Good Morning Everyone.
I told you yesterday my house guest has worked out well. She is now Mr P’s new best friend. She grew up in Brooklyn, attended college in DC, and lives in Philadelphia. She speaks football.
I have also had a great time with her. She held a great class in my office yesterday. The agents really appreciated what she had to say.
I have managed to teach her that a PEE-can is a port-o-potty and a pan-cahn (think James Caan) is a nut. I showed her pecan trees. She didn’t know the nuts came from trees 😃.
While she has been here I introduced her to fried crab claws (Where have these been all of my life?) and boiled peanuts (not a fan).
All in all it’s been a good time. Oh and I took her to the Flora-Bama Lounge and Package Store.
Oh, and in case any of you were wondering how Grandpa, Pop, Papa (we aren’t clear on what she is calling him) handled the no bottle situation yesterday. There is a bottle in the drain rack next to the sink. Mr. Pushover indeed. 🙂
They just beckon with those cute little fingers and Grandpa folds.
Or so the in-house grandfather freely confesses.
Last night we tolerated a couple of Doris Day-Rock Hudson movies, both playing solitaire as the film rolled. (Though I later shifted to a poor novel. The second film and the book combined quite well).
In “Lover Come Back,” Rock Hudson plays a hypochondriac who decides to find a second husband for his wife before he dies.
R looked at me. “Can we decide I’m now old enough you don’t have to find a second wife for me in case you die young?”
(That’s one of the issues I dealt with while pregnant with our daughter and dealing with a breast lump and prospective breast cancer scare. I survived).
“Okay,” I said. “With five granddaughters and one daughter, I think you’ll have enough females to look after you.”
We both laughed.
The girls and their little fingers, though, . . . . hard to say what will happen.
Thank you for your suggestions for the South African woman looking for an Oswald Chambers-type Bible school. She found something in South Africa and wrote to ask me if I thought it comparable to the OC’s Bible Training College. (I’d also sent her OC’s school prospectus from 1913).
Good morning. I finished listening to an audiobook Biblical fiction, Sold Into Freedom, by Carole Towriss. It was wonderful. I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys that type book.
I went to the Wed. evening prayer and Bible study group last night. Afterwards Art and I went to the Blue Ribbon Grill and since it was so late we were seated in the bar area at a booth. I suppose they were moving everyone over there so they could close up the other side. It sure was loud. I guess I had never experienced being in a sports bar atmosphere with all the different sports showing on TVs. Art could watch basketball directly behind me and in the distance I could see dirt bike motor racing. The bar area was a giant oval. Art thinks the place is much like the television show Cheers. Since it was too loud for talking, I was totally entertained by people watching. And I love their sweet potato fries, Cole slaw, and grilled chicken with swiss cheese and bacon sandwich which is enough for one or two more meals. It is very reasonably priced. Maybe they make most of their money from bar sales. I will enjoy the rest of the food in the quiet peace here at home and I may share a bite of chicken with Miss Bosley.
This is an early day for me, there’s a long-anticipated port vote this morning regarding automation of the port’s largest terminal.
Automation — bringing in equipment that can and will displace some longshore workers over time going forward — is an inevitability and the union has acknowledged that in their last contract. It’s coming and already is being used at a couple other terminals.
But the union has drawn a line in the sand on this one permit now before the board and it’s created all kinds of drama with marches and rallies against “robots.” The mayor intervened to get both sides together for closed-door talks in the past 2 months, most likely trying to reach concessions that will ensure a certain number of jobs will be saved during this process. Those talks seemed to still be going on as recently as this week still. The terminal has the right to automate so the union is definitely in the weaker position here.
So the big vote to grant the permit to the terminal is today — one of the commissioners is on an extended family vacation in Italy so he’ll be voting by phone. I spoke off the record to another commissioner the other day who’s a staunch union supporter and it sounded like she’d have much to say at today’s meeting.
It’ll be possibly pretty hectic today, easily more than 1,000 union members will be on hand (one meeting drew 2,000) and I may wind up writing my first breaking-news story on it via my phone, then I’ll add to it later once I can get home and on the laptop.
I’ve been camping in Ps. 131 this week, had a chance to sit outside on the patio after my shower this morning with that Psalm again. I heard a noise and noticed a strange cat standing on top of my neighbors’ backyard work shed staring over the fence at me 🙂 I’ve seen her before in my front yard.
