Since both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees can get the virus, why the surcharge only against unvaccinated employees? Why is it okay to discriminate against people based on their medical choices? Why not a surcharge against those with unhealthy lifestyle choices?
Curious how manufacturers in the USA are struggling with a shortage of chips–as in, car prices are soaring because auto manufacturers can’t get chips–we’re now selling them to China.
Where are they coming from, then?
(Now in the fourth month waiting for a new stove. We purposely didn’t choose one requiring any sort of electronics.)
One of our photographers wasn’t able to find hardly any cars to buy — and those that were available were hiked up by thousands of dollars. She was looking for a hybrid as they have to drive so much for work. She said she finally found one that worked out with the budget.
Meanwhile dozens of ships are anchored outside our harbor, backed up in record numbers again now.
Tychicus — When corporations are in charge of the employee’s health care insurance they make the rules. Don’t want corporate health care rules; I know a solution. You will see more of this as time progresses; health care insurance premiums, liability issues and concern for employee health will drive employers to make similar rules. If a bakery can refuse to make gay wedding cakes, I’m sure restaurants can refuse to serve the non-vaccinated.
Meanwhile Republican governors are trying to mandate no mandates — interesting way for the government to interfere in private health care decisions. There are better ways for the government to interfere in health care. South Dakota governor mandated no covid vaccine mandates for schools — but polio, mumps, measles, etc vaccines are still mandated….
AJ — The police shot a woman committing a criminal offense who was trying to break down a barricade. People can and should argue that there may have been better means to prevent the crime in progress; they can and should argue the police panicked and shot the woman without thinking. However, qualified immunity allows this to happen. Prior cases elsewhere in the US have allowed police to shoot people when a crime is in progress and sometimes even when there is no crime in progress. As long as the civilian did not listen to instructions and appear to pose a threat, the police have not been held responsible. As I’ve read here on this blog — if a person simply listens to instructions nothing will happen. Now, personally I know this is b.s. and even if a person listens, police have been know to shoot and still not be held responsible. In some US jurisdictions, stand your ground laws will absolve even a civilian in a similar situation; there’s no responsibility if you can prove you felt “threatened”. The police man here will not be held responsible — in all likelihood he will be on disability for a few years and then be given an easier assignment.
Tychicus – Although vaccinated people may still get the virus, the unvaccinated are far-far-far more likely to end up in the hospital (or die) than the vaccinated. As one friend said, insurance companies have actuaries who calculate risk. (And supposedly other risks, such as obesity, are indeed figured into the costs.)
Did you see my comment to you yesterday? If not, here it is:
Re: Tychicus’ link yesterday, supposedly showing that more people are dying from the vaccine than Covid. The article that I had shared warning against the practices of that site made the point that the site twists what it takes from its sources. Looking at the link within the link (to Public Health Scotland), brings these points up (emphases mine):
~~~”Analyses are presented to show the number of deaths occurring within 28 days of receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine in Scotland from 8 December 2020 (the beginning of the COVID-19 Vaccination Programme) to 11 June 2021. The analysis includes all recorded deaths due to any cause and does not refer to deaths caused by the vaccine itself. As the vaccination programme is being rolled out to the entire adult population, many people will experience an illness or death in the days following their vaccination by coincidence. This is particularly the case for those vaccinated early in the programme, when the programme prioritised the very elderly population and those with pre-existing underlying health conditions. In order to account for this, we have compared the total number of observed deaths per month to the Public Health Scotland 28 number we would have expected, based on the average number of deaths that occurred per month (by age band and gender) for the same time-period between 2015 and 2019. This is called excess mortality.
We have calculated a ratio of the observed versus expected number of deaths and 95% confidence intervals. Calculating the observed versus expected ratio is a standard method for comparing cases or deaths occurring in different time periods. The confidence interval gives the range of values that we can be 95% certain contains the true ratio. For example, an observed versus expected ratio of 0.5 (95%CI: 0.25-0.75) means that the observed number of deaths was 50% below what was expected, but may have ranged from a 25% to a 75% reduction.
