Debra, From last night. The Chinese economy is not a market economy. However, it is also not communism. It is an economy which has some private ownership of business, but with a government that is regularly telling companies what to produce and where to produce it , using carrots and sticks. That sounds familiar.
Free trade increases the purchasing power of American families by an average of $10,000 per year. It also allows entire US industries to remain globally competitive.
Ricky, I’ve read that the Chinese govt has an ownership stake in the businesses there. Do they know they’re not communists?
The last article you you linked to said China can now claim to be a market economy, and since the expiration of WTO provisions, proving otherwise will be much more difficult. That’s troublesome.
But perhaps you’re right, Ricky. If the Chinese (not being communists and all) are poised to eat our lunch economically, perhaps we should take note of their methods. More carrots, more sticks.
Here’s a piece. It’s a couple of years old but the issue is current. Nothing much has changed. And apparently the mixed ownership model has worked for them.
“To most observers, these will appear to be private companies, but they are state controlled entities — and when they are [state controlled] they might as well be state owned,” said Meyer. “It’s a waffle. It’s a compromise between outright privatization to which the conservatives in the party object very strongly and maintaining the present system, which isn’t working very well.”
Debra, The Chinese government does own portions of businesses, sort of like our Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae or when our government owned stock in car companies after bailouts.
Both government ownership of business or interference by communists or Trump is best avoided.
The power of free trade is reveals by:
1. The billion and a half people raised out of extreme poverty by free trade.
2. The $10,000 in extra purchasing power given to each American family because of lower prices; and
3. The tremendous growth that China has experienced despite not having a market economy.
Tychicus, they just seem to make it up as they go along.
The Hill also reports Megyn Kelly may go to CNN. They’re using Drudge as a source, but I thought he was just an aggregator. Not that I care a bit, but I thought she would fit in with The View, and be an improvement.
The comparison of a discrete auto manufacturing bailout to China’s ongoing, participatory ownership is specious. Fanny/Freddie stretches the point less I think. We don’t seem to do communism well here. Maybe we’re just not trying hard enough.
Apparently we have much to learn from China. A country that is able to zoom to the top of the world market, develop its own world bank and attract the support of the industrialized powers on the planet deserves some respectful attention.
What do they have in their back pocket that we don’t have? Answer: Us.
I almost feel sorry for liberals right now, they’re in complete shock after 8 years of being in charge w/Obama, with progressive social causes so much in ascendance. This has all got to be a brutal awakening for them.
Maybe time to put aside all the bathroom / transgender wars and put more focus on the struggling working class (a voting block that they once owned)?
Debra, It was trade that raised hundreds of millions of Chinese out of abject poverty just as it was trade that lifted hundreds of millions of other Asians and Latin Americans out of poverty.
However, by definition trade helps both sides. When I go to Walmart I can buy food, clothes, electronic equipment and other consumer goods at much lower relative prices than my parents and grandparents paid. That is the $10,000 of purchasing power given by trade to each American family.
Take away free trade and each American family gets a $850 per month pay cut. Take away free trade and millions of Americans lose their jobs which are directly connected to imports or exports. Other millions in industries such as the auto industry would also be unemployed because US cars are only competitive on the world market because of imported components.
Why did the US prosper during the Clinton Administration? He raised taxes and took other actions which were anti-business. NAFTA did more good than all Clinton’s liberal policies did harm.
I had hoped that losing this election to someone like Trump would serve to Democrats out of the sugar-like coma they’ve been enjoying for the last few years (because we really *do* need at least 2 healthy, vibrant parties to make this mess sort of work). But I think they have latched on to the new cause for their defeat: the Russians made us do it. That, of course, is in addition to Comey and the ever reliable Republican racist, sexist, whatever-ist, Deplorables.
According to the NYT, new information suggests the Russians not only hacked the DNC, but they hacked the RNC as well. They just didn’t release the RNC’s dirt. Yet. Wonder when that will come…
Debra, It is easy to say that China is communist and the US practices free enterprise, but is that true?
1. Healthcare is almost 20% of the US economy and it is largely funded and heavily regulated by government.
2. Education is probably the second biggest “industry”. Primary education is overwhelmingly a government enterprise and higher education is increasingly controlled and subsidized by government.
3. The government regulates the energy industry in thousands of ways to promote inefficient production of energy.
4. Who pays for the food eaten by a huge percentage of Americans? The federal government.
5. Who owns the majority of federal lands? The federal government.
6. Does anyone think the financial industry is governed by a free market?
7. Housing and transportation are heavily controlled and subsidized by the federal government.
8. Why could Trump intimidate Carrier? Its parent company makes millions from federal contracts.
I have no doubt the Russians tried to help Trump, and the Wikileaks stuff on Hillary came out as steadily as Trump’s self-inflicted wounds. However, it is my understanding that the “basket of deplorable comment” that really caused Hillary’s numbers to drop.