We’ve been still in a June Gloom mode, cloudy and cool weather. The sun does peek out by afternoon, but we’re hardly breaking 70. I’m grateful we’re not heating up too quickly this summer. We’ll have plenty of time for that as the summer and fall unfold.
My grandson went to DC with many of his fellow classmates this year. His mom (my daughter) was able to accompany them, so experienced DC for the first time in her life, too. I would love to go back myself.
Although I have been throughout many of the eastern states, I have never been to DC. I discovered one day, when chatting with my father, that he had, years ago before he was married, in the early 1970s when young people went traveling the world on a dime. He said he had been driving through the States – oh, so casually – and was close enough to DC that he decided to go see it, which explains my childhood memories of looking at my father’s hologram postcard of the Capitol and the White House (depending on the way you shifted it, you could see a picture of either building).
But, if I am one of the few on the blog who has never been to DC, I think I am the only one who has been to Parliament Hill in Ottawa.
Michelle, I can’t say one way or another whether I’ve heard of him, but the name Womack raised a red flag for me because of someone associated with my childhood who, if I recall correctly, wasn’t the most savory of our churches’ guest preachers. I might be thinking of someone else, the memory is fuzzy, but someone who bragged about how as a Christian he didn’t need to follow the law in his care for teenage girls, and kept getting thrown in jail and thinking himself persecuted. After Dad’s death Mom told me how dismayed she was that Dad sent money to the guy. Even if that was a Womack, he might or might not be related to the guy, that that’s where my red flag went up.
May I ask why she wants a school fashioned after Oswald Chambers? Oswald Chambers was popular, but hardly a theologian. She’d be much better off seeking a school affiliated with a sound denomination that is academically inclined.
Cheryl, not everyone has the academic credentials to get into an academic theological school. I speak from personal experience. I applied years ago to the Divinity School that is associated with the university I just received my degree from, and I applied to a certificate program, as I did not at that time have a degree. I had reason to think well of the school, as several of the employees, including the Dean, attended the city church. My application was accepted, but only on academic probation. Apparently, my graduation at the top of my class from a college nursing program was not enough of an academic recommendation. Brother Andrew relates in God’s Outlaw about how he found a similar barrier to obtaining training in the Bible and bypassed it by a non-academic Bible School similar in pattern to Oswald Chambers’ school. The lack of academic credentials should not prevent people from training for Christian service, but too often, it does.
Roscuro, I wasn’t talking about academic credentials to get into the school; I didn’t get the idea she was looking at graduate-level training. I didn’t have academic credentials either (just a high school diploma from a correspondence school). I’m saying that the professors teaching in the school should have some theological training. In a war-time situation like Chambers taught in, I guess sometimes you take what you can get. But if it is possible to seek something better, it is worth doing.
Cheryl, I was making no comment on the school she found, whether it was good or bad, just responding to the question of why someone would seek out a school similar to the one Chamber’s ran.
Not everyone has even a high school diploma. I do not. A GED is not considered the academic equivalent to a high school diploma, and that is all I have for secondary education. Now that I have a bachelor’s degree, my lack of a high school diploma no longer matters should I pursue any other education, but before I got my degree, even with my college diploma, having no high school diploma mattered a great deal whenever I considered any other education, which I did several times.
Michelle, Andrew Wommack is a Word of Faith preacher. That should be enough to set off alarm bells to anyone who knows what Word of Faith is and who else uses it: https://www.gotquestions.org/Word-Faith.html. I need only mention one name, Benny Hinn.
Roscuro, a GED is enough to get one into many or most (all?) Bible colleges. That’s all my sister had, and she enrolled though she only finished one year. One brother with only a GED has never enrolled full-time in a college (he has taken individual classes), but one more finished Bible college and another got a degree at a university. I think a GED is enough to get one into a community college, and from there into a degree program. As you have found, there are ways to do it. My point was just to seek out a good program, and there are options on that.
Cheryl, it took me over a decade and cost an enormous amount of money to find a way, and I cannot afford to go on a take Bible training right now. As my niece considers further education options as she approaches the end of high school, I have been reminded of just how costly most Bible schools are. Chambers’ option was low cost, as was the one that Brother Andrew found. That is another factor in looking for such a school.
