“The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.
(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.”
More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieveNow close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.
“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.
That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸”
The hunters are now afraid they might be hunted too.
While I hate to see this for anyone, if you violated people’s rights and took them to the poor house, and they clearly did to thousands, then you need to pay a price for it. Justice demands it, and they know it too, hence the CYA mode.
“Rolling Stone this week confirmed reports that Jack Smith, his prosecutors, and even staffers are lawyering up and terrified about the prospect of a Trump DOJ investigation into the special counsel’s office.”
Multiple people who worked with Smith and his core team have preemptively reviewed their private and professional communications, to make sure they hadn’t written anything that could be subpoenaed, publicly revealed, and used against them to paint a narrative of alleged misconduct or supposed anti-Trump bias.”
Smith and his team of thugs are considering how to protect their assets–including their spouses’–and prevent going bankrupt.”
Some federal investigators, including more junior staff, have talked to attorneys and legal groups about possible ways a rejuvenated Trump Justice Department could try to make their lives hell, what precautionary measures they should take, and even how to avoid going bankrupt if the revenge probes come in full force, the sources add.”
A teacher near us just received an award for his teaching. He was thus profiled on the news. One comment from a parent was that he did not get excited about a student handing something in late. We can certainly have teachers who go overboard the over way, but do we really want them to ignore deadlines? What does it teach them? Worse is the teacher who allows it for only certain students, IMO.
I know several teachers who are sticking to teaching, but very unhappy with the laxness of discipline, particularly with certain students. It is a lose/lose for everyone. However, you are called a racist if you call it out. Thank God for those parents who object to their own children allowed to think such behavior is okay.
@11:08 ““The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. ”
AJ, I very much disagree. They are 100% wrong. I am well aware that there is a problem with American workers. Importing foreign workers for the very best jobs is NOT a good answer to the problem. It’s a dishonest answer and a complete betrayal of the American people and the America first agenda. We have personally seen enough first hand examples of corporate perfidy to know that corporate weasels will use any means necessary to reduce their workers to the status of slaves. If that’s the best Ramaswamy and Musk have to offer, they can pound sand.
Corporations are lazy and cheap. They’d rather not train their own workers rather they expected them to be on task on day 1. Yet they are too cheap to pay the taxes for the public education system to function properly. So they hire overseas workers whose home country provided a good free education and are willing to work cheap.
Studies have shown that first generation kids have more social problems than new immigrants or second, third, etc generation American/Canadians. There’s a cultural tension between parents/family and society. These are not the best workers to hire.
However, in terms of Asians, lazy corporations go with the positive racism of Asian stereotypes. They expect Asian-Americans to perform well despite the usual problem of first generation immigrant kids. Corporations also, again lazily, hire Asian Americans based on the idea they will fit the company “culture” with Asians holding work visas. This despite the obvious cultural difference between the two groups.
Finally Vivek is perpetuating the “tiger” parenting myth. East Asian parents are like any other parenting group — that is, they parent in a way that is comfortable for them and this varies within the ethnicity. Many of the “tiger” characteristics — less sleep overs, less Friends reruns, etc — reflet parent uncomfortable and hesitation with broader American culture and not an actual parenting technique. Its this hesitation that also leads to problems for generation kids caught between conflicting cultures.
In the end, I’m surprised with any Trump supporter who chanted build the wall and then endorses this message from Vivek.
I agree with HRW, at least partially. Our personal experience with h1-b is not good because the companies do not act in good faith.
1) The people are NOT trained and ready to work on day one and the companies know it. We knew one man who was forced to train his h1-b replacement for 6 months after which he was laid off. We’ve known entire departments to be laid off and replaced by foreign workers .
2) Another company (well it was GE actually) promised its h1-b employees a $30,000 bonus if they would work for them for 3 years at sub-standard wages. Then just before the term ended they would send them back to India to avoid the bonus, and bring a new batch from India. We helped one couple at our church avoid being sent back by helping them find a more honest employer before GE could send them back.
