We need to revert to the old way of voting.
Mail in ballots is a major source of corruption.
We have enough of that without the false ballots mail-in promises.
The latest stream from Corsi Nation (Dr. Jerome Corsi, who you might remember Mueller tried to take down). Forensic experts and common citizens in Georgia and Arizona are exposing the election and voter fraud for all to see…
Dr Corsi NEWS 12-31-20: Case Closed – Georgia Gives OK to Determine Fraud:
“January 6 – No Mike Pence Can’t Just Reject Electoral Certifications
Note the words in the Constitution: The President of the Senate “shall … open all the Certificates” and “the Votes shall then be counted.” Shall is mandatory, there is no discretion.”
“Senator Josh Hawley and numerous Republican representatives have indicated that when electoral certifications are set to be counted, they will object to the counting of certifications from several disputed states.
Hawley’s statement did not cite the authority for his objecting, I assume it is the 1887 law, The Electoral Count Act, 3 U.S.C. §§3-21, which provides procedures for raising and resolving objections. (See this 2016 Congressional Research Service Report for a description and citations.)
As I pointed out before, this procedure is a dead end because electors certified by states are counted unless an objection is upheld by both houses of Congress. Since Democrats control the House of Representatives, there is no chance that an objection to a state certified for Biden would be upheld. Maybe there are other political reasons for invoking this procedure — Democrats did it in January 2005 to challenge Bush electors — but no one should think this will change the election outcome. Not even Hawley seems to think that, as his statement makes clear he’s seeking a debate on election integrity or lack thereof in the 2020 election.
That Hawley and Republicans are invoking the statute should put to rest the claim that some have raised that the statute no longer governs because one congress cannot bind a future congress. If that is the case then it’s actually worse for Trump (or any challenger) because the Constitution provides no means of objecting — the certified votes must be counted.
A claim has circulated widely in the past few days that Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, has the power and discretion to reject certifications. If Pence had such power and chose to exercise it, it would be over, but he doesn’t.
Here is the relevant language of Article II, Section I (after the 12th Amendment)(emphasis added)
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
Note the words. “Shall … open all the Certificates” and “the Votes shall then be counted.” Shall is mandatory, there is no discretion. The certificates must be opened by Pence, and the votes must be counted (it’s unclear who does the counting, but the votes must be counted regardless). No Vice President (whether Mike Pence, Al Gore or future VP Kamala Harris) performing the function of opening the votes has discretion to reject votes. No Vice President has authority to accept votes presented through some extra-constitutional other process.”
“Georgia election data indicates 17,650 votes were switched from President Donald Trump to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, data scientists testified on Wednesday during a state Senate hearing.”
““What we have here is we actually have fraud that we can prove in this election, there was fraud in Georgia’s election, we can prove it with data,” Mealey said. “The voting will of the people of Georgia is not reflected in what was certified by the Secretary of State.””
“At 9:11 p.m. local time, Trump received 29,391 votes as Biden simultaneously received 17,218. However, in the next reported time update, Trump’s votes became 17,218 while Biden’s changed to 29,391.
In this single event, 12,173 votes were switched, the data scientists believe.
“I want to make that very, very clear that at no point in an incremental process, should you decrement it,” Lobue said.
State-certified election results show Trump lost Georgia by 12,670 votes. The Trump campaign is still challenging the results in various courts.”
Given the irrefutable proof based on hard evidence of vote switching by Dominion in GA, plus the clear evidence in other states, the only other question that remains is how widespread the fraud actually was…
Notice that you won’t find a single Democrat calling for investigation and prosecution, because they are all in on it!
For 30 years I’ve criticized left-wing journalists for some of their outrageous statements. I now have to acknowledge that some on the right have caught up.
After Joe Biden on Dec. 14 received a majority of Electoral College votes, Donald Trump said, “This Fake Election can no longer stand: Get moving Democrats.” Most people understood that as bluster, but Gen. Michael Flynn and assorted Republican politicians urged Trump to declare martial law. The Epoch Times editorialized that Donald Trump should call out military forces that would “safeguard the future of our Republic and arrest those who have conspired to deprive people of their rights.”
Take away rights to restore rights? Trump supporters spent most of November and December peering through smoke and trying to spot fires, but were unable to convince 50-plus judges or the Supreme Court—so use the Army to safeguard the Republic? And what kind of republic will we have left? Edmund Burke wrote in his Reflections on the Revolution in France, “In the groves of their academy, at the end of every vista, you see nothing but the gallows.” That’s now true of the far right as well as the left. …
… So let’s be thankful we have a process for appealing election results. Trump supporters have followed it and failed to convince judges. It’s time to look forward. We’ve seen that the farther we move away from one-day-only, in-person voting, the easier we make it for unscrupulous people to cheat because of the chain-of-custody problem. Both losers in the last two presidential elections have declared them stolen. We have a crisis in confidence that will get worse unless we get control of the chain of custody. …
… Neither side will accomplish much, though, by feeling self-righteous and looking upon the other as evil personified. WORLD will keep a vigilant eye on the Biden administration, but we’ll also remember Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s adage: “The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either—but right through every human heart.” …
Polls predicted a landslide, but the result was close and split because voters reject radical changes.