Have you considered inviting a lady from church to visit with you one or two days a week while you have the boy? There are ladies who are looking for something to fill their time while looking for opportunities to develop friendship. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Mumsee – I don’t know how to explain this, but The Boy is very strange when it comes to people he doesn’t know. He can act out in weird ways. It is one of the reasons we wonder if he really is on the autism spectrum.
She would not be there to entertain the boy. She would be there to become your friend. The boy could she positive friendship in action. All good. Do not blame bad behavior on autism. Thirteen year old was not not allowed to go to VBS because he was autistic or dd but because he was ill behaved. Most autistic children, especially higher functioning, do understand the need to behave.
Fortunately, with the scheduled visits with his dad, I’ll only be childsitting two days a week (plus about three hours on Monday morning until his dad picks him up, which isn’t much), and a day plus another three hours the other day every other weekend. So it’s not that bad. I just thought it would be nice to have her company for both of us for one day a week. He adores his auntie, and lately our visits hadn’t had much time for him to hang out much with her.
It’s not necessarily bad behavior (although it can be, and Nightingale is swift to deal with it if it is). As I said, I can’t really explain it, other than to say that it can be weird or strange.
Thanks for your observations. I’m just trying to answer this woman’s question. Christians can have different beliefs about things that have nothing to do with their salvation–that’s one reason we have denominations.
She’s a journalist with a master’s degree in media. An intelligent woman who wasn’t concerned about where a good OC-type of Bible school was located. I sent her the 1913 prospectus so she could draw her own conclusions about what types of things a Bible school would teach–as opposed to a seminary.
I’ve never been to either, as I told her, but I’d think a Bible school would focus on learning about the Bible–book by book. A seminary would have a different goal, wouldn’t it?
OC was a Holiness preacher who didn’t have a problem with dispensationalism. I have a problem with dispensationalism–but it never comes up in My Utmost for His Highest that I’ve had trouble with.
I’m not keen on the Holiness movement, either, but it sent Charles and Lettie Cowman to Japan as missionaries and changed peoples lives in that country, Korea and China. Who am I to say they were wrong?
It’s their salvation that’s important; the rest is up to people studying the Bible and having a relationship with Jesus. I can’t possibly know their hearts (or yours) or what God is doing through them.
Do I see fruit?
Ah, isn’t that how I’m supposed to assess another?
Kizzie, I guess what I am trying to tactfully say in my untactful way, is that you are lonely. Underestood, You miss your husband. Understood. You are trying to get your emotional support from your daughters. Understood. And the older one appears to do quite well at balancing her own needs, work, son, and you. But that is a lot. Your younger is still at the age of figuring things out and cannot be helping. She may agree. And it will likely fall through. Which is why we pray for you as well. But perhaps there is a woman or two in church that you could be blessing with a lunch meeting at your house, or a couple hours of chat in the morning, or a time where she comes and helps you clean. Or so many other possibilities.
Michelle, I understand that we do not always agree with other Christians. But the fruit of the Word of Faith movement is rotten. I fear your inquirer would be sorely disappointed.
Incidentally, I mentioned Capernwray the other day as an option for your inquirer. Capernwray, which is part of the Torchbearers International organization, was founded by Major Ian Thomas, who was, like Oswald Chambers, associated with the Keswick Convention.
My family is doubly connected to Major Ian Thomas and Capernwray. My Jewish uncle, the one who was preserved from the Nazis Holocaust by the Kindertransport, was personally discipled by Major Ian Thomas. My uncle was one of the gentlest and sincerest Christians any of my family ever knew and he was a wonderful pastor. It was that personal connection to Capernwray that led other members of my family, including two of my uncle’s grandsons, to attend Capernwray. The other connection is through a dear friend of my mother’s, a British immigrant to Canada who was once nanny to the Thomas family. So although I too have reservations about the Holiness movement, Capernwray is actually the nearest thing there is to Chambers’ school, although unfortunately, there does not appear to be a Torchbearers school in South Africa: https://torchbearers.org/.
Kizzie, I know what you mean. Eldest Nephew is like that, not bad (although, like other children, he can be bad), just different. But that is precisely the reason for having more interaction, not less. I have encountered odd young men who never learned to interact properly with others, but lived in their parents’ basement and scared everyone away with how intense they were about their interests and how clueless they were about everything else. But the preventative prescription for that kind of result is to have the somewhat odd children interact with others, not shelter them from outside contact. The Eldests do all they can to encourage Eldest Nephew to come out of his shell, and they accept the fact that he may act a bit different when he is out in public. The other week when they were here, they took him out with his elder sister to the concert that was her birthday present and he enjoyed the experience. Although the band the was playing was not one of his intense interests (and he can be very intense over his interests), participating in the interests of others was a good thing for him.