Between 8 December 2020 and 11 June 2021, a total of 5,522 people died within 28 days of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Scotland (number of days between vaccine and death is 0-27, where 0 is the day of vaccination, all age groups). A breakdown of these deaths by day and vaccine type is available in the spreadsheet provided along with this report. Using the 5-year average monthly death rate (by age band and gender) from 2015 to 2019 for comparison, 8,718 deaths would have been expected among the vaccinated population within 28 days of receiving their COVID-19 vaccination. This means the observed number of deaths is lower than expected compared with mortality rates for the same time period in previous years (dose 1 observed/expected ratio:0.66, 95%CI= 0.64 to 0.69; dose 2 observed/expected ratio: 0.59, 95%CI=0.57 to 0.62).”~~~
A little later on, it summarizes, including this:
~~~” * 60% of COVID-19 related acute hospital admissions were in unvaccinated individuals, of which 68% were in the under 40s age group.
• a larger proportion of unvaccinated COVID-19 related acute hospital admissions were recorded as having COVID-19 symptoms during contact tracing when compared to those that were vaccinated.”~~~
(The Public Health Scotland link appeared as a PDF, which I cannot copy-and-paste here, but you can see it on the August 25 thread if you want.)
Keep in mind that what I just shared is a link from that Daily Expose article that claimed that this link would prove that more people died from the vaccine than from Covid. What it actually states is that those deaths after vaccination were from all causes, and there were actually fewer deaths in that month than the year-to-year average.
I’m with Michelle; I thought China made the chips and hence the shortage of new cars. Huwai could always reverse engineer them, sell them a license and at least make some money. (Hyundai reversed engineered Toyota cars and then sold them for half the price yet just as reliable)
Biden didn’t give Putin a pipeline. He removed US objections to a joint Russian-German project. Its not as if American objections actually mattered; Merkel and Putin never listened to Trump anyway.
Any military equipment left by the Afghan military won’t be useful for too long. Modern weaponry doesn’t last long in adverse conditions without spare parts and/or proper care. Unless the Taliban can purchase US military spare parts — perhaps US “allies” in the Middle East will supply them for a premium — those drones will be scrap metal within five years. There’s a reason why paramilitary and guerrilla forces world wide prefer the old AK-47 over the M3 or M16 –cheap, durable and plentiful.
So you support felons assaulting the police, and using drugs like fentanyl, but not an honorably decorated veteran who was parading, because a 3rd class misdemeanor is so much worse than a first class felonious assault on police.
“Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.”
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Funny, you’re an Antifa fanboy, yet you aren’t looking for charges for their obvious violations of this law on multiple dates at multiple locations.
It’s almost like you’re just a partisan hypocrite.
AJ — read my comment, I don’t support the police; I’m only saying that the actions of the police and the lack of consequences is normal and to be expected in the US. The left have been saying this for decades. In both cases, the police could have and should have used different tactics but you can’t honestly expect the police to be charged here when they can shoot up an apartment, kill a woman in her sleep and suffer little to no consequences. I’m shocked that people are surprised there are no consequences.
I checked — there’s a variety of charges given out to Jan 6th rioters — assault, assault with a weapon, disorderly conduct, trespass, assaulting a police officer, obstruction, violent behaviour, robbery, aiding and abetting, civil disorder, use of a dangerous or deadly weapon, and that’s just page one of 78 pages https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
Mumsee — good point, I do wonder if the Taliban have the training or knowledge base to use US weapons. For example, there’s a preference world wide for an AK 47 over the M16 because of its ease of use. However, if the Taliban have not just Saudi money but Saudi advisers they might be able to use the weapons. The US should probably stop training the Saudis.
HRW, Kizzie put up something the other day: the idea of a family with two sons. One goes to the Taliban, the other to the Afghan Army. If one side becomes “in power” the losing son goes AWOL and seeks forgiveness on the other team, is welcomed back, and put to work. Obviously, this working out today would be the US trained soldiers return to the Taliban and bring the knowledge of the equipment with them.