By Mark Penn
Nov. 16, 2020 12:01 pm ET
… We are one country divided by two parties. The nation is largely moderate, practical and driven by common sense over ideology. Most voters prefer compromise on health care, immigration, stimulus and other thorny issues that the extremes of the parties have pushed to the limits. Only 24% of voters identify as liberal, while 38% say they’re conservative, according to CNN exit polls. Another 38% are moderate. Despite the widespread publicity given the left, since 2014—a good year for Republicans—the percentage of self-identified liberals declined 2 points, while the share of conservatives increased 3 points.
It is highly significant that in deep-blue California, two ballot measures—to end a constitutional ban on racial preferences by government and to repeal restraints on commercial property-tax increases—both went down by wide margins. The country might have shifted in favor of looser marijuana laws, but it doesn’t generally favor higher taxes (Illinois voters also voted against tax increases) nor has it lost faith in the ideal of a postracial society. Also, respondents to a not-yet-released Harris poll named free speech as the most important American value. These are critical signals from the voters that a new administration can ignore only at its peril. …
… The message from the voters is that we are not divided into two extreme camps. Rather, they are more centrist in nature and outlook, and that a president who governs too far to the right or left is likely to be left behind in the next election.
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(the author: Mr. Penn, managing director of the Stagwell Group and chairman of the Harris Poll, was chief strategist on Bill Clinton’s 1996 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, and Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign)
Kizzie, I somehow never saw A Man for All Seasons, so I went ahead and rented it on Amazon Prime, will plan to watch it in the next night or so, sometime this week — I think the $3.00+ rental is good for 30 days.
DJ @ 8:37pm: Regarding judges… “All the judges seem to be reading from the same DNC script. They are willfully blinded to the greatest fraud in history.” Sidney Powell
Olasky insists that “it’s time to look forward.” No, not until the constitutional process has played out. The fact that he is already talking about a “Biden administration” shows that what he writes there cannot be taken seriously.
“Over 400 people from the Intelligence Community (IC), military, law enforcement, and the judiciary have formed a loose network to investigate irregularities in the 2020 election.”
““The fraud was so massive and so blatant, despite what the mainstream media said, that we need to get this information out to the public,” said Caron. “That’s why more and more people from the intelligence community and law enforcement are coming out, which is unheard of.””
I don’t know how many of you actually had the chance to watch the video that I posted at the end of Dec about the Ukrainian press conference (given its length), but this article gets to the heart of the matter…
“This post quotes those portions of the press conference that address Biden family corruption. The gist of it is that, while Democrats obsess about Trump’s purported criminality, despite the absence of any evidence, their chosen standard-bearer is extraordinarily corrupt.
Indeed, I would argue that Biden is one of the most corrupt politicians ever in America. In the past, corrupt politicians have confined themselves to playing dirty in their own backyard, making money from deals with fellow Americans.
I believe that Biden is the first person ever to serve in the highest reaches of government — the Senate and the vice presidency — who sold his country out to the highest foreign bidders. It’s an insult to everything America has stood for since its inception that massive election fraud might allow this person to set foot in the Oval Office.”
“Andrii Derkach picked up the narrative. He focused on Joe Biden’s conversations with former president Poroshenko when Viktor Shokin, a prosecutor, started looking into Zlochevsky’s graft. As we all know, Biden openly boasted about holding up money from the U.S. unless Poroshenko fired Shokin.
The press conference included audio from a November 16, 2016 conversation between Biden and Poroshenko. Biden was wheeling and dealing for influence and money — and conducting foreign policy behind Trump’s back. The men spoke again in February 2017, at which time Biden smothered Poroshenko with fulsome compliments.
Ukraine’s government is gunning for Joe Biden. The Ukrainians know that Biden helped prop up a corrupt government in their country and that he profited mightily from doing so. No wonder this video has gone viral.”
I’m just thankful that I lived in a country that was the greatest experiment in self government that ever was.
Sorry to see it go.
I doubt that we will survive the Bidens.
The next?
China
We vote, we do our best (as we see it) to do good by the country we’ve been blessed with, but the long view result and “ending” isn’t ours to absolutely control.
Georgia has done everything possible to assure people the vote was correct. They hand counted the printed ballots, they did a machine recount, they did a signature audit — nothing was uncovered by their Republican gov’t. If there was any indication of fraud anywhere the Trump legal team would’ve brought to a courtroom. When offered the opportunity countless times, they have declined — they have nothing.