I made great efforts to get my son out with others since he was an only child. I was the one less than comfortable socializing with people who could be very different from me and my family. We did church, choir, band, library programs, baseball, gymnastics, Scouts, and 4-H along with lots of camps in the summers. it was all beneficial, but a challenge for me to make it all happen. I felt it was important to seek out good people groups and leaders to influence him. Children need ways to learn to fit in so they don’t feel themselves to be an outsider so much as I have felt myself to be much of my life. If things don’t go well at school they can at least look forward to being with friends at one of their groups.
As you all know, Nightingale has The Boy involved in Cub Scouts, and in various sports most of the year. She also has friends she sees with him in tow, and he plays with their children of various ages, except for when they visit the friend who is childless. Sometimes it seems that they spend more time out and about than they do at home. We have neighbors whom he is familiar with, too,
It is probably more of a matter of me feeling awkward about the whole thing. (And he’s really not “weird” all the time.)
Next week, they are going camping in Maine with Nightingale’s best friend and her daughter, who is a couple years younger than The Boy.
So what I’m saying is that he has plenty of contact with a variety of people of various ages. That is not a problem.
I just made the final (I think) changes and additions to my port story. Crazy, loud meeting & I had to go back over my recording of it to flesh out some of the quotes.
Now I’m listening to “Silver Bells,” I have my random loop of songs running on the speaker so it’s always an unexpected surprise.
Now it’s Rod Stewart. 🙂 Before that we had the military band themes, a song from Chorus Line … It’s all very random.
Ran into one of our former reporters who left to have a baby 2 years ago and is now back working for the LA Biz Journal so she was there covering the meeting as well.
And our former senior editor is now the port spokesman, saw him too (but we still talk all the time about port stories); and our former photographer who’s now the councilman’s aide (talk to him all the time, too) — it’s kind of like old home week covering some of these things now.
Yes, it is, DJ.
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Nightingale left for work around 2:40 for an evening shift. Shortly after The Boy and I had finished an early dinner, a little before 5, she texted that there had been a mix-up on the schedule, and another nurse was there to work. So she had worked with her for a little while, and then came home. The Boy was so happy.
I was glad, too, because I had been thinking that with the way her schedule for the next few days goes, and with The Boy’s overnight visit with his dad Friday into Saturday (and her working Saturday night), they would not have any real time together again until Sunday. So I was happy for him that his mommy didn’t have to work tonight after all.
Now they are out on a Pokemon hunt walk. (Or maybe she drove, since it has been rainy today.)
Oh I am late here today! I was here earlier but had to rush off.
Michele, Andrew Womack is a local guy here. He is actually located in Woodland Park and Colorado Springs. From the description you gave Cheryl I do not believe he is the same guy you are thinking of…I have never heard that he had been in prison.
I will say I would not recommend him nor his ministry. I know people who are “followers” of his and a friend attends his church. I would describe his thinking as “name it claim it”. I did have observations about him during a Pregnancy Center retreat many years ago…he was our guest speaker and let’s just say he was never invited back…..
Nancy Jill, I doubt this man has been in prison, but I wondered if he was a relative (son or grandson or nephew). I couldn’t find anything by googling.
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Morning all, up and at em. My grandson went on a school trip to DC, so he is now on blog time.
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Good evening Jo.
Good morning everyone ele.
This is my third try. See if it works.
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Good Morning Everyone.
I told you yesterday my house guest has worked out well. She is now Mr P’s new best friend. She grew up in Brooklyn, attended college in DC, and lives in Philadelphia. She speaks football.
I have also had a great time with her. She held a great class in my office yesterday. The agents really appreciated what she had to say.
I have managed to teach her that a PEE-can is a port-o-potty and a pan-cahn (think James Caan) is a nut. I showed her pecan trees. She didn’t know the nuts came from trees 😃.
While she has been here I introduced her to fried crab claws (Where have these been all of my life?) and boiled peanuts (not a fan).
All in all it’s been a good time. Oh and I took her to the Flora-Bama Lounge and Package Store.
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Indigo bunting!