3) A friend of husband’s was an h1-b employee for one company, and he managed to get a green card. He was excited because he thought his employers would be pleased at his initiative, but when he told them, he was immediately dismissed. These companies don’t want skill or initiative, they’re looking for people who are fearful of losing their employment and are therefore easily manipulated.
I could go on. It’s not the immigrants, it’s the soulless companies and their conniving management. This argument in favor of increasing h1-b is the flip side of the very same con that sent our jobs overseas. Vivek is right about one thing though–the problem is seen in the culture. But it’s not just the culture at the bottom. The traitorous, greedy, cancerous, covetous culture at the top is encapsulated in the words of The Preacher: The leach has two daughters, Give and Give. And these leaches of ours are never satisfied.
There’s no denying that Americans, especially younger Americans, have poor work ethics, many think they deserve a huge check just for showing up. They’re an entitled lot, and are clueless to how the real world works. It’s an obvious problem, and I largely blame our horrendous public “education” system.
Now that being said the HB1 visa system is being abused at every opportunity and needs an immediate shut down and house cleaning. DEI focused companies exploit it while ignoring qualified white Americans to hit their self mandated diversity quotas. It’s clearly broken. Plus they exploit the foreign workers with lower pay.
All that being said, there is a need for some foreign born, qualified workers.
This is an issue Trump should deal with on day one, along with the mass deportation of illegal invaders.
We are not desperate for more h1-b. That’s just another con. And I’m not sure I trust interested persons like Musk and Ramaswamy to overhaul h1-b. If they just stick to things such as those mentioned in the Festivus Report they will be doing us a real service I think. If they meander off into areas like h1-b which are not at all related to DOGE, then they lose their credibility. If I wanted either one of them for president I’d have voted accordingly. And if Trump wanted either of them for VP, he should have chosen accordingly. I’m not at all satisfied with Vivek’s take on this.
“The H-1B visa system is not MAGA or America First. It is a cheap labor scam that is abused massively by outsourcing firms. The people receiving H-1B visas are mediocre in talent.
The O-1 visa is America First. That is a program designed for the top 1% that Elon spoke about.”
“I’ve been scrolling through approved H-1B visas all morning and it’s far worse than I thought. I’m talking janitors, line cooks, secretaries, and every entry level position you can think of.
The worst culprit by far is Cognizant who got almost 7,000 H-1B visas approved in 2024 alone. These people need to be investigated for defrauding the American people.”
“Instead of hiring recent Virginia public school and university graduates from the Virginia residency pool…
The @VaTax Virginia Department of Taxation is paying six figure + salaries $113,000!! to foreigners on H1B visas to help collect tax money from Virginians”
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And the DEI Depts in US universities are exploiting it also.
“Wake Forest University couldn’t find any assistant track coaches in all of America. If they hadn’t hired a foreign assistant track coach, then our competitors, China and India, might start wining Olympic track medals. This is life or death for America!”
“Bannon: The real rot is in engineering schools. Instead of admitting American citizens—Blacks, Hispanics, and the White working class—they prioritize foreign students who pay full freight, funding professors’ salaries and pensions. The whole system is a scam.”
“The reason H1B is required is because our education system failed our kids. America ranks 13th in reading, 18th in math & science. While India & China emphasize STEM, America promotes liberal arts & diversity inclusion.”
“I’ve been scrolling through approved H-1B visas all morning and it’s far worse than I thought. I’m talking janitors, line cooks, secretaries, and every entry level position you can think of.
The worst culprit by far is Cognizant who got almost 7,000 H-1B visas approved in 2024 alone. These people need to be investigated for defrauding the American people.”
“A big shot employment attorney in California called me last night re: H1B visa fraud / trafficking of workers. Here’s what she said:
The market is cornered by visa body shops who apply for ~50% of the visas.
The economics of it: These body shops are headed by former hiring managers from Big Tech companies. They bring people to America, rent apartments for them, and house about 10 together in one apartment.
They put these recipients through a ~4 week bootcamp of basic tech training, fraudulently rewrite their resumes, teach them how to interview.
The body shops land them jobs, primarily at the companies these hiring managers came from, and pay the workers less than half of the money in hand.