I’m curious when Republican House Reps and Senators object to “disputed” states will they also object to any Republicans elected from those states to take a seat in the Congress. The argument against Penn is that they didn’t follow their own rules and therefore the vote is invalid; hence should they not refuse to sit the 9 Republican House Reps who were on the same ballot.
The fact is there is no dispute or fraud other the Trump and friends saying there is; they have been to courtrooms at least 50 times and have yet to provide proof of fraud. Calling an election disputed does not make it so. When I predicted a Biden victory, it was based on the polls and the heavy early voting turnout — I was right with every state except I said North Carolina was on the fence not Georgia. Anyone following the polls closely should not have been surprised by the outcome.
And a few days from the Georgia senate run-off, the heavy early voting turnout in urban areas and the gradual increase in poll numbers suggests the Democrats will win by less than 1%. While Trump had the Republican party focused on his defeat, the Democrats registered even more voters and pushed for an even larger early voting turnout. Young urban blacks were the key to Biden’s win in Georgia — they voted in record numbers and if they do that again, Democrats win. Once you look at the demographic data the Georgia win makes sense — 20% of all voters were under 30, young black men voted in record numbers, etc.
Self identifying as a centrist doesn’t mean people are actually centrist — people tend to like the mushy middle, the non-radical position, and have a tendency to false equivalency.
Context and location make the centrist position subject to relative perception. In my neighborhood, a centrist is someone who votes for the Liberal party. Liberal candidates in my district would be considered too left wing for the Liberal party elsewhere. Meanwhile in rural Nebraska Ben Sasse is probably considered a centrist. In most cases a centrist hears two different positions and thinks we should choose the middle just to be safe or since both sides make a good argument we should try both. This is the tendency to false equivalency. And then there’s historical changes — Nixon was considered right wing in his time; now he’s a moderate. Johnson was considered left wing in his time now he too is a mo
Then again, there’s the additional issue of the difference between economic and social versions of left/right.
And then there’s historical changes — Nixon was considered right wing in his time; now he’s a moderate. Johnson was considered left wing in his time now he too is a moderate. The political spectrum in the US is expanding and while unsettling to many this is a good thing. If the US can accept a broader political spectrum, the diversity of ideas will improve the country.
Your side lost. My side almost always loses. However, its not the end of the world. Your ideas and my ideas are still being expressed in legislatures, the press, and maybe even the courts. There’s still a give and take of ideas and maybe despite the loss some of your ideas will prevail or become part of the conversation (this is usually the case for the NDP here, we lose but we do bring ideas out to the mainstream). In two or four years there’s another election and another chance. As long as those who are defeated accept defeat and play the role of loyal opposition in the legislatures, the nation will survive. It does not help to argue and object for no other reason than a man refuses to admit he lost. He’s one man not the nation and the party and the people can move on without him.
Biden’s not the end of the world. In fact he’s probably the safest bet for stability right now. The nation will survive — it survived Trump (so far), Obama, Bush Jr, Reagan, Nixon etc. In the 1930s conservatives thought FDR would destroy the US; in fact he saved capitalism from itself. Biden is a transition; he’s not radical nor is he corrupt (by US Congress standards). Relax; interact with family and friends, focus on your community and in two-four years another opportunity presents itself.
Nixon wasn’t considered “right wing” from what I recall (I was a teenager when he won the presidency in 1968). He was classified as a Republican moderate. Reagan was considered far to the right of Nixon in those days.
But yes, those definitions and classifications certainly to shift with the times and the cultural perspectives.
In the 1960s, there were Republican “liberals” (Rockefeller, Lindsay) and Democrat “conservatives.”
Of course, those terms were relative within their respective parties (and on the broader spectrum of left-to-right the classifications varied). But both parties, then, had a fair amount of diversity in the 1950s and 1960s. That pretty much changed as the 1970s dawned and both parties became more narrow in their ideology, with the Democrats moving left and the Republican’s moving right.
But there remained Republican moderates (Bush Sr. comes to mind) — Democrats became a bit more rigid, I’d argue, moving more toward a purer idea of liberalism. Biden has been a moderate but has moved away from many of those positions in this recent campaign, I suppose (in his mind) by necessity as the party had become more liberal.
The strain of politics we seen in movements such as BLM and others active in this year’s protests and, yes, riots appear to be more of an anarchist sentiment. Thus both Democrats and Republicans are the focus of their ire at times.
The Democrats also moved back to a more moderate stance with Jimmy Carter. Moderate candidates on both sides have tended to do better than the more hard-core right- or left-wing advocates.
So yes, I’d say, “in general,” the U.S. voting public does lean in toward the broader center more often than not when given a choice.
it’s interesting to recall, too, that some of the strongest pro-life voices in the early days were Democrats, including Jesse Jackson and Al Gore (if I’m not mistaken about Gore).
As the parties solidified, they abandoned those positions for those more in line with their party. There’s hardly a pro-life voice among the Democrats these days, they’ve mostly been driven into the wilderness as even minimal tolerance for those “other” views has vanished.
