Just a couple of things to clarify about ‘Signalgate’ and then I’m done with this news headline. 1) Signal was used by the prior administration, so technically speaking there’s nothing wrong with using it. The lawsuits over its use are just lawfare to make headlines, in my opinion. My concern is that the Sec’y of Defense should have a much more secure app at his disposal to use. 2) Signal didn’t fail. It wasn’t hacked or compromised, but worked as intended. The failure was a single human error –if indeed it was an error, and about that I’m mildly skeptical. Is it worthy of someone being fired? Yes, definitely. Should it be Pete Hegseth? No, why should it be? He had nothing to do with adding the reporter’s number, nor is he responsible for it. Should it be Mike Waltz? Don’t know. Did he personally add the number, or did a staffer? At any rate the responsibility is his, and the President says Waltz has acknowledged it. All the rest is headlines to make money, in my opinion. Although it would be a positive outcome and worth the hoopla if it results in a military grade secure app for them to use.
The comparison to the Clinton server is thin. The server was used regularly and there was no human error involved; it was a deliberate violation. And it was covered up and evidence destroyed.
I also notice those shouting and complaining the loudest never uttered a peep during the Clinton debacle. Their outrage is selective, and rings hollow.
Ok, sorry, I lied; I’m posting again about signalgate. This is interesting and it emphasizes the need for top notch military grade communications security.
It’s really not that hard, handling these things smartly. Behaving defensively simply backfires, but politicians seem to always resort to that stance which strings it longer than necessary, the circling fire squad – and yeah, happens consistently on both sides:
~ “I think they should make sure it never happens again. I wish they’d tell us, ‘It will never happen again.’ It’s the first strike in the early stages of an administration,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “Don’t let it ever happen again.”
“I don’t know how many strikes you get. In baseball, you get three. Maybe this is worth two,” he added. “If mistakes like this continue to happen, we’ll deal with them as it happens. My hope and my expectation is that it won’t.” ~
Admit the internal mistakes, pledge to make sure it gets seriously dealt with so it won’t happen again, and then it starts to lose steam.
Defend-defend-defend, blame others, over and over again and you’re simply digging your own hole deeper.
Human nature I suppose, but you’d think politicians would learn the lesson.
The coverup and battening down the hatches and finger pointing? The media had a couple years of coverage out of that as the hearings rolled on and the administration crumbled.
It was a self-inflicted wound by the administration.
I have been watching the differing assessments of the signal situation and have found certain opinions entertaining while concerning.
So many infected with TDS are shouting “gotcha” and insisting that those supporting this administration just admit they goofed. Then they insist that heads roll for this!
Lord have mercy if the other side insisted upon every goof or mostly illegal actions taken by past administrations take responsibility we’d be dead from holding our breath until we turned blue!! Cause we all know when those things happened with the “other guys” it was 100% Trumps fault! 😳
For its part, the Atlantic piled on yesterday, feigning altruistic motives. It released the entire Signal chat archive— despite having high-handedly argued two days ago it withheld those other portions for national security. Surprise, surprise, nothing in the additional texts revealed any national security secrets, and just made the Trump national security team look even better.
But a more entertaining possibility for the new text dump was a different kind of self-defense. The Atlantic seems to have tripped over the National Espionage Act, which criminalizes sharing national defense information. Yesterday the Atlantic, still defiant, began pivoting wildly. It defenestrated its original label for the texts as “secret war plans.”
Suddenly, for some reason (to cover its butt) the Atlantic has started insisting that Golberg never even saw any classified information.
Meanwhile, in related news, another sketchy Democrat NGO sued the Trump Administration over its long-approved use of Signal, as a violation of the official records act. I’d say it was going nowhere fast, but the case was randomly assigned to cadaver-like Judge Boasberg, who is already embroiled in a battle over Tren de Aragua deportations. So who knows.
Here’s an interesting piece about the WSJ and it’s longstanding hostility to Trump.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board is continuing its attempts to undermine President Donald Trump and his administration, often through thinly-veiled “advice” and “suggestions” to the president to obscure their contempt for his America First agenda.