Ex. Job is listed as a $200k salary, but the company is contracted with the body shop *not* the H1B worker, and the worker is actually paid closer to $40 an hour.
The body shops pocket most of the money and are making millions by essentially trafficking people.
Sure, the abuse and fraud must end, but we are not rearing adults who can accomplish. We are raising a bunch of takers. A few good ones sneak through but until we address that, makes sense to hire folk who will achieve.
“Apparently there’s no alumni of @VMI1839 Virginia Military Institute that’s a US citizen willing to earn $142,000 per year to be an Assistant Professor at their Alma mater…
So off to the H1B visas to bring in a foreigner to teach our future military members about tactics and discipline”
From above I can gather American corporations are worse than lazy — its straight exploitation. (AJ — yes there’s a distinction between legal and illegal but in this case the legality is just a cover for the same exploitation)
Not only that, the corporate elite are now blaming the American family/schools for their need for cheap foreign labour. Apparently you don’t raise your children properly so Amazon needs to go abroad for workers.
Yet the US has the best post secondary institutions in the world by far. So post secondary education is not the problem. Yes, the US has along with the rest of the English speaking world used foreign students to make up for the lack of funding. Foreign students pay full tuition and thus subsidise US/Cdn students. Canadian community colleges exploited this program so badly that local infrastructure couldn’t handle the increase in students. But US universities are by far the best for both citizens and foreign student.
If post secondary is not the problem, then what about public school? The US ranks 32 in Math, 15th in Science, and 8th in Reading. Math is weak but the other scores are average to above average for OECD countries. Canada is a bit better than the US (8th, 8th and 7th). Our school systems are extremely similar – the one difference is funding. Our schools are funded province wide so poor school districts are not at a disadvantage. A simple change to state wide funding would probably help. Education although it can be weak in certain areas doesn’t seem to be the issue either.
Perhaps Vivek is right and there are too many sleep overs and Friends reruns? Yet compared to the rest of the OECD families – the US are more religious, and more intact. If any countries are soft on their youth its the Nordic countries not the US. If traditional values (which I think is Vivek argument) result in hard work and success, then US families and their children should be exemplary in this regard.
Are Americans lazy then? Again by OECD standards, they are in the top dozen in hours worked. Europeans routinely mock Americans for their overwork. And its not like they just punch the clock; Americans are in the top 10 in terms of productivity
Perhaps then Vivek and others are simply wrong. Americans are not the problem, it’s their corporations.
I know some workers are bad, but is that a justification for treating good workers poorly? Since when is supporting a policy that is actually laying off good workers in order to replace them with cheap h1b’s a rational, righteous solution? Just wondering.
The people that I am familiar with – those I know at least somewhat, and those I hear about – seem to be, in general, decent workers, striving to make a living. As for Nightingale and her friends and acquaintances, they all have pretty good jobs and are working to better their circumstances for themselves and their families.
“Funny you should ask, I’ve been investigating the fraud in the F-1 Student Visa system too.
It’s just as big of a rabbit hole as the H-1B stuff and the two are very interconnected. Buckle up because this one is something.
Here’s the game. Students from India fake their undergraduate degrees and just apply straight to Masters programs. The reasons for this relate to H-1B reqs and other things but also because colleges have gone full woke and stupidly don’t have any way to verify the undergraduate certificates. So they just accept them most of the time. Canada is much worse btw, they have actual diploma mills with like 80k Indian students.
Once the student has been accepted for their masters the fun part begins. They pay people with masters degrees in India to do the work for them and they have people within the masters programs themselves who are complicit (that whole nepotism thing again) to help them. This means they can skate through the masters program without getting caught. While they are “at school” they drive for uber/doordash for money.
Once they “graduate” and finish their masters they are now here illegally so it’s time to defraud the H-1B system. Enter the Indian H-1B consultants.
The grift is basically this. The employee is a “subcontractor” working for the consulting firm and being subcontracted out to one of their clients. The problem is they don’t have a Visa. So the consulting firm just fakes an H-1B Visa. Since it’s the consulting firm’s job to check, the company is none the wiser that they are actually using illegal labor.
Obviously the “contractor” has no idea what they are doing so this work is also outsourced back to someone in India that the H-1B consultant has set up.