As for Biden, I agree, things could have been a lot worse from a conservative view. However, how long he remains at the helm (with Harris next in line) remains questionable. And much hinges on the Senate remaining in Republican hands as a needed (in my view anyway) check and balance going forward.
Afterthought: I wonder, too, if there isn’t some anarchist-type views emanating now from the far right as well. Those kinds of views tend to get nourished on the two ‘wings’ of the political spectrum.
I think our two-party system has served the U.S. well, generally, in providing checks-and-balances a certain stability, overall, in the nation as a whole. We seem to be encountering a new era, perhaps, in which that may change, but time will tell.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through…all the alleys and doorways, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic, so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
~ ATLANTA—President Trump in a Saturday telephone call urged Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to overturn the November election results that delivered the state to President-elect Joe Biden.
At one point in the roughly hourlong call, Mr. Trump told Mr. Raffensperger that he could face legal action and said he wanted him to find about 12,000 votes so he could reverse Mr. Biden’s victory.
“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state,” he told Mr. Raffensperger on the call, adding later, “it’s not a problem that is going away.” Mr. Biden won the state by 11,779 votes.
A recording of the call was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. ~
~ … News of the extraordinary conversation of a sitting president pressuring a state elections official to overturn election results comes just days before Jan. 5 runoff elections in Georgia that could determine which party controls the U.S. Senate and a Jan. 6 joint session of Congress to ratify Mr. Biden’s Electoral College win in the November vote. … ~
Reagan definitely moved the spectrum to the right. In terms of economics, Reagan made Carter look like a left wing radical. Carter was a moderate in both social and economic policies — he genuinely cared about everyone. He was a rare politician.
The expansion of a national media helped to solidify the two parties into coherent positions. In the past, each party was a coalition of local interests (for example the New Deal coalition had the urban labor bloc, southern democrats and mid-western populists all in the same party). Once the the parties solidified into coherent blocs; you can see the fight for the middle. Clinton for example was a centrist especially in economics.
The parties are undergoing a bit of a shift but its impossible to know where its going to lead. For now, its fairly safe to predict a rural-urban split.
In terms of the abortion questions; the positions have solidified on both sides. Neither side seems willing to compromise on the premise that it will lower an ideological position. Pro life became no exemptions and pro choice became no limits. Gore and others like him attempted to find a middle ground and essentially gave up. Even the terms have been applied narrowly — to say one is pro-life refers only to abortion now. Personally I think I am pro life since I embrace universal health care, paid maternity leave, well funded public schools, etc. Similarly I’m also pro choice in that the gov’t should not interfere in discussions between a doctor and the patient. Make abortion a choice that isn’t necessary — remove financial issues, remove work issues, etc Abortion rates have declined everywhere no matter what type of legislation is in effect. Its the least effective method — prohibition doesn’t work, some will even argue gov’t control (eg gun control) doesnt work.
Trump steps way over the line in call to Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger. Will be interesting to see if story causes some House & Senate Republicans to re-think their effort on his behalf. From WP: https://t.co/j6KL34b1Ttpic.twitter.com/5Wlh7hNOpM
NEWS –> I've obtained the memo House GOP Conference Chair @Liz_Cheney sent to her colleagues re: Jan 6th electoral objections. She says proposed actions by some Republicans would set an "exceptionally dangerous precedent," calling the commission idea "even more problematic." pic.twitter.com/qy0cTySNqP
So the WSJ is being dishonest again – they’ve become as bad as Fox News.
C’mon people – are you going to believe your own eyes and ears, or are you going to believe the likes of Raffensperger and Kemp, Dems and RINOs? Don’t support and defend those who are seeking to cover up the massive fraud!
Wandering Views 
We need to revert to the old way of voting.
Mail in ballots is a major source of corruption.
We have enough of that without the false ballots mail-in promises.
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Excellent take on the role of the VP in counting electoral votes:
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The latest stream from Corsi Nation (Dr. Jerome Corsi, who you might remember Mueller tried to take down). Forensic experts and common citizens in Georgia and Arizona are exposing the election and voter fraud for all to see…
Dr Corsi NEWS 12-31-20: Case Closed – Georgia Gives OK to Determine Fraud:
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Corsi focuses on this article starting at the 24:00 mark in the above video.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-arizona-patriots-identify-160000-400000-phantom-ballots-state-2020-election-results/
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Nope, no fraud here……
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1345174003653038080
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I love the smell of irony in the morning. 🙂
https://twitter.com/FogCityMidge/status/1345084099447328768
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Nothing to see here…. move along….
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That sucks.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/12/january-6-no-mike-pence-cant-just-reject-electoral-certifications/
“January 6 – No Mike Pence Can’t Just Reject Electoral Certifications
Note the words in the Constitution: The President of the Senate “shall … open all the Certificates” and “the Votes shall then be counted.” Shall is mandatory, there is no discretion.”