The paper’s decade-long crusade against Trump reveals a view of geopolitics through the clouded lens of a bygone era, when the Journal possessed more influence and its globalist worldview was shared by the elites who dominated Republican Party politics……
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The Journal’s longstanding editorial position in support of open borders and maximalist free trade policies has made it the vanguard of opposition to Trump’s populist economic and immigration policies that prioritize Main Street over Wall Street. And the paper’s hawkish neoconservative foreign policy stances are at odds with Trump’s noninterventionist America First beliefs……
An administration that has sent tech-bros into the bureaucracy under the banner of transparency and responsibility looks incompetent and hypocritical when there are no consequences for incompetence and errors. Waltz and Hesgeth made a mistake but mistakes differ and this isn’t the same as the coffee shop getting my morning coffee wrong. Consequences are needed that are greater than an opps, sorry. The denials and cover-up attempts just made it worse.
Waltz appears to have taken “full responsibility” and not passed the buck to a staffer as earlier suggested by others, which is good. Hesgeth needs to realize his bombastic denials and word parsing aren’t helpful. Attack plans are classified. Gabbard’s comments, ie denial under oarth, also increased the problems.
I still question why Trump was not in the loop — is there a chain of command issue? Who was really in charge of the bombing? Trump needs to do something to signify his authority or he may leave the impression that he’s not really in charge (many people both American and foreign already have that impression – he’s the new sleepy Joe). I’ve always felt that Hesgeth was his weakest appointment — send him packing, established an image of control, and take over the narrative.
It’s also apparent that Signal use is not a one time thing. Messaging apps have become quite common over the last decade and one wonders how often they are used in government and if they are used to circumvent record keeping, transparency, and responsibility. This can be a bipartisan issue as I’m sure the Biden and Trump (1) admins both used messaging apps and group chats. This particular incident could serve as means to motivate Congress to investigate and regulate.
Finally, why is the US bombing Yemen? The Signal has obscured a question that should be asked. And no its not to keep the Europeans happy as stated by Vance. This aligns with my view
Hegseth had nothing to do with it. He’s just the head you leftists are looking for, but aren’t gonna get.
And if these “attack plans” as you call them, which is laughable in itself, are classified, then Goldberg and the Atlantic violated the Espionage Act by publicly publishing them.
You guys need to try harder. This seems like you’re desperately grasping straws, because you are.
There’s a perception and competence issue — Trump wasn’t included in the group chat. Is he in charge? Hesgeth is copying and pasting attack plans into a group chat. Is he competent? There are calls in Europe and the Anglo world to be more cautious in sharing information with Americans not because they aren’t trustworthy (a few do say that) but because they are incompetent. Dumping the least competent — Hesgeth – sends a message – Trump’s in charge and incompetence won’t be tolerant. This isn’t a left wing wish list, this is pragmatic analysis. Hesgeth needs to take one for the team.
Now that I’m commenting……. the lack of seriousness in the group chat was concerning — emojis? fist pumping? This adds to the incompetence and “frat boy” image of the Trump team.
The logical incoherence is also amusing. First, the claim was nothing classified or important was on the chat. Goldberg then released all of it and suddenly he’s releasing sensitive information. They can’t have it both ways. Timing of course is important — prior to the Yemen bombing it would be classified or sensitive, after the bombing not so much especially after Trump officials said there was nothing on the group chat.
I live amongst some very wicked “lawmakers”!🥲 “averted births”!!?? Now that’s classy😡
McCluskie was trying her hardest to put the situation in the most sanitized and digestible language possible.
She was essentially saying that expectant mothers should kill their children rather than give birth, because it would be cheaper for the government.
“This bill will actually decrease costs for our Healthcare Policy and Financing Department, our Medicaid expenditures in both this year and out years, as the savings from averted births outweigh the cost of covering reproductive health care for all Coloradans,” she explained.
Actually — thinking more about this — this particular incident is much more serious than an amateur “break-in.” (AJ, yes, it was — initially — funny, that was the point that maybe you missed; but all the president’s men mucked it up royally, no? The more they tried to cover up, the more things that needed to be exposed were brought out into the light — as is happening now, to be honest.)