I think prayer may have made a difference. It was a very near thing. He had to win at least one of those three Midwestern states. Most of my friends were praying for the country. As strange as it seemed to me, many were praying for Trump.
“Requiring employees in the United States to speak a foreign language is not discriminatory but forcing them to speak English violates federal law under a sweeping order issued by the Obama administration to crack down on “national origin discrimination” in the workplace. The government’s new enforcement guidelines state that bilingual requirements don’t meet discrimination claims under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act but English-only rules do because they’re restrictive language policies.
The administration asserts that the new rules, which cover a broad range of scenarios that could get employers in trouble, were created because the American workforce is “increasingly ethnically diverse.” The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the federal agency that enforces the nation’s workplace discrimination laws, made them public a few days ago. “The increased cultural diversity of today’s workplaces presents new and evolving issues with respect to Title VII’s protection against national origin discrimination,” the agency writes in the lengthy document. “This enforcement guidance will assist EEOC staff in their investigation of national origin discrimination charges and provide information for applicants, employees, and employers to understand their respective rights and responsibilities under Title VII.”
Two years ago, the administration laid the foundation for the new measures by suing a private American business for discriminating against Hispanic and Asian employees because they didn’t speak English on the job. The case involved a Green Bay Wisconsin metal and plastic manufacturer that fired a group of Hmong and Hispanic workers over their English skills. Forcing employees to speak English in the U.S. violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the EEOC claimed in its lawsuit. That’s because the Civil Rights Act protects employees from discrimination based on national origin, which includes the linguistic characteristics of a national origin group. Therefore, the EEOC argued, foreigners have the right to speak their native language even during work hours at an American company that requires English.
Now the agency has created official federal rules to support this absurd theory as well as other innovative discrimination categories, including “multiple protected bases.” This is a seldom recognized but potent Molotov cocktail of prejudice based on race, color and religion. As an example, the new rules mention discrimination against Middle Easterners perceived to “follow particular religious practices.” Among the amusing hypotheticals embedded in the rules is an Egyptian named Thomas who alleges he was harassed by his coworkers about his Arab ethnicity and Islam. “Thomas’ charge should assert national origin, race and religious discrimination,” the EEOC writes, referring to its new “multiple protected bases” category. The agency reassures that it will protect Middle Easterners, stating that “Title VII prohibits employment discrimination based on the perception that someone is from the Middle East or is of Arab ethnicity, regardless of how she identifies herself or whether she is, in fact, from one or more Middle Eastern countries or ethnically Arab.””
AJ, years ago my husband worked on an application for the public schools in a sanctuary city. At first they wanted it in 43 languages because that was how many different languages were the primary language spoken in the students’ homes. He said he would do one language. They haggled back and forth and in the end, he did 2: English and Spanish. That’s for a city about the size of Chattanooga.
Language is a fundamental unifying factor for any country. We should have one.
@3:24 Ricky, I have no doubt at all that you are correct that prayer played a real role in the election. Many people here were praying for him, for the elections, and for the country. Trump is a capable man, but I didn’t see anything in his campaign to make me think he was able to pull it off himself. He was not well organized on the ground. People came to see him by the thousands, but the Republican party was cool toward him, and what support he got from them was grudgingly given for the most part. Many Republicans actively vilified him, so the odds did not look good. But when the Divine decides to put a finger on the scale, there’s no overcoming that.
So here we are. What,s next? I guess we’d better keep praying. :–)
Everybody’s talking about the possibility of the Russians influencing the elections. but they aren’t telling us how.
The polling booths are not on the internet and not susceptible to hacking. And no one seems to be claiming that they are.
Some people mention Wikileaks. If the Russians got information from their computers, that means that their computers are not secure. Then it’s their fault.
And no one has disputed the facts of the accusations.
Debra, above, mentioned the Divine finger on the scale. Maybe He put Hillary there. Everyone I talked with voted against Hillary, not FOR Trump.
Andrew McCarthy is becoming one of my favorite writers at National Review. Though a conservative NeverTrumper, he did write an article in defense of Trump voters right before the election. Today, he is happy about the Transition:
Ricky, I made a big mistake. I followed that tweet of yours to Mother Jones and fell into a story about private prisons in the US. “My Four Months as a Prison Guard” was very engrossing, but sad. The prison is dangerously understaffed. So many people are left behind, and without much hope.