The payment is made to the consulting firm and the worker is paid under the table. From what I’ve been told these are very predatory agreements so it usually means the worker has to still drive uber etc.
Once the first contract is finished. They now have real experience to put on their resume with a real reference and everything. So they begin the process of actually applying for their H-1B. The consultant once again manages the whole process, commits a ton of fraud to get through the lottery system. Finds a company who needs a permanent IT hire. Company then sponsors the candidate and voila. They’ve committed like 10 instances of fraud but the person is now legit, has an H-1B and can work in the US.
Maybe we should rethink that whole “staple a green card to every diploma” idea.”
Yes, fraud and corruption need to be addressed. But don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. We went to Greece and Italy on those visas. Mike used it for Vancouver, Toronto, South Africa. They were able to access experience with previous Olympics that way, and develop relationships and understanding between countries.
As to Kizzie’s work comment. As mentioned, some sneak through. My first four are all honorably employed and contributing. The next nine, not so much. The youngest all insist they won’t take a job for under twenty dollars an hour but none has the education or work ethic to back that up. They seem to change jobs every few months, either they quit or get fired for things like drunk on the job or not showing up for work or misuse of position.
Living in a state with a seven dollar plus minimum wage, I have for the past twenty years offered ten to twenty per hour for simple unskilled labor with bonuses. Other than a couple of sixty plus year olds and two teen age girls who took eight hours to paint two pieces of plywood, I have not had much success. And one mid thirties guy who spent days on his phone in exchange for my Mustang.
Most of my gainfully employed people are also in the position of hiring and firing. Often they hear things like: I don’t work over five hours a day, I can’t work more than three days a week, some days I won’t be able to come in….it is tough.
The work ethic, or lack thereof, comes from the home, the school, the society. We have gone from the greatest generation to this in very short order. In my view, it comes from teaching people they have no value (you come from pond scum) and then giving them awards for showing up.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater? The US citizen is the greatest value in this discussion (the baby), not visas (the bath water). Corporate America and their supporters are actively throwing out citizens and keeping the visas—throwing out the baby and keeping the bathwater. And they’ve been doing it for too many years to deserve the benefit of the doubt.
First and foremost it is the duty of the American government to consider the well being of the American citizen. And until that is acknowledged and the pervasive fraud stopped, there is absolutely no legitimate reason to talk of expanding H1B visas.
Wandering Views 
“•Called for Trump to resign on Jan 7, 2021
• Promoted lie about Brian Sicknick’s death, still refers to him as “slain” officer
• Swooned over Cassidy Hutchinson while defending work of J6 select committee
• Demonstrates no interest in unraveling J6 narrative
NTY? Nope @WSJ”
https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1872396334323613865?t=y6kGH-BH2ckmUJIM74aH0Q&s=19
Useless.
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He’s not wrong.
https://x.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1872312139945234507?t=B4GoP3T6Jby2YgrQ-htKMA&s=19
“The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.
(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.”
More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieveNow close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.
“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.
That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸”
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The hunters are now afraid they might be hunted too.
While I hate to see this for anyone, if you violated people’s rights and took them to the poor house, and they clearly did to thousands, then you need to pay a price for it. Justice demands it, and they know it too, hence the CYA mode.
https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1872676595330142409?t=SUZj4HwJXYuCqQxs2VoO3Q&s=19
“Rolling Stone this week confirmed reports that Jack Smith, his prosecutors, and even staffers are lawyering up and terrified about the prospect of a Trump DOJ investigation into the special counsel’s office.”
Multiple people who worked with Smith and his core team have preemptively reviewed their private and professional communications, to make sure they hadn’t written anything that could be subpoenaed, publicly revealed, and used against them to paint a narrative of alleged misconduct or supposed anti-Trump bias.”
Smith and his team of thugs are considering how to protect their assets–including their spouses’–and prevent going bankrupt.”
Some federal investigators, including more junior staff, have talked to attorneys and legal groups about possible ways a rejuvenated Trump Justice Department could try to make their lives hell, what precautionary measures they should take, and even how to avoid going bankrupt if the revenge probes come in full force, the sources add.”