Mumsee — kizzie puts up a very good point. When family and kinship is everything (as it is in any system without rule of law), than the smart family places members on all sides. And if the money flows the one way ie the Taliban way, as I’m sure it is right now, then families vouch for each other and switch sides. This works both ways — Afghans could be using their US and western allied contacts to get out and if that fails they will go to the other side. I’m sure personal considerations like this are more important than ideology or religion.
From the videos that I have seen leading up to George Floyd’s being pinned on the ground, his resistance was from fear. He told the cops that he was claustrophobic, and begged for someone to ride in the back of the police car with him. His resistance seemed to be due to that fear, and not overtly violent. His voice was filled with distress, not anger.
So yes, he resisted arrest, but the general connotation of that, without more context, puts the picture in our minds of someone being violent towards the officers. He may have strongly resisted being pushed into the back of the car, but I do not think he was what we could consider violent. Other officers have said that there were other ways that Chauvin and his fellow officers could have handled Floyd.
“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic. “It’s just appalling and shocking and makes you feel unclean.” W/ @AndrewDesiderio@alexbward
Sergeant At Arms, Timothy Blodgett goofed in a hearing and confirms Lieutenant Mike Byrd killed Ashli Babbitt.
He also claims his Sergeant at Arms employee rendered aid, he is lying. His employee touched her once, watched her bleed out, then contaminated the crime scene. https://t.co/M8uCWRKkfQpic.twitter.com/lHxIfN0tz6
After Biden blamed Donald Trump for the collapse of Afghanistan and demanded Peter Doocy agree, Doocy informed him that "Donald Trump is not the President anymore," and Biden lost it, burying his face in his hands and leather notebook.
Wandering Views 
Since both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees can get the virus, why the surcharge only against unvaccinated employees? Why is it okay to discriminate against people based on their medical choices? Why not a surcharge against those with unhealthy lifestyle choices?
Boycott Delta Air Lines.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/unvaccinated-delta-staff-to-pay-200-monthly-health-surcharge_3964980.html
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The leftist media can lionize him all they want, but he’s still just a coward that shot an unarmed woman in the face from close range.
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Bingo.
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Buh-bye clown! 🙂
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The Great Biden Giveaway to Our Enemies continues…..
https://twitter.com/PartymanRandy/status/1430529145071620098
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But there’s that, right?
^#@^#%$##$#$ idiots.
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Cut!
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https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1430597365006848004
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Curious how manufacturers in the USA are struggling with a shortage of chips–as in, car prices are soaring because auto manufacturers can’t get chips–we’re now selling them to China.
Where are they coming from, then?
(Now in the fourth month waiting for a new stove. We purposely didn’t choose one requiring any sort of electronics.)
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One of our photographers wasn’t able to find hardly any cars to buy — and those that were available were hiked up by thousands of dollars. She was looking for a hybrid as they have to drive so much for work. She said she finally found one that worked out with the budget.
Meanwhile dozens of ships are anchored outside our harbor, backed up in record numbers again now.
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Tychicus — When corporations are in charge of the employee’s health care insurance they make the rules. Don’t want corporate health care rules; I know a solution. You will see more of this as time progresses; health care insurance premiums, liability issues and concern for employee health will drive employers to make similar rules. If a bakery can refuse to make gay wedding cakes, I’m sure restaurants can refuse to serve the non-vaccinated.
Meanwhile Republican governors are trying to mandate no mandates — interesting way for the government to interfere in private health care decisions. There are better ways for the government to interfere in health care. South Dakota governor mandated no covid vaccine mandates for schools — but polio, mumps, measles, etc vaccines are still mandated….
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AJ — The police shot a woman committing a criminal offense who was trying to break down a barricade. People can and should argue that there may have been better means to prevent the crime in progress; they can and should argue the police panicked and shot the woman without thinking. However, qualified immunity allows this to happen. Prior cases elsewhere in the US have allowed police to shoot people when a crime is in progress and sometimes even when there is no crime in progress. As long as the civilian did not listen to instructions and appear to pose a threat, the police have not been held responsible. As I’ve read here on this blog — if a person simply listens to instructions nothing will happen. Now, personally I know this is b.s. and even if a person listens, police have been know to shoot and still not be held responsible. In some US jurisdictions, stand your ground laws will absolve even a civilian in a similar situation; there’s no responsibility if you can prove you felt “threatened”. The police man here will not be held responsible — in all likelihood he will be on disability for a few years and then be given an easier assignment.