So this really should not just go away (but Trump also is ensuring it won’t).
Hegseth was not a good selection. He probably needs to resign and likely it will come to that.
The Trump attorney general, meanwhile, is sounding more like staffer to promote the administration. Vance who seems to despise our allies? Well, good luck to him in Greenland. Musk in his adolescent T-shirts and hats waving his chainsaw … carelessly calling out Americans as traitors just because the richest man in the world has bought his own social media platform and he disagrees with some people more honorable that he is? Shame. It’s quite a show playing out.
Plainly, this is not a good start for Trump 2.0. But it won’t be dull.
And complain about “the media” all you want, but their charge is not to coddle or support an administration (which is what this administration wants and demands).
I’m not in a very good mood this afternoon. 🙂
Politics is politics, I simply don’t put a lot of trust in much of any of it. The nation is divided, angry and paralyzed; the civic virtue so valued by our founders has long gone by the wayside.
And I am thinking this administration does not end well judging from its stumbling start and its ugly hubris.
I hope this changes, I was hoping it wouldn’t be like this … but at this point, I’m not feeling hopeful.
Praying that God will show mercy on this nation, that we come back to our senses, remains our best hope.
OK, that’s my rant for the day 🙂 I don’t do it often, but as I said, I’ve been in a bad mood today. It happens. lol
I think Hegseth is already making the military more desirable to men and I’ve heard recruitment is up. He’s not my favorite person, but he seems to be doing a credible job so far. This incident is unfortunate. I would not want to see it happen again or it might start to look even more deliberate. And that might prompt DOJ to get involved. Surely the Chainsaw Massacrer is providing all the drama our click-bait addicted media can provide. (If course, if we didn’t click they would probably stop providing it. So there’s that.)
The buck stops with Trump. He’s satisfied with Waltz, so I’m waiting to see if there are more missteps and who makes them.
For now, I consider my cup of outrage to be full. Indeed, it runneth over. But tomorrow is another day, another opportunity to be traumatized and dramatized out of all common sense. Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof, and all that. :–)
Resign? That would be way overboard based on what actually happened.
I would liken this to having a classified document out and leaving it on your desk unattended. Or accidentally bringing your phone into a SCIF. Incidents like this are called “security violations” and generally result in a reprimand and paperwork being filed.
If Goldberg’s inclusion in the chat was intentional, then that’s an entirely different matter.
It’s more liberal lawfare. Dems and their Deep State are losing ground everyday. They are desperate to change the story to have a fake crisis that they can champion. The Anti-American media is desperate to stop covering the successes of the Trump Administration.
Ty, the latest polls are indicating most of us, across the political board, think this incident was serious. Numbers not trending well for the administration on this.
Ultimately (@10:19), yes it will stop there. Probably not the best news for the administration right now.
~ The Signal mess is a real mess, not something that will fade away quickly, because it’s one of those scandals that give the world a picture of a new administration. ~ – Noonan
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Just a couple of things to clarify about ‘Signalgate’ and then I’m done with this news headline. 1) Signal was used by the prior administration, so technically speaking there’s nothing wrong with using it. The lawsuits over its use are just lawfare to make headlines, in my opinion. My concern is that the Sec’y of Defense should have a much more secure app at his disposal to use. 2) Signal didn’t fail. It wasn’t hacked or compromised, but worked as intended. The failure was a single human error –if indeed it was an error, and about that I’m mildly skeptical. Is it worthy of someone being fired? Yes, definitely. Should it be Pete Hegseth? No, why should it be? He had nothing to do with adding the reporter’s number, nor is he responsible for it. Should it be Mike Waltz? Don’t know. Did he personally add the number, or did a staffer? At any rate the responsibility is his, and the President says Waltz has acknowledged it. All the rest is headlines to make money, in my opinion. Although it would be a positive outcome and worth the hoopla if it results in a military grade secure app for them to use.