Hunters are the hunted–and it’s about time.”
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A teacher near us just received an award for his teaching. He was thus profiled on the news. One comment from a parent was that he did not get excited about a student handing something in late. We can certainly have teachers who go overboard the over way, but do we really want them to ignore deadlines? What does it teach them? Worse is the teacher who allows it for only certain students, IMO.
I know several teachers who are sticking to teaching, but very unhappy with the laxness of discipline, particularly with certain students. It is a lose/lose for everyone. However, you are called a racist if you call it out. Thank God for those parents who object to their own children allowed to think such behavior is okay.
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@11:08 ““The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. ”
AJ, I very much disagree. They are 100% wrong. I am well aware that there is a problem with American workers. Importing foreign workers for the very best jobs is NOT a good answer to the problem. It’s a dishonest answer and a complete betrayal of the American people and the America first agenda. We have personally seen enough first hand examples of corporate perfidy to know that corporate weasels will use any means necessary to reduce their workers to the status of slaves. If that’s the best Ramaswamy and Musk have to offer, they can pound sand.
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Couple of comments on Vivek/Musk
Corporations are lazy and cheap. They’d rather not train their own workers rather they expected them to be on task on day 1. Yet they are too cheap to pay the taxes for the public education system to function properly. So they hire overseas workers whose home country provided a good free education and are willing to work cheap.
Studies have shown that first generation kids have more social problems than new immigrants or second, third, etc generation American/Canadians. There’s a cultural tension between parents/family and society. These are not the best workers to hire.
However, in terms of Asians, lazy corporations go with the positive racism of Asian stereotypes. They expect Asian-Americans to perform well despite the usual problem of first generation immigrant kids. Corporations also, again lazily, hire Asian Americans based on the idea they will fit the company “culture” with Asians holding work visas. This despite the obvious cultural difference between the two groups.
Finally Vivek is perpetuating the “tiger” parenting myth. East Asian parents are like any other parenting group — that is, they parent in a way that is comfortable for them and this varies within the ethnicity. Many of the “tiger” characteristics — less sleep overs, less Friends reruns, etc — reflet parent uncomfortable and hesitation with broader American culture and not an actual parenting technique. Its this hesitation that also leads to problems for generation kids caught between conflicting cultures.
In the end, I’m surprised with any Trump supporter who chanted build the wall and then endorses this message from Vivek.
hrw
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Ublic education systems can not function properly no matter how much money is dumped into them.
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HRW,
What part of we support legal immigration, but not illegal immigration is confounding you so?
It’s consistently been the point most Trump supporters make. Legal, not illegal. It’s a really simple concept really.
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I agree with HRW, at least partially. Our personal experience with h1-b is not good because the companies do not act in good faith.
1) The people are NOT trained and ready to work on day one and the companies know it. We knew one man who was forced to train his h1-b replacement for 6 months after which he was laid off. We’ve known entire departments to be laid off and replaced by foreign workers .
2) Another company (well it was GE actually) promised its h1-b employees a $30,000 bonus if they would work for them for 3 years at sub-standard wages. Then just before the term ended they would send them back to India to avoid the bonus, and bring a new batch from India. We helped one couple at our church avoid being sent back by helping them find a more honest employer before GE could send them back.
3) A friend of husband’s was an h1-b employee for one company, and he managed to get a green card. He was excited because he thought his employers would be pleased at his initiative, but when he told them, he was immediately dismissed. These companies don’t want skill or initiative, they’re looking for people who are fearful of losing their employment and are therefore easily manipulated.
I could go on. It’s not the immigrants, it’s the soulless companies and their conniving management. This argument in favor of increasing h1-b is the flip side of the very same con that sent our jobs overseas. Vivek is right about one thing though–the problem is seen in the culture. But it’s not just the culture at the bottom. The traitorous, greedy, cancerous, covetous culture at the top is encapsulated in the words of The Preacher: The leach has two daughters, Give and Give. And these leaches of ours are never satisfied.