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Oh, and in case any of you were wondering how Grandpa, Pop, Papa (we aren’t clear on what she is calling him) handled the no bottle situation yesterday. There is a bottle in the drain rack next to the sink. Mr. Pushover indeed. 🙂
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The first thing baby girls learn is how to handle grandfathers.
“Learn” is not the right word. It’s instinct.
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They just beckon with those cute little fingers and Grandpa folds.
Or so the in-house grandfather freely confesses.
Last night we tolerated a couple of Doris Day-Rock Hudson movies, both playing solitaire as the film rolled. (Though I later shifted to a poor novel. The second film and the book combined quite well).
In “Lover Come Back,” Rock Hudson plays a hypochondriac who decides to find a second husband for his wife before he dies.
R looked at me. “Can we decide I’m now old enough you don’t have to find a second wife for me in case you die young?”
(That’s one of the issues I dealt with while pregnant with our daughter and dealing with a breast lump and prospective breast cancer scare. I survived).
“Okay,” I said. “With five granddaughters and one daughter, I think you’ll have enough females to look after you.”
We both laughed.
The girls and their little fingers, though, . . . . hard to say what will happen.
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Thank you for your suggestions for the South African woman looking for an Oswald Chambers-type Bible school. She found something in South Africa and wrote to ask me if I thought it comparable to the OC’s Bible Training College. (I’d also sent her OC’s school prospectus from 1913).
She thinks she’s found something comparable at Charis Bible College in South Africa. https://www.awmi.net/about-us/charis-bible-college/
I’m looking at the information now and see it is related to Andrew Womack Ministries.
He’s based in Texas. Has anyone heard of him? https://www.awmi.net/
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Re: my 9:03
I have three granddaughters, grown now.
But I know whereof I speak.
All three are fine young women and mothers themselves now.
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Good morning. I finished listening to an audiobook Biblical fiction, Sold Into Freedom, by Carole Towriss. It was wonderful. I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys that type book.
I went to the Wed. evening prayer and Bible study group last night. Afterwards Art and I went to the Blue Ribbon Grill and since it was so late we were seated in the bar area at a booth. I suppose they were moving everyone over there so they could close up the other side. It sure was loud. I guess I had never experienced being in a sports bar atmosphere with all the different sports showing on TVs. Art could watch basketball directly behind me and in the distance I could see dirt bike motor racing. The bar area was a giant oval. Art thinks the place is much like the television show Cheers. Since it was too loud for talking, I was totally entertained by people watching. And I love their sweet potato fries, Cole slaw, and grilled chicken with swiss cheese and bacon sandwich which is enough for one or two more meals. It is very reasonably priced. Maybe they make most of their money from bar sales. I will enjoy the rest of the food in the quiet peace here at home and I may share a bite of chicken with Miss Bosley.
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This is an early day for me, there’s a long-anticipated port vote this morning regarding automation of the port’s largest terminal.
Automation — bringing in equipment that can and will displace some longshore workers over time going forward — is an inevitability and the union has acknowledged that in their last contract. It’s coming and already is being used at a couple other terminals.
But the union has drawn a line in the sand on this one permit now before the board and it’s created all kinds of drama with marches and rallies against “robots.” The mayor intervened to get both sides together for closed-door talks in the past 2 months, most likely trying to reach concessions that will ensure a certain number of jobs will be saved during this process. Those talks seemed to still be going on as recently as this week still. The terminal has the right to automate so the union is definitely in the weaker position here.
So the big vote to grant the permit to the terminal is today — one of the commissioners is on an extended family vacation in Italy so he’ll be voting by phone. I spoke off the record to another commissioner the other day who’s a staunch union supporter and it sounded like she’d have much to say at today’s meeting.
It’ll be possibly pretty hectic today, easily more than 1,000 union members will be on hand (one meeting drew 2,000) and I may wind up writing my first breaking-news story on it via my phone, then I’ll add to it later once I can get home and on the laptop.
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I’ve been camping in Ps. 131 this week, had a chance to sit outside on the patio after my shower this morning with that Psalm again. I heard a noise and noticed a strange cat standing on top of my neighbors’ backyard work shed staring over the fence at me 🙂 I’ve seen her before in my front yard.
We’ve been still in a June Gloom mode, cloudy and cool weather. The sun does peek out by afternoon, but we’re hardly breaking 70. I’m grateful we’re not heating up too quickly this summer. We’ll have plenty of time for that as the summer and fall unfold.