“Senator Josh Hawley and numerous Republican representatives have indicated that when electoral certifications are set to be counted, they will object to the counting of certifications from several disputed states.
Hawley’s statement did not cite the authority for his objecting, I assume it is the 1887 law, The Electoral Count Act, 3 U.S.C. §§3-21, which provides procedures for raising and resolving objections. (See this 2016 Congressional Research Service Report for a description and citations.)
As I pointed out before, this procedure is a dead end because electors certified by states are counted unless an objection is upheld by both houses of Congress. Since Democrats control the House of Representatives, there is no chance that an objection to a state certified for Biden would be upheld. Maybe there are other political reasons for invoking this procedure — Democrats did it in January 2005 to challenge Bush electors — but no one should think this will change the election outcome. Not even Hawley seems to think that, as his statement makes clear he’s seeking a debate on election integrity or lack thereof in the 2020 election.
That Hawley and Republicans are invoking the statute should put to rest the claim that some have raised that the statute no longer governs because one congress cannot bind a future congress. If that is the case then it’s actually worse for Trump (or any challenger) because the Constitution provides no means of objecting — the certified votes must be counted.
A claim has circulated widely in the past few days that Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, has the power and discretion to reject certifications. If Pence had such power and chose to exercise it, it would be over, but he doesn’t.
Here is the relevant language of Article II, Section I (after the 12th Amendment)(emphasis added)
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
Note the words. “Shall … open all the Certificates” and “the Votes shall then be counted.” Shall is mandatory, there is no discretion. The certificates must be opened by Pence, and the votes must be counted (it’s unclear who does the counting, but the votes must be counted regardless). No Vice President (whether Mike Pence, Al Gore or future VP Kamala Harris) performing the function of opening the votes has discretion to reject votes. No Vice President has authority to accept votes presented through some extra-constitutional other process.”
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More…
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/12/where-things-stand-at-this-hour/
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There’s another state whose certification should be immediately overturned…
https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-election-data-shows-17650-votes-switched-from-trump-to-biden-data-scientists_3640670.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-02-1
“Georgia election data indicates 17,650 votes were switched from President Donald Trump to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, data scientists testified on Wednesday during a state Senate hearing.”
““What we have here is we actually have fraud that we can prove in this election, there was fraud in Georgia’s election, we can prove it with data,” Mealey said. “The voting will of the people of Georgia is not reflected in what was certified by the Secretary of State.””
“At 9:11 p.m. local time, Trump received 29,391 votes as Biden simultaneously received 17,218. However, in the next reported time update, Trump’s votes became 17,218 while Biden’s changed to 29,391.
In this single event, 12,173 votes were switched, the data scientists believe.
“I want to make that very, very clear that at no point in an incremental process, should you decrement it,” Lobue said.
State-certified election results show Trump lost Georgia by 12,670 votes. The Trump campaign is still challenging the results in various courts.”
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The momentum is building…
Given the irrefutable proof based on hard evidence of vote switching by Dominion in GA, plus the clear evidence in other states, the only other question that remains is how widespread the fraud actually was…
Notice that you won’t find a single Democrat calling for investigation and prosecution, because they are all in on it!
https://www.theepochtimes.com/11-more-gop-senators-to-object-to-electoral-college-votes_3641087.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-02-2
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From Olasky:
https://world.wng.org/2020/12/avoiding_martial_law
~ Avoiding martial law
Can we find common ground?
For 30 years I’ve criticized left-wing journalists for some of their outrageous statements. I now have to acknowledge that some on the right have caught up.
After Joe Biden on Dec. 14 received a majority of Electoral College votes, Donald Trump said, “This Fake Election can no longer stand: Get moving Democrats.” Most people understood that as bluster, but Gen. Michael Flynn and assorted Republican politicians urged Trump to declare martial law. The Epoch Times editorialized that Donald Trump should call out military forces that would “safeguard the future of our Republic and arrest those who have conspired to deprive people of their rights.”
Take away rights to restore rights? Trump supporters spent most of November and December peering through smoke and trying to spot fires, but were unable to convince 50-plus judges or the Supreme Court—so use the Army to safeguard the Republic? And what kind of republic will we have left? Edmund Burke wrote in his Reflections on the Revolution in France, “In the groves of their academy, at the end of every vista, you see nothing but the gallows.” That’s now true of the far right as well as the left. …
… So let’s be thankful we have a process for appealing election results. Trump supporters have followed it and failed to convince judges. It’s time to look forward. We’ve seen that the farther we move away from one-day-only, in-person voting, the easier we make it for unscrupulous people to cheat because of the chain-of-custody problem. Both losers in the last two presidential elections have declared them stolen. We have a crisis in confidence that will get worse unless we get control of the chain of custody. …
… Neither side will accomplish much, though, by feeling self-righteous and looking upon the other as evil personified. WORLD will keep a vigilant eye on the Biden administration, but we’ll also remember Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s adage: “The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either—but right through every human heart.” …
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That article also quoted from the 1966 movie, A Man for All Seasons. I’ve watched that again sometime in the last couple months.