This was an interesting opinion piece in the Washington Times. I don’t know a great deal about the Voice of America, although I’ve heard of it. But I had never heard of America’s Persian News Network. Apparently it’s operating as a propaganda arm of Obama’s administration to Iran. And the people running it seem to be unhinged Democrats (not hard to find those since the election.)
If you had been listening to the Voice of America’s Persian News Network (PNN) in the weeks and months before the U.S. presidential elections, you would easily have believed that Donald Trump was a white supremacist in league with the Ku Klux Klan who raped underage girls, and that Hillary Clinton was a shoe-in to become president.
Sure, you would have had the same impression watching MSNBC or CNN (since merged into the DNC). But there’s a big difference: your tax dollars paid for the propaganda on the Voice of America.
So certain was the director of the VOA’s Persian Service, Setareh Derakhshesh, that Hillary Clinton was about to become president that she tasked reporters two weeks ahead of time to prepare a special program lionizing the Democratic “president-elect.” No such program was prepared on Donald Trump.
When Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chair, John Podesta, told supporters at 2 a.m. in Chicago to “go home,” PNN reporters obediently went home as well and the Persian service went off air, instead of broadcasting the real president-elect’s acceptance speech.
The US government can no longer build rockets, it can’t build a website, it can’t care for our veterans. I guess it can’t operate a radio station. I would shut that thing down.
“Democrats resort to muffin therapy and ‘Trump survival guides’ for their post-election grief”
A certain segment of the nation now suffers from “post-election grief,” inspiring one therapist to write an essay for National Public Radio suggesting that distraught people would benefit from baking muffins in the “sanctuary” of their kitchen. Jean Fain, a Harvard Medical School-affiliated psychotherapist, even supplied a “Hillary muffin” recipe that includes bananas, applesauce, oatmeal, hazelnuts and chocolate chips — noting that “muffin making as a meditative practice is a reliable source of comfort and hope.” Well, OK.
Now along comes Publishers Weekly, the major industry guide in the books realm, with a report that at least three major book publishers are now rushing out serious books to help Democrats cope with President-elect Donald Trump’s victory. And yes, one is actually called “The Trump Survival Guide: Everything You Need to Know About Living Through What You Hoped Would Never Happen,” described by publisher HarperCollins as “a serious call to action for all anti-Trump dissenters,” and “people looking for answers.”
Wandering Views 
Debra, From last night. The Chinese economy is not a market economy. However, it is also not communism. It is an economy which has some private ownership of business, but with a government that is regularly telling companies what to produce and where to produce it , using carrots and sticks. That sounds familiar.
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Free trade increases the purchasing power of American families by an average of $10,000 per year. It also allows entire US industries to remain globally competitive.
http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/trump-should-tread-softly-on-his-new-trade-agenda/
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Ricky, I’ve read that the Chinese govt has an ownership stake in the businesses there. Do they know they’re not communists?
The last article you you linked to said China can now claim to be a market economy, and since the expiration of WTO provisions, proving otherwise will be much more difficult. That’s troublesome.
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But perhaps you’re right, Ricky. If the Chinese (not being communists and all) are poised to eat our lunch economically, perhaps we should take note of their methods. More carrots, more sticks.
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Here’s a piece. It’s a couple of years old but the issue is current. Nothing much has changed. And apparently the mixed ownership model has worked for them.
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/will-chinas-mixed-ownership-enterprise-model-work/
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Here is an excerpt from the above link:
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/will-chinas-mixed-ownership-enterprise-model-work/
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Debra, The Chinese government does own portions of businesses, sort of like our Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae or when our government owned stock in car companies after bailouts.
Both government ownership of business or interference by communists or Trump is best avoided.
The power of free trade is reveals by:
1. The billion and a half people raised out of extreme poverty by free trade.
2. The $10,000 in extra purchasing power given to each American family because of lower prices; and
3. The tremendous growth that China has experienced despite not having a market economy.
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More fake news, courtesy of good ole, dependable MSNBC.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/309763-msnbc-anchor-apologizes-over-false-statement-about-fox
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Tychicus, they just seem to make it up as they go along.
The Hill also reports Megyn Kelly may go to CNN. They’re using Drudge as a source, but I thought he was just an aggregator. Not that I care a bit, but I thought she would fit in with The View, and be an improvement.
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The comparison of a discrete auto manufacturing bailout to China’s ongoing, participatory ownership is specious. Fanny/Freddie stretches the point less I think. We don’t seem to do communism well here. Maybe we’re just not trying hard enough.