The comparison to the Clinton server is thin. The server was used regularly and there was no human error involved; it was a deliberate violation. And it was covered up and evidence destroyed.
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Well put Debra.
I also notice those shouting and complaining the loudest never uttered a peep during the Clinton debacle. Their outrage is selective, and rings hollow.
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Things that may you go hmmmmm….
All this as she’s brought before Congress. It’s not a coincidence.
https://x.com/OcrazioCornPop/status/1905233167272779893?t=OIP2_YRI3pdVKqTNILoeCg&s=19
“SIGNAL SCANDAL: Katherine Maher, the leftist NPR CEO, is currently the Chair of the Board of Signal!
WHAT ARE THE ODDS?”
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Ok, sorry, I lied; I’m posting again about signalgate. This is interesting and it emphasizes the need for top notch military grade communications security.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/26/gabbard-signal-government-devices-cybersecurity-00250731
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Weird, right?
But exactly what I expect from our corrupt, based media.
https://x.com/ericmmatheny/status/1904843314630635679?t=pOxeGDDkphleKFQsl1jt4g&s=19
“This bull$#%@ Pete Hegseth/Signal story has lasted longer in the news cycle than both of Trump’s assassination attempts combined.”
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It’s really not that hard, handling these things smartly. Behaving defensively simply backfires, but politicians seem to always resort to that stance which strings it longer than necessary, the circling fire squad – and yeah, happens consistently on both sides:
~ “I think they should make sure it never happens again. I wish they’d tell us, ‘It will never happen again.’ It’s the first strike in the early stages of an administration,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “Don’t let it ever happen again.”
“I don’t know how many strikes you get. In baseball, you get three. Maybe this is worth two,” he added. “If mistakes like this continue to happen, we’ll deal with them as it happens. My hope and my expectation is that it won’t.” ~
Admit the internal mistakes, pledge to make sure it gets seriously dealt with so it won’t happen again, and then it starts to lose steam.
Defend-defend-defend, blame others, over and over again and you’re simply digging your own hole deeper.
Human nature I suppose, but you’d think politicians would learn the lesson.
I keep thinking about Watergate …
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The break-in … Not that big a deal.
The coverup and battening down the hatches and finger pointing? The media had a couple years of coverage out of that as the hearings rolled on and the administration crumbled.
It was a self-inflicted wound by the administration.
Lessons.
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Watergate?! Seriously? Lol, why not. Everything’s a ‘-gate’ now in the media.
If anyone only watches msm they probably think the administration has not admitted it was a mistake.
debra
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I have been watching the differing assessments of the signal situation and have found certain opinions entertaining while concerning.
So many infected with TDS are shouting “gotcha” and insisting that those supporting this administration just admit they goofed. Then they insist that heads roll for this!
Lord have mercy if the other side insisted upon every goof or mostly illegal actions taken by past administrations take responsibility we’d be dead from holding our breath until we turned blue!! Cause we all know when those things happened with the “other guys” it was 100% Trumps fault! 😳
nj
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Childers:
For its part, the Atlantic piled on yesterday, feigning altruistic motives. It released the entire Signal chat archive— despite having high-handedly argued two days ago it withheld those other portions for national security. Surprise, surprise, nothing in the additional texts revealed any national security secrets, and just made the Trump national security team look even better.
But a more entertaining possibility for the new text dump was a different kind of self-defense. The Atlantic seems to have tripped over the National Espionage Act, which criminalizes sharing national defense information. Yesterday the Atlantic, still defiant, began pivoting wildly. It defenestrated its original label for the texts as “secret war plans.”
Suddenly, for some reason (to cover its butt) the Atlantic has started insisting that Golberg never even saw any classified information.
Meanwhile, in related news, another sketchy Democrat NGO sued the Trump Administration over its long-approved use of Signal, as a violation of the official records act. I’d say it was going nowhere fast, but the case was randomly assigned to cadaver-like Judge Boasberg, who is already embroiled in a battle over Tren de Aragua deportations. So who knows.
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It’s all quite fascinating. Watching and waiting for the truth to be revealed. I don’t think the whole story is known yet.