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Debra,
There’s no denying that Americans, especially younger Americans, have poor work ethics, many think they deserve a huge check just for showing up. They’re an entitled lot, and are clueless to how the real world works. It’s an obvious problem, and I largely blame our horrendous public “education” system.
Now that being said the HB1 visa system is being abused at every opportunity and needs an immediate shut down and house cleaning. DEI focused companies exploit it while ignoring qualified white Americans to hit their self mandated diversity quotas. It’s clearly broken. Plus they exploit the foreign workers with lower pay.
All that being said, there is a need for some foreign born, qualified workers.
This is an issue Trump should deal with on day one, along with the mass deportation of illegal invaders.
Allen
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We are not desperate for more h1-b. That’s just another con. And I’m not sure I trust interested persons like Musk and Ramaswamy to overhaul h1-b. If they just stick to things such as those mentioned in the Festivus Report they will be doing us a real service I think. If they meander off into areas like h1-b which are not at all related to DOGE, then they lose their credibility. If I wanted either one of them for president I’d have voted accordingly. And if Trump wanted either of them for VP, he should have chosen accordingly. I’m not at all satisfied with Vivek’s take on this.
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This sums up the issues with HB1s nicely.
https://x.com/WallStreetMav/status/1872758642946330801?t=gmb3OxKd04OrwsYCgeZWlQ&s=19
“The H-1B visa system is not MAGA or America First. It is a cheap labor scam that is abused massively by outsourcing firms. The people receiving H-1B visas are mediocre in talent.
The O-1 visa is America First. That is a program designed for the top 1% that Elon spoke about.”
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https://x.com/Anc_Aesthetics/status/1872736287662456971?t=iUyWmnmUWlnYNDJuVasUXg&s=19
“I’ve been scrolling through approved H-1B visas all morning and it’s far worse than I thought. I’m talking janitors, line cooks, secretaries, and every entry level position you can think of.
The worst culprit by far is Cognizant who got almost 7,000 H-1B visas approved in 2024 alone. These people need to be investigated for defrauding the American people.”
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Even govts in the US are exploiting it.
https://x.com/NoVA_Campaigns/status/1872825587330629697?t=pYdu6UndyzVhirtmGi0uoQ&s=19
“Instead of hiring recent Virginia public school and university graduates from the Virginia residency pool…
The @VaTax Virginia Department of Taxation is paying six figure + salaries $113,000!! to foreigners on H1B visas to help collect tax money from Virginians”
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And the DEI Depts in US universities are exploiting it also.
https://x.com/n3liason/status/1872483186460209338?t=PEEsMe-rioHjAMOm_vZn9g&s=19
“Wake Forest University couldn’t find any assistant track coaches in all of America. If they hadn’t hired a foreign assistant track coach, then our competitors, China and India, might start wining Olympic track medals. This is life or death for America!”
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“Bannon: The real rot is in engineering schools. Instead of admitting American citizens—Blacks, Hispanics, and the White working class—they prioritize foreign students who pay full freight, funding professors’ salaries and pensions. The whole system is a scam.”
https://x.com/Bannons_WarRoom/status/1872731175686754416?t=h6JiblgqsuJqCljlPjD4kQ&s=19
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“The reason H1B is required is because our education system failed our kids. America ranks 13th in reading, 18th in math & science. While India & China emphasize STEM, America promotes liberal arts & diversity inclusion.”
https://x.com/GrantCardone/status/1872796741009109435?t=Pp-YIJr5j-TH_0mHIFjmuA&s=19
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Time to shut it down.
https://x.com/Anc_Aesthetics/status/1872736287662456971?t=rGdZ71qrBHlKJL7kChRxNg&s=19
“I’ve been scrolling through approved H-1B visas all morning and it’s far worse than I thought. I’m talking janitors, line cooks, secretaries, and every entry level position you can think of.
The worst culprit by far is Cognizant who got almost 7,000 H-1B visas approved in 2024 alone. These people need to be investigated for defrauding the American people.”
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https://x.com/stclairashley/status/1872671451163087150?t=gDbPTwJ29KGOjzxV42kW1w&s=19
“A big shot employment attorney in California called me last night re: H1B visa fraud / trafficking of workers. Here’s what she said:
The market is cornered by visa body shops who apply for ~50% of the visas.