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One viewpoint of where we are, politically, as a country:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-shockingly-moderate-electorate-11605546108
WSJ Opinion
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America’s Shockingly Moderate Electorate
Polls predicted a landslide, but the result was close and split because voters reject radical changes.
By Mark Penn
Nov. 16, 2020 12:01 pm ET
… We are one country divided by two parties. The nation is largely moderate, practical and driven by common sense over ideology. Most voters prefer compromise on health care, immigration, stimulus and other thorny issues that the extremes of the parties have pushed to the limits. Only 24% of voters identify as liberal, while 38% say they’re conservative, according to CNN exit polls. Another 38% are moderate. Despite the widespread publicity given the left, since 2014—a good year for Republicans—the percentage of self-identified liberals declined 2 points, while the share of conservatives increased 3 points.
It is highly significant that in deep-blue California, two ballot measures—to end a constitutional ban on racial preferences by government and to repeal restraints on commercial property-tax increases—both went down by wide margins. The country might have shifted in favor of looser marijuana laws, but it doesn’t generally favor higher taxes (Illinois voters also voted against tax increases) nor has it lost faith in the ideal of a postracial society. Also, respondents to a not-yet-released Harris poll named free speech as the most important American value. These are critical signals from the voters that a new administration can ignore only at its peril. …
… The message from the voters is that we are not divided into two extreme camps. Rather, they are more centrist in nature and outlook, and that a president who governs too far to the right or left is likely to be left behind in the next election.
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(the author: Mr. Penn, managing director of the Stagwell Group and chairman of the Harris Poll, was chief strategist on Bill Clinton’s 1996 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, and Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign)
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Kizzie, I somehow never saw A Man for All Seasons, so I went ahead and rented it on Amazon Prime, will plan to watch it in the next night or so, sometime this week — I think the $3.00+ rental is good for 30 days.
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DJ @ 8:37pm: Regarding judges… “All the judges seem to be reading from the same DNC script. They are willfully blinded to the greatest fraud in history.” Sidney Powell
Olasky insists that “it’s time to look forward.” No, not until the constitutional process has played out. The fact that he is already talking about a “Biden administration” shows that what he writes there cannot be taken seriously.
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Awesome!!!
https://www.theepochtimes.com/more-than-400-ex-intelligence-officers-to-investigate-election-irregularities_3640420.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-02-5
“Over 400 people from the Intelligence Community (IC), military, law enforcement, and the judiciary have formed a loose network to investigate irregularities in the 2020 election.”
““The fraud was so massive and so blatant, despite what the mainstream media said, that we need to get this information out to the public,” said Caron. “That’s why more and more people from the intelligence community and law enforcement are coming out, which is unheard of.””
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A KGB defector’s warning to the USA from some 36 years ago, but oh, so prescient…
For a fuller explanation of the whole issue (again, from Yuri Bezmenov):
Remember: “We cannot subvert a society that does not want to be subverted.”
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I don’t know how many of you actually had the chance to watch the video that I posted at the end of Dec about the Ukrainian press conference (given its length), but this article gets to the heart of the matter…
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/ukraine_press_conference_explicitly_ties_hunter_and_joe_biden_to_corruption.html
“This post quotes those portions of the press conference that address Biden family corruption. The gist of it is that, while Democrats obsess about Trump’s purported criminality, despite the absence of any evidence, their chosen standard-bearer is extraordinarily corrupt.
Indeed, I would argue that Biden is one of the most corrupt politicians ever in America. In the past, corrupt politicians have confined themselves to playing dirty in their own backyard, making money from deals with fellow Americans.
I believe that Biden is the first person ever to serve in the highest reaches of government — the Senate and the vice presidency — who sold his country out to the highest foreign bidders. It’s an insult to everything America has stood for since its inception that massive election fraud might allow this person to set foot in the Oval Office.”
“Andrii Derkach picked up the narrative. He focused on Joe Biden’s conversations with former president Poroshenko when Viktor Shokin, a prosecutor, started looking into Zlochevsky’s graft. As we all know, Biden openly boasted about holding up money from the U.S. unless Poroshenko fired Shokin.
The press conference included audio from a November 16, 2016 conversation between Biden and Poroshenko. Biden was wheeling and dealing for influence and money — and conducting foreign policy behind Trump’s back. The men spoke again in February 2017, at which time Biden smothered Poroshenko with fulsome compliments.
Ukraine’s government is gunning for Joe Biden. The Ukrainians know that Biden helped prop up a corrupt government in their country and that he profited mightily from doing so. No wonder this video has gone viral.”