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Here’s an interesting piece about the WSJ and it’s longstanding hostility to Trump.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board is continuing its attempts to undermine President Donald Trump and his administration, often through thinly-veiled “advice” and “suggestions” to the president to obscure their contempt for his America First agenda.
The paper’s decade-long crusade against Trump reveals a view of geopolitics through the clouded lens of a bygone era, when the Journal possessed more influence and its globalist worldview was shared by the elites who dominated Republican Party politics……
…
The Journal’s longstanding editorial position in support of open borders and maximalist free trade policies has made it the vanguard of opposition to Trump’s populist economic and immigration policies that prioritize Main Street over Wall Street. And the paper’s hawkish neoconservative foreign policy stances are at odds with Trump’s noninterventionist America First beliefs……
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2025/03/27/wsj-editorial-boards-work-to-undermine-donald-trump-has-persisted-for-a-decade/
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An administration that has sent tech-bros into the bureaucracy under the banner of transparency and responsibility looks incompetent and hypocritical when there are no consequences for incompetence and errors. Waltz and Hesgeth made a mistake but mistakes differ and this isn’t the same as the coffee shop getting my morning coffee wrong. Consequences are needed that are greater than an opps, sorry. The denials and cover-up attempts just made it worse.
Waltz appears to have taken “full responsibility” and not passed the buck to a staffer as earlier suggested by others, which is good. Hesgeth needs to realize his bombastic denials and word parsing aren’t helpful. Attack plans are classified. Gabbard’s comments, ie denial under oarth, also increased the problems.
I still question why Trump was not in the loop — is there a chain of command issue? Who was really in charge of the bombing? Trump needs to do something to signify his authority or he may leave the impression that he’s not really in charge (many people both American and foreign already have that impression – he’s the new sleepy Joe). I’ve always felt that Hesgeth was his weakest appointment — send him packing, established an image of control, and take over the narrative.
It’s also apparent that Signal use is not a one time thing. Messaging apps have become quite common over the last decade and one wonders how often they are used in government and if they are used to circumvent record keeping, transparency, and responsibility. This can be a bipartisan issue as I’m sure the Biden and Trump (1) admins both used messaging apps and group chats. This particular incident could serve as means to motivate Congress to investigate and regulate.
Finally, why is the US bombing Yemen? The Signal has obscured a question that should be asked. And no its not to keep the Europeans happy as stated by Vance. This aligns with my view
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/28/trump-cabinet-military-signal-chat-yemen
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Hegseth had nothing to do with it. He’s just the head you leftists are looking for, but aren’t gonna get.
And if these “attack plans” as you call them, which is laughable in itself, are classified, then Goldberg and the Atlantic violated the Espionage Act by publicly publishing them.
You guys need to try harder. This seems like you’re desperately grasping straws, because you are.
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And Watergate comparisons Dj?
Really? I hope that was an attempt at comedy, because it’s funny.
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There’s a perception and competence issue — Trump wasn’t included in the group chat. Is he in charge? Hesgeth is copying and pasting attack plans into a group chat. Is he competent? There are calls in Europe and the Anglo world to be more cautious in sharing information with Americans not because they aren’t trustworthy (a few do say that) but because they are incompetent. Dumping the least competent — Hesgeth – sends a message – Trump’s in charge and incompetence won’t be tolerant. This isn’t a left wing wish list, this is pragmatic analysis. Hesgeth needs to take one for the team.
Now that I’m commenting……. the lack of seriousness in the group chat was concerning — emojis? fist pumping? This adds to the incompetence and “frat boy” image of the Trump team.
The logical incoherence is also amusing. First, the claim was nothing classified or important was on the chat. Goldberg then released all of it and suddenly he’s releasing sensitive information. They can’t have it both ways. Timing of course is important — prior to the Yemen bombing it would be classified or sensitive, after the bombing not so much especially after Trump officials said there was nothing on the group chat.
hrw
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I live amongst some very wicked “lawmakers”!🥲 “averted births”!!?? Now that’s classy😡
McCluskie was trying her hardest to put the situation in the most sanitized and digestible language possible.