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Tychicus – Although vaccinated people may still get the virus, the unvaccinated are far-far-far more likely to end up in the hospital (or die) than the vaccinated. As one friend said, insurance companies have actuaries who calculate risk. (And supposedly other risks, such as obesity, are indeed figured into the costs.)
Did you see my comment to you yesterday? If not, here it is:
Re: Tychicus’ link yesterday, supposedly showing that more people are dying from the vaccine than Covid. The article that I had shared warning against the practices of that site made the point that the site twists what it takes from its sources. Looking at the link within the link (to Public Health Scotland), brings these points up (emphases mine):
~~~”Analyses are presented to show the number of deaths occurring within 28 days of receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine in Scotland from 8 December 2020 (the beginning of the COVID-19 Vaccination Programme) to 11 June 2021. The analysis includes all recorded deaths due to any cause and does not refer to deaths caused by the vaccine itself. As the vaccination programme is being rolled out to the entire adult population, many people will experience an illness or death in the days following their vaccination by coincidence. This is particularly the case for those vaccinated early in the programme, when the programme prioritised the very elderly population and those with pre-existing underlying health conditions. In order to account for this, we have compared the total number of observed deaths per month to the Public Health Scotland 28 number we would have expected, based on the average number of deaths that occurred per month (by age band and gender) for the same time-period between 2015 and 2019. This is called excess mortality.
We have calculated a ratio of the observed versus expected number of deaths and 95% confidence intervals. Calculating the observed versus expected ratio is a standard method for comparing cases or deaths occurring in different time periods. The confidence interval gives the range of values that we can be 95% certain contains the true ratio. For example, an observed versus expected ratio of 0.5 (95%CI: 0.25-0.75) means that the observed number of deaths was 50% below what was expected, but may have ranged from a 25% to a 75% reduction.
Between 8 December 2020 and 11 June 2021, a total of 5,522 people died within 28 days of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Scotland (number of days between vaccine and death is 0-27, where 0 is the day of vaccination, all age groups). A breakdown of these deaths by day and vaccine type is available in the spreadsheet provided along with this report. Using the 5-year average monthly death rate (by age band and gender) from 2015 to 2019 for comparison, 8,718 deaths would have been expected among the vaccinated population within 28 days of receiving their COVID-19 vaccination. This means the observed number of deaths is lower than expected compared with mortality rates for the same time period in previous years (dose 1 observed/expected ratio:0.66, 95%CI= 0.64 to 0.69; dose 2 observed/expected ratio: 0.59, 95%CI=0.57 to 0.62).”~~~
A little later on, it summarizes, including this:
~~~” * 60% of COVID-19 related acute hospital admissions were in unvaccinated individuals, of which 68% were in the under 40s age group.
• a larger proportion of unvaccinated COVID-19 related acute hospital admissions were recorded as having COVID-19 symptoms during contact tracing when compared to those that were vaccinated.”~~~
(The Public Health Scotland link appeared as a PDF, which I cannot copy-and-paste here, but you can see it on the August 25 thread if you want.)
Keep in mind that what I just shared is a link from that Daily Expose article that claimed that this link would prove that more people died from the vaccine than from Covid. What it actually states is that those deaths after vaccination were from all causes, and there were actually fewer deaths in that month than the year-to-year average.
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I’m with Michelle; I thought China made the chips and hence the shortage of new cars. Huwai could always reverse engineer them, sell them a license and at least make some money. (Hyundai reversed engineered Toyota cars and then sold them for half the price yet just as reliable)
Biden didn’t give Putin a pipeline. He removed US objections to a joint Russian-German project. Its not as if American objections actually mattered; Merkel and Putin never listened to Trump anyway.
