23 thoughts on “News/Politics 11-21-24”

  2. I posted this on yesterday’s thread in answer to Kizzie’s comment about the comparison of costs of capital punishment cases and life in prison sentences:

    “Kizzie, the cost of a life in prison CASE is a lot less than the cost of a death penalty CASE in legal fees. I doubt that the cost of keeping a man in his twenties in prison until at least his seventies, taking into consideration the cost of building that cell within the whole prison facilities in which he lives along with everything else, including his portion of annual salaries of management of the prison, could possibly be less than the cost of the death penalty CASE when added all together. It’s why all those countries emptied their prisons to send them here.”

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  3. Thanks to our blue state and governor we not only house them and give them free stuff they decide it’s not enough free stuff. Think they will be deported?🤔

    According to the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office, deputies responded to the Safeway store on Broadway in Highlands Ranch on a possible shoplifting in progress. Store employees said they spotted two men who came into the store together but then separated and began loading up their carts with meat and other grocery items, totaling nearly $2,000

    Store employees told deputies when the men spotted the employees watching them, they ran out of the store. Deputies arrived as they were trying to leave the parking lot, one in a car and the other on foot. 

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    Two shoplifting suspects were arrested at the Safeway on Broadway in Highlands Ranch. DOUGLAS COUNTY

    “Businesses in Douglas County can rest assured that the Sheriff’s Office is committed to vigorously protecting their livelihood and ensuring community safety by arresting those who commit crimes within our jurisdiction. I am grateful to the businesses that report such individuals. Failure to report crime by retailers will only exacerbate the problem,” said Douglas County Sheriff Darren Weekly in a statement.

    Both men, one 69 and the other 23 years old, are from Venezuela but listed an address out of Denver. They were arrested and taken to the Douglas County Detention Facility where they were booked on charges of criminal attempted theft and conspiracy. 

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  4. I recently read a book written by a man who visited death row inmates. He did give statistics that the death penalty does cost more than years in prison, so Kizzie may be right.

    I am for the death penalty, mostly because it encourages the accused to do the right thing, such as giving up the location of a hidden body or pleading guilty. It also means other’s lives are not put in danger when they have to take care of the guilty. And it means the families and friends of those horribly murdered no longer need to worry about going before parole boards for years and years into the future.

    I also believe it could encourage the guilty to think more quickly about his/her eternal destiny. That is never a bad thing.

    There was not one expression of actual caring or empathy in that guilty man. I would have had no problem voting for the death penalty for him. Of course, God can bring his salvation to ‘whomsoever.’

    As far as cost, I think the main issue is justice. If there is deterrence, which is debatable, then maybe future costs are less ultimately.

    I pray the family, and friends will have strengthened faith in the one true God and his Son. Their lives will never be the same, but they can have the good things trials bring according to scripture. May they be surrounded by Christians who love them.

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  5. A death sentence swiftly carried out would obviously be cheaper than the cost of life in prison.

    What makes the math more complicated is that death sentences are never swiftly carried out. It takes years or decades to go through all the appeals, and a lot of people never end up being executed at all. All the while we’re housing them anyway.

    (I’m not coming down on one side of the question or the other, just pointing out that it’s more complicated than it might at first seem.)

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  6. FYI: Intercontinental ballistic missiles are capable of carrying a nuclear load.

    “KYIV, Nov 21 (Reuters) – Ukraine said Russia fired what appeared to be an intercontinental ballistic missile at the city of Dnipro on Thursday, in what would be the first use in war of a weapon designed to deliver long-distance nuclear strikes.

    Western officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, later told Reuters their initial analysis showed it was not an intercontinental ballistic missile, though they left open the possibility that conclusion could change.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launches-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-attack-ukraine-kyiv-says-2024-11-21/

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  7. Another issue about the death penalty, from a biblical viewpoint, is that justice is supposed to be impartial. Marvin Olasky wrote a piece for World several years ago in which he pointed out that those who receive the death penalty are most usually those who cannot afford a good lawyer, and are often minorities.

    I wish I could remember the other good points he made, but I have not been able to find that piece again.

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  8. Oh, I just did remember one other point that either Olasky or someone else has mentioned. That is the fact that several people on various death rows have eventually been found to be not guilty after all.

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  9. The death penalty as currently practised in the US is generally more expensive than a life sentence. Factors such as expected life span and length of the appeal process ultimately determine the cost. I oppose the death penalty for various reasons but equity is a big factor.

    For those amused by my friend’s comments — he’s a Tory not a neo-con. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tory They generally are of the opinion that neo-cons destroyed conservativism. As I said I agree with most of what he said regarding Ukraine but not China. He doesn’t give the Chinese enough credit. Invading Taiwan is crass, they will slowly absorb it one way or another but they are in the long game.

    The use of ICBMs in Ukraine is strange if true. And may be a mark of desperation on the Russia side. Why use these weapons when short range missiles are better, drones are cheaper, etc. Are they running short? Are they sending a message? Bizarre.

    Netanyahu has been charged with war crimes. Any country that has signed onto the international court is obligated to arrest him. In other words he’s being treated the same as Putin which does make sense. I don’t believe the US has signed the court treaty but Canada will no longer be safe for him.

    Some of my daughter’s friends consider shoplifting a rebellious response to the exploitation of capitalism. Interesting justification. In the case of starvation I can support it but not to get a new iPhone.

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  10. A glimpse of why I am in favor of the death penalty. I would have offered to personally press the lever to end the lives of these two animals. Furthermore they snickered in the face of the cameras in court. They found Jacines body at the elementary school playground. I guess you could say I’m not a pacifist.