The economics of it: These body shops are headed by former hiring managers from Big Tech companies. They bring people to America, rent apartments for them, and house about 10 together in one apartment.
They put these recipients through a ~4 week bootcamp of basic tech training, fraudulently rewrite their resumes, teach them how to interview.
The body shops land them jobs, primarily at the companies these hiring managers came from, and pay the workers less than half of the money in hand.
Ex. Job is listed as a $200k salary, but the company is contracted with the body shop *not* the H1B worker, and the worker is actually paid closer to $40 an hour.
The body shops pocket most of the money and are making millions by essentially trafficking people.
The abuse and fraud must end!”
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Sure, the abuse and fraud must end, but we are not rearing adults who can accomplish. We are raising a bunch of takers. A few good ones sneak through but until we address that, makes sense to hire folk who will achieve.
mumsee
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Sure, bring in foreigners to teach our military. I mean it’s not like there are any US vets who would take a paltry $70k to $142k to do it. 🙄
https://x.com/NoVA_Campaigns/status/1872822654182297729?t=1x8HwNNn8Wk721hctNldfA&s=19
“Apparently there’s no alumni of @VMI1839 Virginia Military Institute that’s a US citizen willing to earn $142,000 per year to be an Assistant Professor at their Alma mater…
So off to the H1B visas to bring in a foreigner to teach our future military members about tactics and discipline”
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Of course….
https://x.com/DerrickEvans4WV/status/1872759565252739276?t=k3CgwuKaClh-qPhlNKPaNA&s=19
“Amazon just had 9,200 Warehouse jobs approved for H-1B Visas in 2024.
Because warehouse labor is the “best of the best”. No way the average American is capable of doing those jobs 🙄”
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Or no way the average American is willing to do those jobs.
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From above I can gather American corporations are worse than lazy — its straight exploitation. (AJ — yes there’s a distinction between legal and illegal but in this case the legality is just a cover for the same exploitation)
Not only that, the corporate elite are now blaming the American family/schools for their need for cheap foreign labour. Apparently you don’t raise your children properly so Amazon needs to go abroad for workers.
Yet the US has the best post secondary institutions in the world by far. So post secondary education is not the problem. Yes, the US has along with the rest of the English speaking world used foreign students to make up for the lack of funding. Foreign students pay full tuition and thus subsidise US/Cdn students. Canadian community colleges exploited this program so badly that local infrastructure couldn’t handle the increase in students. But US universities are by far the best for both citizens and foreign student.
If post secondary is not the problem, then what about public school? The US ranks 32 in Math, 15th in Science, and 8th in Reading. Math is weak but the other scores are average to above average for OECD countries. Canada is a bit better than the US (8th, 8th and 7th). Our school systems are extremely similar – the one difference is funding. Our schools are funded province wide so poor school districts are not at a disadvantage. A simple change to state wide funding would probably help. Education although it can be weak in certain areas doesn’t seem to be the issue either.
Perhaps Vivek is right and there are too many sleep overs and Friends reruns? Yet compared to the rest of the OECD families – the US are more religious, and more intact. If any countries are soft on their youth its the Nordic countries not the US. If traditional values (which I think is Vivek argument) result in hard work and success, then US families and their children should be exemplary in this regard.
Are Americans lazy then? Again by OECD standards, they are in the top dozen in hours worked. Europeans routinely mock Americans for their overwork. And its not like they just punch the clock; Americans are in the top 10 in terms of productivity
Perhaps then Vivek and others are simply wrong. Americans are not the problem, it’s their corporations.
hrw
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Well said, HRW.
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Organized crime and tow companies in Canada. https://getpocket.com/explore/item/inside-the-tow-truck-mafia-how-organized-crime-took-over-canada-s-towing-industry?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
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I know some workers are bad, but is that a justification for treating good workers poorly? Since when is supporting a policy that is actually laying off good workers in order to replace them with cheap h1b’s a rational, righteous solution? Just wondering.