Any military equipment left by the Afghan military won’t be useful for too long. Modern weaponry doesn’t last long in adverse conditions without spare parts and/or proper care. Unless the Taliban can purchase US military spare parts — perhaps US “allies” in the Middle East will supply them for a premium — those drones will be scrap metal within five years. There’s a reason why paramilitary and guerrilla forces world wide prefer the old AK-47 over the M3 or M16 –cheap, durable and plentiful.
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Their usefulness does not need to be long to be deadly.
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The police shot a woman “parading”.
That’s the offense most are charged with. Look it up.
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You’re laughable as well. You support a criminal drug user, high on fentanyl fighting with cops, and resisting arrest, but not Ashli Babbitt.
That’s speaks volumes about you, and none of it good.
It’s gross really.
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So you support felons assaulting the police, and using drugs like fentanyl, but not an honorably decorated veteran who was parading, because a 3rd class misdemeanor is so much worse than a first class felonious assault on police.
Seriously, listen to yourself….
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1507
“18 U.S. Code § 1507 – Picketing or parading”
“Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.”
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Funny, you’re an Antifa fanboy, yet you aren’t looking for charges for their obvious violations of this law on multiple dates at multiple locations.
It’s almost like you’re just a partisan hypocrite.
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AJ — read my comment, I don’t support the police; I’m only saying that the actions of the police and the lack of consequences is normal and to be expected in the US. The left have been saying this for decades. In both cases, the police could have and should have used different tactics but you can’t honestly expect the police to be charged here when they can shoot up an apartment, kill a woman in her sleep and suffer little to no consequences. I’m shocked that people are surprised there are no consequences.
I checked — there’s a variety of charges given out to Jan 6th rioters — assault, assault with a weapon, disorderly conduct, trespass, assaulting a police officer, obstruction, violent behaviour, robbery, aiding and abetting, civil disorder, use of a dangerous or deadly weapon, and that’s just page one of 78 pages
https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
Mumsee — good point, I do wonder if the Taliban have the training or knowledge base to use US weapons. For example, there’s a preference world wide for an AK 47 over the M16 because of its ease of use. However, if the Taliban have not just Saudi money but Saudi advisers they might be able to use the weapons. The US should probably stop training the Saudis.
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HRW, Kizzie put up something the other day: the idea of a family with two sons. One goes to the Taliban, the other to the Afghan Army. If one side becomes “in power” the losing son goes AWOL and seeks forgiveness on the other team, is welcomed back, and put to work. Obviously, this working out today would be the US trained soldiers return to the Taliban and bring the knowledge of the equipment with them.
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Mumsee — kizzie puts up a very good point. When family and kinship is everything (as it is in any system without rule of law), than the smart family places members on all sides. And if the money flows the one way ie the Taliban way, as I’m sure it is right now, then families vouch for each other and switch sides. This works both ways — Afghans could be using their US and western allied contacts to get out and if that fails they will go to the other side. I’m sure personal considerations like this are more important than ideology or religion.
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From the videos that I have seen leading up to George Floyd’s being pinned on the ground, his resistance was from fear. He told the cops that he was claustrophobic, and begged for someone to ride in the back of the police car with him. His resistance seemed to be due to that fear, and not overtly violent. His voice was filled with distress, not anger.
So yes, he resisted arrest, but the general connotation of that, without more context, puts the picture in our minds of someone being violent towards the officers. He may have strongly resisted being pushed into the back of the car, but I do not think he was what we could consider violent. Other officers have said that there were other ways that Chauvin and his fellow officers could have handled Floyd.
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George Floyd was a victim of his own poor decisions, starting with the drug use and crime (also a felony) that led to his interaction with police.
He’s the one to blame.
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And Joe Biden is to blame for this.
The idiots run the show now.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1430974351747190789
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https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1430954677110284288
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Yep.
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Meanwhile, the lies continue….
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https://twitter.com/glen35931183/status/1431040596110716931
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This is totally normal behavior….
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Stating the obvious….
https://twitter.com/realMoffTarkin/status/1431016433350152194
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Floyd’s arrest was warranted.
The was not responsible for the knee on his neck for an inordinate amount of time is on the officer.
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Exactly, DJ.
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