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My grandson went to DC with many of his fellow classmates this year. His mom (my daughter) was able to accompany them, so experienced DC for the first time in her life, too. I would love to go back myself.
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Although I have been throughout many of the eastern states, I have never been to DC. I discovered one day, when chatting with my father, that he had, years ago before he was married, in the early 1970s when young people went traveling the world on a dime. He said he had been driving through the States – oh, so casually – and was close enough to DC that he decided to go see it, which explains my childhood memories of looking at my father’s hologram postcard of the Capitol and the White House (depending on the way you shifted it, you could see a picture of either building).
But, if I am one of the few on the blog who has never been to DC, I think I am the only one who has been to Parliament Hill in Ottawa.
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Michelle, I can’t say one way or another whether I’ve heard of him, but the name Womack raised a red flag for me because of someone associated with my childhood who, if I recall correctly, wasn’t the most savory of our churches’ guest preachers. I might be thinking of someone else, the memory is fuzzy, but someone who bragged about how as a Christian he didn’t need to follow the law in his care for teenage girls, and kept getting thrown in jail and thinking himself persecuted. After Dad’s death Mom told me how dismayed she was that Dad sent money to the guy. Even if that was a Womack, he might or might not be related to the guy, that that’s where my red flag went up.
Googling your guy, it stayed up. He runs a “healing school.” http://www.charisbiblecollege.org/resources/school-of-healing That’s about all I need to know.
May I ask why she wants a school fashioned after Oswald Chambers? Oswald Chambers was popular, but hardly a theologian. She’d be much better off seeking a school affiliated with a sound denomination that is academically inclined.
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Cheryl, not everyone has the academic credentials to get into an academic theological school. I speak from personal experience. I applied years ago to the Divinity School that is associated with the university I just received my degree from, and I applied to a certificate program, as I did not at that time have a degree. I had reason to think well of the school, as several of the employees, including the Dean, attended the city church. My application was accepted, but only on academic probation. Apparently, my graduation at the top of my class from a college nursing program was not enough of an academic recommendation. Brother Andrew relates in God’s Outlaw about how he found a similar barrier to obtaining training in the Bible and bypassed it by a non-academic Bible School similar in pattern to Oswald Chambers’ school. The lack of academic credentials should not prevent people from training for Christian service, but too often, it does.
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In the forties here, but should get up into the fifties. I love this time of year, if I had a favorite….
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Roscuro, I wasn’t talking about academic credentials to get into the school; I didn’t get the idea she was looking at graduate-level training. I didn’t have academic credentials either (just a high school diploma from a correspondence school). I’m saying that the professors teaching in the school should have some theological training. In a war-time situation like Chambers taught in, I guess sometimes you take what you can get. But if it is possible to seek something better, it is worth doing.
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PS, Roscuro, follow my link and you’ll see why I say she should seek something better.
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Cheryl, I was making no comment on the school she found, whether it was good or bad, just responding to the question of why someone would seek out a school similar to the one Chamber’s ran.
Not everyone has even a high school diploma. I do not. A GED is not considered the academic equivalent to a high school diploma, and that is all I have for secondary education. Now that I have a bachelor’s degree, my lack of a high school diploma no longer matters should I pursue any other education, but before I got my degree, even with my college diploma, having no high school diploma mattered a great deal whenever I considered any other education, which I did several times.
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Michelle, Andrew Wommack is a Word of Faith preacher. That should be enough to set off alarm bells to anyone who knows what Word of Faith is and who else uses it: https://www.gotquestions.org/Word-Faith.html. I need only mention one name, Benny Hinn.
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Roscuro, a GED is enough to get one into many or most (all?) Bible colleges. That’s all my sister had, and she enrolled though she only finished one year. One brother with only a GED has never enrolled full-time in a college (he has taken individual classes), but one more finished Bible college and another got a degree at a university. I think a GED is enough to get one into a community college, and from there into a degree program. As you have found, there are ways to do it. My point was just to seek out a good program, and there are options on that.
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Cheryl, it took me over a decade and cost an enormous amount of money to find a way, and I cannot afford to go on a take Bible training right now. As my niece considers further education options as she approaches the end of high school, I have been reminded of just how costly most Bible schools are. Chambers’ option was low cost, as was the one that Brother Andrew found. That is another factor in looking for such a school.