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The people that I am familiar with – those I know at least somewhat, and those I hear about – seem to be, in general, decent workers, striving to make a living. As for Nightingale and her friends and acquaintances, they all have pretty good jobs and are working to better their circumstances for themselves and their families.
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Best and brightest imported workers?
Not really. Stop the scams.
https://x.com/Anc_Aesthetics/status/1873263531287577080?t=asGoDmfzqAKftGSic6gGvQ&s=19
“Funny you should ask, I’ve been investigating the fraud in the F-1 Student Visa system too.
It’s just as big of a rabbit hole as the H-1B stuff and the two are very interconnected. Buckle up because this one is something.
Here’s the game. Students from India fake their undergraduate degrees and just apply straight to Masters programs. The reasons for this relate to H-1B reqs and other things but also because colleges have gone full woke and stupidly don’t have any way to verify the undergraduate certificates. So they just accept them most of the time. Canada is much worse btw, they have actual diploma mills with like 80k Indian students.
Once the student has been accepted for their masters the fun part begins. They pay people with masters degrees in India to do the work for them and they have people within the masters programs themselves who are complicit (that whole nepotism thing again) to help them. This means they can skate through the masters program without getting caught. While they are “at school” they drive for uber/doordash for money.
Once they “graduate” and finish their masters they are now here illegally so it’s time to defraud the H-1B system. Enter the Indian H-1B consultants.
The grift is basically this. The employee is a “subcontractor” working for the consulting firm and being subcontracted out to one of their clients. The problem is they don’t have a Visa. So the consulting firm just fakes an H-1B Visa. Since it’s the consulting firm’s job to check, the company is none the wiser that they are actually using illegal labor.
Obviously the “contractor” has no idea what they are doing so this work is also outsourced back to someone in India that the H-1B consultant has set up.
The payment is made to the consulting firm and the worker is paid under the table. From what I’ve been told these are very predatory agreements so it usually means the worker has to still drive uber etc.
Once the first contract is finished. They now have real experience to put on their resume with a real reference and everything. So they begin the process of actually applying for their H-1B. The consultant once again manages the whole process, commits a ton of fraud to get through the lottery system. Finds a company who needs a permanent IT hire. Company then sponsors the candidate and voila. They’ve committed like 10 instances of fraud but the person is now legit, has an H-1B and can work in the US.
Maybe we should rethink that whole “staple a green card to every diploma” idea.”
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Yes, fraud and corruption need to be addressed. But don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. We went to Greece and Italy on those visas. Mike used it for Vancouver, Toronto, South Africa. They were able to access experience with previous Olympics that way, and develop relationships and understanding between countries.
As to Kizzie’s work comment. As mentioned, some sneak through. My first four are all honorably employed and contributing. The next nine, not so much. The youngest all insist they won’t take a job for under twenty dollars an hour but none has the education or work ethic to back that up. They seem to change jobs every few months, either they quit or get fired for things like drunk on the job or not showing up for work or misuse of position.
Living in a state with a seven dollar plus minimum wage, I have for the past twenty years offered ten to twenty per hour for simple unskilled labor with bonuses. Other than a couple of sixty plus year olds and two teen age girls who took eight hours to paint two pieces of plywood, I have not had much success. And one mid thirties guy who spent days on his phone in exchange for my Mustang.
Most of my gainfully employed people are also in the position of hiring and firing. Often they hear things like: I don’t work over five hours a day, I can’t work more than three days a week, some days I won’t be able to come in….it is tough.
mumsee
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The work ethic, or lack thereof, comes from the home, the school, the society. We have gone from the greatest generation to this in very short order. In my view, it comes from teaching people they have no value (you come from pond scum) and then giving them awards for showing up.
mumsee
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Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater? The US citizen is the greatest value in this discussion (the baby), not visas (the bath water). Corporate America and their supporters are actively throwing out citizens and keeping the visas—throwing out the baby and keeping the bathwater. And they’ve been doing it for too many years to deserve the benefit of the doubt.
First and foremost it is the duty of the American government to consider the well being of the American citizen. And until that is acknowledged and the pervasive fraud stopped, there is absolutely no legitimate reason to talk of expanding H1B visas.
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