Apparently we have much to learn from China. A country that is able to zoom to the top of the world market, develop its own world bank and attract the support of the industrialized powers on the planet deserves some respectful attention.
What do they have in their back pocket that we don’t have? Answer: Us.
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I’d heard that about Kelly going to CNN as well, it would be logical move for her and could help them as well.
Meanwhile, another possible appt that might bother liberals (a lot)?
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/rex-tillerson-exxon-mobil-expected-be-named-trump-s-secretary-n694371
I almost feel sorry for liberals right now, they’re in complete shock after 8 years of being in charge w/Obama, with progressive social causes so much in ascendance. This has all got to be a brutal awakening for them.
Maybe time to put aside all the bathroom / transgender wars and put more focus on the struggling working class (a voting block that they once owned)?
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Debra, It was trade that raised hundreds of millions of Chinese out of abject poverty just as it was trade that lifted hundreds of millions of other Asians and Latin Americans out of poverty.
However, by definition trade helps both sides. When I go to Walmart I can buy food, clothes, electronic equipment and other consumer goods at much lower relative prices than my parents and grandparents paid. That is the $10,000 of purchasing power given by trade to each American family.
Take away free trade and each American family gets a $850 per month pay cut. Take away free trade and millions of Americans lose their jobs which are directly connected to imports or exports. Other millions in industries such as the auto industry would also be unemployed because US cars are only competitive on the world market because of imported components.
Why did the US prosper during the Clinton Administration? He raised taxes and took other actions which were anti-business. NAFTA did more good than all Clinton’s liberal policies did harm.
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I had hoped that losing this election to someone like Trump would serve to Democrats out of the sugar-like coma they’ve been enjoying for the last few years (because we really *do* need at least 2 healthy, vibrant parties to make this mess sort of work). But I think they have latched on to the new cause for their defeat: the Russians made us do it. That, of course, is in addition to Comey and the ever reliable Republican racist, sexist, whatever-ist, Deplorables.
According to the NYT, new information suggests the Russians not only hacked the DNC, but they hacked the RNC as well. They just didn’t release the RNC’s dirt. Yet. Wonder when that will come…
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Debra, It is easy to say that China is communist and the US practices free enterprise, but is that true?
1. Healthcare is almost 20% of the US economy and it is largely funded and heavily regulated by government.
2. Education is probably the second biggest “industry”. Primary education is overwhelmingly a government enterprise and higher education is increasingly controlled and subsidized by government.
3. The government regulates the energy industry in thousands of ways to promote inefficient production of energy.
4. Who pays for the food eaten by a huge percentage of Americans? The federal government.
5. Who owns the majority of federal lands? The federal government.
6. Does anyone think the financial industry is governed by a free market?
7. Housing and transportation are heavily controlled and subsidized by the federal government.
8. Why could Trump intimidate Carrier? Its parent company makes millions from federal contracts.
We are not all that different from China.
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Wow. That never happened before. I just copied the link and the whole thing appeared. I guess the NYT really wants the word out. :eyeroll:
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Sorry. “Federal lands” on 5 should be “Western lands”.
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The Democrats refuse to admit that they nominated an absolutely horrible candidate.
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And that maybe they’d lost touch with the common man and woman? Too busy forcing progressive cultural agendas
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They assumed everyone was (or could be forced to get) on board
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I have no doubt the Russians tried to help Trump, and the Wikileaks stuff on Hillary came out as steadily as Trump’s self-inflicted wounds. However, it is my understanding that the “basket of deplorable comment” that really caused Hillary’s numbers to drop.
I think prayer may have made a difference. It was a very near thing. He had to win at least one of those three Midwestern states. Most of my friends were praying for the country. As strange as it seemed to me, many were praying for Trump.
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And yet another ridiculous regulation to undo.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/12/u-s-workplace-english-rules-discriminatory-foreign-language-demands-arent/
“Requiring employees in the United States to speak a foreign language is not discriminatory but forcing them to speak English violates federal law under a sweeping order issued by the Obama administration to crack down on “national origin discrimination” in the workplace. The government’s new enforcement guidelines state that bilingual requirements don’t meet discrimination claims under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act but English-only rules do because they’re restrictive language policies.
The administration asserts that the new rules, which cover a broad range of scenarios that could get employers in trouble, were created because the American workforce is “increasingly ethnically diverse.” The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the federal agency that enforces the nation’s workplace discrimination laws, made them public a few days ago. “The increased cultural diversity of today’s workplaces presents new and evolving issues with respect to Title VII’s protection against national origin discrimination,” the agency writes in the lengthy document. “This enforcement guidance will assist EEOC staff in their investigation of national origin discrimination charges and provide information for applicants, employees, and employers to understand their respective rights and responsibilities under Title VII.”