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I’m just thankful that I lived in a country that was the greatest experiment in self government that ever was.
Sorry to see it go.
I doubt that we will survive the Bidens.
The next?
China
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It’s not gone yet, chas. And it only stays or “goes” under and within God’s divine providence
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We vote, we do our best (as we see it) to do good by the country we’ve been blessed with, but the long view result and “ending” isn’t ours to absolutely control.
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Mitch McConnell’s home was also vandalized with graffiti — “where’s my money” and “mitch kills the poor”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-mcconnell-pelosi-homes-vandalized-after-push-for-2000-covid-19-relief/
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Georgia has done everything possible to assure people the vote was correct. They hand counted the printed ballots, they did a machine recount, they did a signature audit — nothing was uncovered by their Republican gov’t. If there was any indication of fraud anywhere the Trump legal team would’ve brought to a courtroom. When offered the opportunity countless times, they have declined — they have nothing.
I’m curious when Republican House Reps and Senators object to “disputed” states will they also object to any Republicans elected from those states to take a seat in the Congress. The argument against Penn is that they didn’t follow their own rules and therefore the vote is invalid; hence should they not refuse to sit the 9 Republican House Reps who were on the same ballot.
The fact is there is no dispute or fraud other the Trump and friends saying there is; they have been to courtrooms at least 50 times and have yet to provide proof of fraud. Calling an election disputed does not make it so. When I predicted a Biden victory, it was based on the polls and the heavy early voting turnout — I was right with every state except I said North Carolina was on the fence not Georgia. Anyone following the polls closely should not have been surprised by the outcome.
And a few days from the Georgia senate run-off, the heavy early voting turnout in urban areas and the gradual increase in poll numbers suggests the Democrats will win by less than 1%. While Trump had the Republican party focused on his defeat, the Democrats registered even more voters and pushed for an even larger early voting turnout. Young urban blacks were the key to Biden’s win in Georgia — they voted in record numbers and if they do that again, Democrats win. Once you look at the demographic data the Georgia win makes sense — 20% of all voters were under 30, young black men voted in record numbers, etc.
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Self identifying as a centrist doesn’t mean people are actually centrist — people tend to like the mushy middle, the non-radical position, and have a tendency to false equivalency.
Context and location make the centrist position subject to relative perception. In my neighborhood, a centrist is someone who votes for the Liberal party. Liberal candidates in my district would be considered too left wing for the Liberal party elsewhere. Meanwhile in rural Nebraska Ben Sasse is probably considered a centrist. In most cases a centrist hears two different positions and thinks we should choose the middle just to be safe or since both sides make a good argument we should try both. This is the tendency to false equivalency. And then there’s historical changes — Nixon was considered right wing in his time; now he’s a moderate. Johnson was considered left wing in his time now he too is a mo
Then again, there’s the additional issue of the difference between economic and social versions of left/right.
And then there’s historical changes — Nixon was considered right wing in his time; now he’s a moderate. Johnson was considered left wing in his time now he too is a moderate. The political spectrum in the US is expanding and while unsettling to many this is a good thing. If the US can accept a broader political spectrum, the diversity of ideas will improve the country.
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A note to the doom and gloom some of you feel;
Your side lost. My side almost always loses. However, its not the end of the world. Your ideas and my ideas are still being expressed in legislatures, the press, and maybe even the courts. There’s still a give and take of ideas and maybe despite the loss some of your ideas will prevail or become part of the conversation (this is usually the case for the NDP here, we lose but we do bring ideas out to the mainstream). In two or four years there’s another election and another chance. As long as those who are defeated accept defeat and play the role of loyal opposition in the legislatures, the nation will survive. It does not help to argue and object for no other reason than a man refuses to admit he lost. He’s one man not the nation and the party and the people can move on without him.
Biden’s not the end of the world. In fact he’s probably the safest bet for stability right now. The nation will survive — it survived Trump (so far), Obama, Bush Jr, Reagan, Nixon etc. In the 1930s conservatives thought FDR would destroy the US; in fact he saved capitalism from itself. Biden is a transition; he’s not radical nor is he corrupt (by US Congress standards). Relax; interact with family and friends, focus on your community and in two-four years another opportunity presents itself.
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Nixon wasn’t considered “right wing” from what I recall (I was a teenager when he won the presidency in 1968). He was classified as a Republican moderate. Reagan was considered far to the right of Nixon in those days.
But yes, those definitions and classifications certainly to shift with the times and the cultural perspectives.
We’ve survived both parties, thus far. lol
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In the 1960s, there were Republican “liberals” (Rockefeller, Lindsay) and Democrat “conservatives.”
Of course, those terms were relative within their respective parties (and on the broader spectrum of left-to-right the classifications varied). But both parties, then, had a fair amount of diversity in the 1950s and 1960s. That pretty much changed as the 1970s dawned and both parties became more narrow in their ideology, with the Democrats moving left and the Republican’s moving right.