    JACINE RENEE GIELINSKI, 22, died April 29, 1997, in Colorado Springs. She was a senior communications major at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. 
    Services were in Littleton. 

    They gathered with bowed heads and puffy red eyes. Most clutched white carnations. 
    It was an appropriate flower for a ceremony Tuesday at CU-Colorado Springs. A carnation has a short life – so did 22-year-old Jacine Renee Gielinski. And the color? Campus Police Officer Susan Szpyrka explained that. 
    “The white is appropriate because it means innocence,” said Szpyrka, who bought 200 carnations for the crowd. “Jacine was innocent. Brides get to wear white at their wedding. She didn’t even get to do that.” 
    More than 300 people, including Gielinski’s mother, stepfather, grandparents and boyfriend, were at the memorial service at the campus plaza. Gielinski, a CU-Springs student and former member of the women’s volleyball team, was abducted from a Rockrimmon area condo complex April 29, then raped and killed. Two suspects who didn’t know Gielinski are in custody. 
    It was an unusual crime in terms of its brutality and randomness. People still shudder and shake their heads when it comes up in conversation.

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  11. Gaetz Withdraws as Trump’s Attorney General Pick

    Matt Gaetz, who had faced a torrent of scrutiny over sexual misconduct allegations against him, said his candidacy was an unfair distraction to President-elect Donald Trump’s transition.

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  12. HRW, Re ICBMs, it’s possible Russia is testing them. How often does a country get the opportunity to test these kinds of weapons in real world combat. However I just heard on the radio that Putin has said these were not ICBMs but intermediate range missiles. And civilians will be warned to leave the areas where ICBMs are going to be used.

    Make of it what you will. I take it seriously, but you can call it saber rattling if you like.

    I think I agree with you about Taiwan. China is in it for the long haul, and I don’t see the advantage of pretending we are somehow going to wrest it from them . In light of that should be making semiconductors here, and I think we are moving in that direction.

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  14. The Gaetz thing just shows how useless and pathetic the R party is. They will confirm a degenerate perv pretending to be a woman at HHS, another to oversee nuclear waste, an idiot at DHS, Iranian spies in the State Dept., Garland the unqualified troll for AG, but Gaetz is a bridge too far.

    Useless and pathetic weak kneed posers. Time to primary these frauds.

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  16. Anon at 3:04 — my take on your comment is – The Democrats appointed perverts so we should too. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    In all likelihood, Gaetz didn’t have the numbers. Many Republicans in both chambers didn’t like him on a personal level and thus the allegations made sense. When he first arrived in the house, he liked to show off personal videos of himself and girls. At this point, I imagine the actual report can be shelved.

    The question now is did the Gaetz nomination and then withdrawal make the other appointees more acceptable. Some commentators thought this was the strategy behind the nomination. Hegseth remains the biggest question mark for me.

    Now that Gaetz withdrew, will Greene not reveal who else on the capital has a sordid past? Or will she come forward? She did say she knew some on the Epstein client list.

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  17. Debra — ICBMs go through rigorous testing when they are first developed. Russia has plenty of empty space to test weapons. The real issue for many ICBMs and nuclear missiles is their age. Both Russia and the US signed SALT in some cases simply to get credit for disposing of missiles that were past their expiry date. Some of the missiles still in use are probably just as dangerous to the launching area as they are to the target.

    China is practising old school imperialism. They are using state owned corporations in the same way the UK used the East India Company and similar companies to establish bases around the world and in some cases this would result in colonisation by UK itself. Its textbook mercantilism or imperialism and is starting to look more successful than the free market capitalism practised by the west that only enriches the oligarchs and impoverishes everyone else.

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  19. WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Donald Trump on Thursday named Pam Bondi, the former attorney general of Florida, to be U.S. attorney general just hours after his other choice, Matt Gaetz, withdrew his name from consideration. 

    Bondi is a longtime Trump ally and was one of his lawyers during his first impeachment trial, when he was accused — but not convicted — of abusing his power as he tried to condition U.S. military assistance to Ukraine on that country investigating then-former Vice President Joe Biden.

    Bondi was among a group of Republicans who showed up to support Trump at his hush money criminal trial in New York that ended in May with a conviction on 34 felony counts. She’s been a chair at the America First Policy Institute, a think tank set up by former Trump administration staffers.

    “For too long, the partisan Department of Justice has been weaponized against me and other Republicans – Not anymore,” Trump said in a social media post. “Pam will refocus the DOJ to its intended purpose of fighting Crime, and Making America Safe Again.”

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  20. MEMPHIS, Tenn. (WREG) — A Memphis florist is closing her doors for the week after receiving death threats over an Instagram post she made saying she refuses to serve customers who voted for President-elect Donald Trump.

    Everbloom Design is a special event floral studio on Broad Avenue serving customers with flowers for every occasion.

    On the shop’s page, Everbloom Design owner Kristin Wolter posted a short clip stating, “I won’t do business with people who support the president-elect. It is because I need to create a safe place for me, my staff, and my family.” It has since been deleted.

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  21. Proven perverts, and one whonisnt, but you don’t mind slandering him anyway.

    And you think he’s the problem. Its gross how low you leftists will go

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  22. It has been demonstrated to you time and again, with numerous sources and links that the allegations are unfounded, the DoJ didn’t charge him, yet you continue to lie and insist there’s evidence. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  23. HRW, testing on ’empty space’ in your own country isn’t quite the same as bombing a real city in another country who’s actively trying to shoot down your missiles, is it. It looks like the missile got through and did some damage, which makes it fortunate that it did not carry a nuclear load. But you can call it sabre rattling if you like. Until it’s not. I just don’t want to hear anyone urging us to go to war with Russia because of this entirely manufactured, wholly preventable, bloody debacle.

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