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Kizzie,
Have you considered inviting a lady from church to visit with you one or two days a week while you have the boy? There are ladies who are looking for something to fill their time while looking for opportunities to develop friendship. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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Mumsee – I don’t know how to explain this, but The Boy is very strange when it comes to people he doesn’t know. He can act out in weird ways. It is one of the reasons we wonder if he really is on the autism spectrum.
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He has known our neighbor Denise, and often spends an hour at her house in the morning before school, and yet he doesn’t talk to her.
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She would not be there to entertain the boy. She would be there to become your friend. The boy could she positive friendship in action. All good. Do not blame bad behavior on autism. Thirteen year old was not not allowed to go to VBS because he was autistic or dd but because he was ill behaved. Most autistic children, especially higher functioning, do understand the need to behave.
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Fortunately, with the scheduled visits with his dad, I’ll only be childsitting two days a week (plus about three hours on Monday morning until his dad picks him up, which isn’t much), and a day plus another three hours the other day every other weekend. So it’s not that bad. I just thought it would be nice to have her company for both of us for one day a week. He adores his auntie, and lately our visits hadn’t had much time for him to hang out much with her.
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It’s not necessarily bad behavior (although it can be, and Nightingale is swift to deal with it if it is). As I said, I can’t really explain it, other than to say that it can be weird or strange.
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Thanks for your observations. I’m just trying to answer this woman’s question. Christians can have different beliefs about things that have nothing to do with their salvation–that’s one reason we have denominations.
She’s a journalist with a master’s degree in media. An intelligent woman who wasn’t concerned about where a good OC-type of Bible school was located. I sent her the 1913 prospectus so she could draw her own conclusions about what types of things a Bible school would teach–as opposed to a seminary.
I’ve never been to either, as I told her, but I’d think a Bible school would focus on learning about the Bible–book by book. A seminary would have a different goal, wouldn’t it?
OC was a Holiness preacher who didn’t have a problem with dispensationalism. I have a problem with dispensationalism–but it never comes up in My Utmost for His Highest that I’ve had trouble with.
I’m not keen on the Holiness movement, either, but it sent Charles and Lettie Cowman to Japan as missionaries and changed peoples lives in that country, Korea and China. Who am I to say they were wrong?
It’s their salvation that’s important; the rest is up to people studying the Bible and having a relationship with Jesus. I can’t possibly know their hearts (or yours) or what God is doing through them.
Do I see fruit?
Ah, isn’t that how I’m supposed to assess another?
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Actually, I’d pray about finding a friend from church with a child about his age to come visit and play. Let him act odd. I often act odd myself.
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Kizzie, I guess what I am trying to tactfully say in my untactful way, is that you are lonely. Underestood, You miss your husband. Understood. You are trying to get your emotional support from your daughters. Understood. And the older one appears to do quite well at balancing her own needs, work, son, and you. But that is a lot. Your younger is still at the age of figuring things out and cannot be helping. She may agree. And it will likely fall through. Which is why we pray for you as well. But perhaps there is a woman or two in church that you could be blessing with a lunch meeting at your house, or a couple hours of chat in the morning, or a time where she comes and helps you clean. Or so many other possibilities.
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Michelle, I understand that we do not always agree with other Christians. But the fruit of the Word of Faith movement is rotten. I fear your inquirer would be sorely disappointed.
Incidentally, I mentioned Capernwray the other day as an option for your inquirer. Capernwray, which is part of the Torchbearers International organization, was founded by Major Ian Thomas, who was, like Oswald Chambers, associated with the Keswick Convention.
My family is doubly connected to Major Ian Thomas and Capernwray. My Jewish uncle, the one who was preserved from the Nazis Holocaust by the Kindertransport, was personally discipled by Major Ian Thomas. My uncle was one of the gentlest and sincerest Christians any of my family ever knew and he was a wonderful pastor. It was that personal connection to Capernwray that led other members of my family, including two of my uncle’s grandsons, to attend Capernwray. The other connection is through a dear friend of my mother’s, a British immigrant to Canada who was once nanny to the Thomas family. So although I too have reservations about the Holiness movement, Capernwray is actually the nearest thing there is to Chambers’ school, although unfortunately, there does not appear to be a Torchbearers school in South Africa: https://torchbearers.org/.