But there remained Republican moderates (Bush Sr. comes to mind) — Democrats became a bit more rigid, I’d argue, moving more toward a purer idea of liberalism. Biden has been a moderate but has moved away from many of those positions in this recent campaign, I suppose (in his mind) by necessity as the party had become more liberal.
The strain of politics we seen in movements such as BLM and others active in this year’s protests and, yes, riots appear to be more of an anarchist sentiment. Thus both Democrats and Republicans are the focus of their ire at times.
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The Democrats also moved back to a more moderate stance with Jimmy Carter. Moderate candidates on both sides have tended to do better than the more hard-core right- or left-wing advocates.
So yes, I’d say, “in general,” the U.S. voting public does lean in toward the broader center more often than not when given a choice.
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it’s interesting to recall, too, that some of the strongest pro-life voices in the early days were Democrats, including Jesse Jackson and Al Gore (if I’m not mistaken about Gore).
As the parties solidified, they abandoned those positions for those more in line with their party. There’s hardly a pro-life voice among the Democrats these days, they’ve mostly been driven into the wilderness as even minimal tolerance for those “other” views has vanished.
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As for Biden, I agree, things could have been a lot worse from a conservative view. However, how long he remains at the helm (with Harris next in line) remains questionable. And much hinges on the Senate remaining in Republican hands as a needed (in my view anyway) check and balance going forward.
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Afterthought: I wonder, too, if there isn’t some anarchist-type views emanating now from the far right as well. Those kinds of views tend to get nourished on the two ‘wings’ of the political spectrum.
I think our two-party system has served the U.S. well, generally, in providing checks-and-balances a certain stability, overall, in the nation as a whole. We seem to be encountering a new era, perhaps, in which that may change, but time will tell.
Interesting times.
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through…all the alleys and doorways, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic, so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
~ Marcus Tullius Cicero
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WSJ:
Trump Pressured Georgia Secretary of State to ‘Find’ Votes
‘There is nothing wrong with saying, you know, that you recalculated,’ the president told Brad Raffensperger
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~ ATLANTA—President Trump in a Saturday telephone call urged Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to overturn the November election results that delivered the state to President-elect Joe Biden.
At one point in the roughly hourlong call, Mr. Trump told Mr. Raffensperger that he could face legal action and said he wanted him to find about 12,000 votes so he could reverse Mr. Biden’s victory.
“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state,” he told Mr. Raffensperger on the call, adding later, “it’s not a problem that is going away.” Mr. Biden won the state by 11,779 votes.
A recording of the call was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. ~
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-urged-georgia-secretary-of-state-to-overturn-election-results-11609707084
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~ … News of the extraordinary conversation of a sitting president pressuring a state elections official to overturn election results comes just days before Jan. 5 runoff elections in Georgia that could determine which party controls the U.S. Senate and a Jan. 6 joint session of Congress to ratify Mr. Biden’s Electoral College win in the November vote. … ~
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Reagan definitely moved the spectrum to the right. In terms of economics, Reagan made Carter look like a left wing radical. Carter was a moderate in both social and economic policies — he genuinely cared about everyone. He was a rare politician.
The expansion of a national media helped to solidify the two parties into coherent positions. In the past, each party was a coalition of local interests (for example the New Deal coalition had the urban labor bloc, southern democrats and mid-western populists all in the same party). Once the the parties solidified into coherent blocs; you can see the fight for the middle. Clinton for example was a centrist especially in economics.
The parties are undergoing a bit of a shift but its impossible to know where its going to lead. For now, its fairly safe to predict a rural-urban split.
In terms of the abortion questions; the positions have solidified on both sides. Neither side seems willing to compromise on the premise that it will lower an ideological position. Pro life became no exemptions and pro choice became no limits. Gore and others like him attempted to find a middle ground and essentially gave up. Even the terms have been applied narrowly — to say one is pro-life refers only to abortion now. Personally I think I am pro life since I embrace universal health care, paid maternity leave, well funded public schools, etc. Similarly I’m also pro choice in that the gov’t should not interfere in discussions between a doctor and the patient. Make abortion a choice that isn’t necessary — remove financial issues, remove work issues, etc Abortion rates have declined everywhere no matter what type of legislation is in effect. Its the least effective method — prohibition doesn’t work, some will even argue gov’t control (eg gun control) doesnt work.
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Quite ironic that Tychicus ‘s quote was followed by DJ’s post.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
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So the WSJ is being dishonest again – they’ve become as bad as Fox News.
C’mon people – are you going to believe your own eyes and ears, or are you going to believe the likes of Raffensperger and Kemp, Dems and RINOs? Don’t support and defend those who are seeking to cover up the massive fraud!
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Sorry, hwesseli, but these connivers planned and executed the greatest election fraud in US history – hence the ‘traitor’ reference.
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