She was essentially saying that expectant mothers should kill their children rather than give birth, because it would be cheaper for the government.
“This bill will actually decrease costs for our Healthcare Policy and Financing Department, our Medicaid expenditures in both this year and out years, as the savings from averted births outweigh the cost of covering reproductive health care for all Coloradans,” she explained.
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Actually — thinking more about this — this particular incident is much more serious than an amateur “break-in.” (AJ, yes, it was — initially — funny, that was the point that maybe you missed; but all the president’s men mucked it up royally, no? The more they tried to cover up, the more things that needed to be exposed were brought out into the light — as is happening now, to be honest.)
So this really should not just go away (but Trump also is ensuring it won’t).
Hegseth was not a good selection. He probably needs to resign and likely it will come to that.
The Trump attorney general, meanwhile, is sounding more like staffer to promote the administration. Vance who seems to despise our allies? Well, good luck to him in Greenland. Musk in his adolescent T-shirts and hats waving his chainsaw … carelessly calling out Americans as traitors just because the richest man in the world has bought his own social media platform and he disagrees with some people more honorable that he is? Shame. It’s quite a show playing out.
Plainly, this is not a good start for Trump 2.0. But it won’t be dull.
And complain about “the media” all you want, but their charge is not to coddle or support an administration (which is what this administration wants and demands).
I’m not in a very good mood this afternoon. 🙂
Politics is politics, I simply don’t put a lot of trust in much of any of it. The nation is divided, angry and paralyzed; the civic virtue so valued by our founders has long gone by the wayside.
And I am thinking this administration does not end well judging from its stumbling start and its ugly hubris.
I hope this changes, I was hoping it wouldn’t be like this … but at this point, I’m not feeling hopeful.
Praying that God will show mercy on this nation, that we come back to our senses, remains our best hope.
OK, that’s my rant for the day 🙂 I don’t do it often, but as I said, I’ve been in a bad mood today. It happens. lol
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I think Hegseth is already making the military more desirable to men and I’ve heard recruitment is up. He’s not my favorite person, but he seems to be doing a credible job so far. This incident is unfortunate. I would not want to see it happen again or it might start to look even more deliberate. And that might prompt DOJ to get involved. Surely the Chainsaw Massacrer is providing all the drama our click-bait addicted media can provide. (If course, if we didn’t click they would probably stop providing it. So there’s that.)
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@3:18, yep, that would be consistent with a Brietbart opinion post. Not surprised …
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Hegseth is at the top of this, uh, “misstep.” Where the proverbial buck is supposed to stop, as understood by those who still have some honor.
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Musk is a true gift to the media, Debra. 🙂
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@11:18 — “outrage is selective”
And that very identical behavior isn’t playing out on the far right as we speak?
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The buck stops with Trump. He’s satisfied with Waltz, so I’m waiting to see if there are more missteps and who makes them.
For now, I consider my cup of outrage to be full. Indeed, it runneth over. But tomorrow is another day, another opportunity to be traumatized and dramatized out of all common sense. Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof, and all that. :–)
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‘Averted babies.’ 😦 😦 😦
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Resign? That would be way overboard based on what actually happened.
I would liken this to having a classified document out and leaving it on your desk unattended. Or accidentally bringing your phone into a SCIF. Incidents like this are called “security violations” and generally result in a reprimand and paperwork being filed.
If Goldberg’s inclusion in the chat was intentional, then that’s an entirely different matter.
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It’s more liberal lawfare. Dems and their Deep State are losing ground everyday. They are desperate to change the story to have a fake crisis that they can champion. The Anti-American media is desperate to stop covering the successes of the Trump Administration.
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Ty, the latest polls are indicating most of us, across the political board, think this incident was serious. Numbers not trending well for the administration on this.
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Ultimately (@10:19), yes it will stop there. Probably not the best news for the administration right now.
~ The Signal mess is a real mess, not something that will fade away quickly, because it’s one of those scandals that give the world a picture of a new administration. ~ – Noonan
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