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Kizzie, I know what you mean. Eldest Nephew is like that, not bad (although, like other children, he can be bad), just different. But that is precisely the reason for having more interaction, not less. I have encountered odd young men who never learned to interact properly with others, but lived in their parents’ basement and scared everyone away with how intense they were about their interests and how clueless they were about everything else. But the preventative prescription for that kind of result is to have the somewhat odd children interact with others, not shelter them from outside contact. The Eldests do all they can to encourage Eldest Nephew to come out of his shell, and they accept the fact that he may act a bit different when he is out in public. The other week when they were here, they took him out with his elder sister to the concert that was her birthday present and he enjoyed the experience. Although the band the was playing was not one of his intense interests (and he can be very intense over his interests), participating in the interests of others was a good thing for him.
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I made great efforts to get my son out with others since he was an only child. I was the one less than comfortable socializing with people who could be very different from me and my family. We did church, choir, band, library programs, baseball, gymnastics, Scouts, and 4-H along with lots of camps in the summers. it was all beneficial, but a challenge for me to make it all happen. I felt it was important to seek out good people groups and leaders to influence him. Children need ways to learn to fit in so they don’t feel themselves to be an outsider so much as I have felt myself to be much of my life. If things don’t go well at school they can at least look forward to being with friends at one of their groups.
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Keep in mind, the boy gets lots of socializing with his peers. School, Scouts, sports, camping, swimming, the little girl.
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As you all know, Nightingale has The Boy involved in Cub Scouts, and in various sports most of the year. She also has friends she sees with him in tow, and he plays with their children of various ages, except for when they visit the friend who is childless. Sometimes it seems that they spend more time out and about than they do at home. We have neighbors whom he is familiar with, too,
It is probably more of a matter of me feeling awkward about the whole thing. (And he’s really not “weird” all the time.)
Next week, they are going camping in Maine with Nightingale’s best friend and her daughter, who is a couple years younger than The Boy.
So what I’m saying is that he has plenty of contact with a variety of people of various ages. That is not a problem.
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Oh, hi Mumsee. You chimed in while I was still typing.
Yes, and he has a variety of adults in his life, too.
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I just made the final (I think) changes and additions to my port story. Crazy, loud meeting & I had to go back over my recording of it to flesh out some of the quotes.
Now I’m listening to “Silver Bells,” I have my random loop of songs running on the speaker so it’s always an unexpected surprise.
Now it’s Rod Stewart. 🙂 Before that we had the military band themes, a song from Chorus Line … It’s all very random.
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Ran into one of our former reporters who left to have a baby 2 years ago and is now back working for the LA Biz Journal so she was there covering the meeting as well.
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And our former senior editor is now the port spokesman, saw him too (but we still talk all the time about port stories); and our former photographer who’s now the councilman’s aide (talk to him all the time, too) — it’s kind of like old home week covering some of these things now.
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“Rise Up Shepherd, and Follow” — another Christmas song.
Christmas is coming, you know.
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Yes, it is, DJ.
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Nightingale left for work around 2:40 for an evening shift. Shortly after The Boy and I had finished an early dinner, a little before 5, she texted that there had been a mix-up on the schedule, and another nurse was there to work. So she had worked with her for a little while, and then came home. The Boy was so happy.
I was glad, too, because I had been thinking that with the way her schedule for the next few days goes, and with The Boy’s overnight visit with his dad Friday into Saturday (and her working Saturday night), they would not have any real time together again until Sunday. So I was happy for him that his mommy didn’t have to work tonight after all.
Now they are out on a Pokemon hunt walk. (Or maybe she drove, since it has been rainy today.)
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DJ – I think I’ve mentioned that I’ve already bought the main gifts that I am giving my family for Christmas. 🙂
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Roscuro— after you and another friend suggested Capernwray, I looked it up and added my suggestion. It’s a long way, though, from SA.
JoAnna is checking with missionary friends in SA about their recommendations.
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Oh I am late here today! I was here earlier but had to rush off.
Michele, Andrew Womack is a local guy here. He is actually located in Woodland Park and Colorado Springs. From the description you gave Cheryl I do not believe he is the same guy you are thinking of…I have never heard that he had been in prison.
I will say I would not recommend him nor his ministry. I know people who are “followers” of his and a friend attends his church. I would describe his thinking as “name it claim it”. I did have observations about him during a Pregnancy Center retreat many years ago…he was our guest speaker and let’s just say he was never invited back…..
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Nancy Jill, I doubt this man has been in prison, but I wondered if he was a relative (son or grandson or nephew). I couldn’t find anything by googling.
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