Two years ago, the administration laid the foundation for the new measures by suing a private American business for discriminating against Hispanic and Asian employees because they didn’t speak English on the job. The case involved a Green Bay Wisconsin metal and plastic manufacturer that fired a group of Hmong and Hispanic workers over their English skills. Forcing employees to speak English in the U.S. violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the EEOC claimed in its lawsuit. That’s because the Civil Rights Act protects employees from discrimination based on national origin, which includes the linguistic characteristics of a national origin group. Therefore, the EEOC argued, foreigners have the right to speak their native language even during work hours at an American company that requires English.
Now the agency has created official federal rules to support this absurd theory as well as other innovative discrimination categories, including “multiple protected bases.” This is a seldom recognized but potent Molotov cocktail of prejudice based on race, color and religion. As an example, the new rules mention discrimination against Middle Easterners perceived to “follow particular religious practices.” Among the amusing hypotheticals embedded in the rules is an Egyptian named Thomas who alleges he was harassed by his coworkers about his Arab ethnicity and Islam. “Thomas’ charge should assert national origin, race and religious discrimination,” the EEOC writes, referring to its new “multiple protected bases” category. The agency reassures that it will protect Middle Easterners, stating that “Title VII prohibits employment discrimination based on the perception that someone is from the Middle East or is of Arab ethnicity, regardless of how she identifies herself or whether she is, in fact, from one or more Middle Eastern countries or ethnically Arab.””
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DJ, It is not a book, but here is a lengthy analysis of the election:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/2016-presidential-election-10-moments-trump-clinton-214508
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AJ, years ago my husband worked on an application for the public schools in a sanctuary city. At first they wanted it in 43 languages because that was how many different languages were the primary language spoken in the students’ homes. He said he would do one language. They haggled back and forth and in the end, he did 2: English and Spanish. That’s for a city about the size of Chattanooga.
Language is a fundamental unifying factor for any country. We should have one.
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@3:24 Ricky, I have no doubt at all that you are correct that prayer played a real role in the election. Many people here were praying for him, for the elections, and for the country. Trump is a capable man, but I didn’t see anything in his campaign to make me think he was able to pull it off himself. He was not well organized on the ground. People came to see him by the thousands, but the Republican party was cool toward him, and what support he got from them was grudgingly given for the most part. Many Republicans actively vilified him, so the odds did not look good. But when the Divine decides to put a finger on the scale, there’s no overcoming that.
So here we are. What,s next? I guess we’d better keep praying. :–)
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Everybody’s talking about the possibility of the Russians influencing the elections. but they aren’t telling us how.
The polling booths are not on the internet and not susceptible to hacking. And no one seems to be claiming that they are.
Some people mention Wikileaks. If the Russians got information from their computers, that means that their computers are not secure. Then it’s their fault.
And no one has disputed the facts of the accusations.
Debra, above, mentioned the Divine finger on the scale. Maybe He put Hillary there. Everyone I talked with voted against Hillary, not FOR Trump.
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Andrew McCarthy is becoming one of my favorite writers at National Review. Though a conservative NeverTrumper, he did write an article in defense of Trump voters right before the election. Today, he is happy about the Transition:
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No more machines! Bring back all those manufacturing jobs!
https://twitter.com/kevinnr/status/808043203958099968
It is going to be a fun four years.
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Ricky, I made a big mistake. I followed that tweet of yours to Mother Jones and fell into a story about private prisons in the US. “My Four Months as a Prison Guard” was very engrossing, but sad. The prison is dangerously understaffed. So many people are left behind, and without much hope.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer
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This was an interesting opinion piece in the Washington Times. I don’t know a great deal about the Voice of America, although I’ve heard of it. But I had never heard of America’s Persian News Network. Apparently it’s operating as a propaganda arm of Obama’s administration to Iran. And the people running it seem to be unhinged Democrats (not hard to find those since the election.)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/11/the-persian-news-nightmare/
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The US government can no longer build rockets, it can’t build a website, it can’t care for our veterans. I guess it can’t operate a radio station. I would shut that thing down.
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This one’s too delicious…literally:
“Democrats resort to muffin therapy and ‘Trump survival guides’ for their post-election grief”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/11/postelection-grief-try-muffin-therapy/
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Are we still a world power?
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Debra,
USA, yes.
Obama, no.
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