GLBT Community need to do is put in place a requirement that anyone getting tax exempt status must sign a forum stated their do not discriminate against people, in their written and church belief. They include same sex relationship, the Christian Church must decide what is more important the Word of God or being tax exempt. The church then becomes the target of the IRS and other government control.. All because same sex relationship is being force onto the nation.
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Bells also rang at other Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian, I would not call them Christian Churches.. False church maybe but not Christian..
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Roy,
Are you contending that tax exempt status is a right for religious groups? And that without implicit subsidizing that Churches would cease in some way?
Would you consider a church that combined nationalism into its daily ethos to also be a false church?
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CB has a good point. If we conservatives say we support states rights, then we should agree with the overturning of DOMA on that basis. But I’m guessing that a lot of the people celebrating today are not big states rights fans. 🙂
Also, maybe it’s time for churches to be willing to let go of their tax exempt status. Let’s not let that become some sort of church idol. If a church loses its exemption for preaching the gospel, then God will surely take care of them.
Solarpancake is correct! Turns out B.A. = Bad a__.
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Karen is goes beyond States Rights, right now each States excepts other States Marriages, The Court left that part of DOMA in place so that the States that do not support gay marriage does not have to excpet the States that do support gay marriage license.
What I am point to is the tax exempt status is going to be used to silence the church. If the Church must sign a forum stated their do not discriminate against people, in their written and church belief. They include same sex relationship. Can they also require such a forum when you want to build a church or start a church in the City?
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Kim, don’t get me started on that. After all that’s been done to her, Jason Biggs, who has made terrible sexist remarks, recently and publicly and is unapologetic about it, is still employed by a children’s network.
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Roy,
Building licenses are quite different from tax status. If the worry is about federal grant money, the answer is simple – don’t apply for federal grant money.
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“No one is taking away the Church’s definition of what marriage is.”
What is being taken away is the individual’s right to believe in the Church’s definition of marriage or risk losing their livelihood.
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Roy the church can survive without tax exempt status, what they may have trouble surviving is their members being forced from their jobs and business for refusing to affirm gay marriage. As I have said, tolerance is not enough, they want affirmation and in some cases participation.
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Since I gave up on the US several years ago, recent events were no surprise.
Our Vacation Bible School went well, and reports from our youth camp are good. I am trying real hard to see the trees and ignore the forest. Meanwhile, my son and I are doing a complete analysis of the NBA draft while watching the Rangers and Yankees.
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It is important that we keep our sense of humor. I am resigned to 8 years of Hillary after the final 3 1/2 years of Obama. Let me reintroduce you to the man who will be elected president in 2024:
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-congressman-weiner-takes-lead-nyc-mayoral-race-055448694.html
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It’s not just people who have close friends. Elephants do too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF8em4uPdCg
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RickyWeaver, that is NOT funny. 😦 😦 😦
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I haven’t read the SCOTUS decision, but if they did indeed allow states to make their own traditional marriage laws, then I say that that is what should have been done in the first place. I personally did not like the Republicans overstepping states’ rights in passing DOMA.
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Peter – Bill Clinton was the man who signed it into law
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CB the idea is that they will force people sign a forum stated their do not discriminate against people, in their written and church belief. They include same sex relationship, Before open or building anything.
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kbell I can see Christian beforce from their jobs.
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Peter, I wouldn’t be too confident in the “states’ rights” idea remaining intact on this issue just yet.
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/352107
“The Supreme Court declined to rule that every state in the country must recognize same-sex marriage, but do not be fooled. Five justices have taken the position that there is no rationale other than hostility to homosexuals for defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman. When they believe the time is right to issue a more sweeping ruling, they will. This issue will no longer be one on which democratic deliberation is allowed.”
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And, hey, I got #50 again. On a roll …
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It’s my birthday, and Donna is stealing 50 right out from under my nose. Sigh. (Of course, it wasn’t my birthday yet when she did so, but still. . . .)
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Happy birthday!!!!!!!
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