So? California is going to secede from the Union. Good riddance!
I would like to see a map of the California vote. I’ll bet it’s mostly red by areal with a blue San Francisco, LA, etc. The red counties will carry the blue.
The blue can’t exist without the red.
Somebody has to do the work.
I Googled “California election map” and I noticed that it is about 50/50 in area for red and blue.
Of course, Blue has the cities. And the collages.
Again. A blue California can’t exist without the Red.
The left were so worried about violence and riots if Trump lost. But once again they were just projecting. We can clearly see now who the real sore losers are.
What I see on TV and the internet is a bunch of whiny brats, illegal aliens, BLM racists, and of course, their Democrat handlers (like MoveON, who orchestrated these “protests”) throwing hissy fits because they lost. So yeah, the usual suspects, doing exactly what I’d expect from them. If nothing else, they’re predictable. Sad.
From “Heatstreet” whatever that is. Via Drudge:
Bad news for anyone looking to relocate to our neighbor to the north after last night’s election results: Canada doesn’t want you.
After Americans—and especially American celebrities—began considering making good on their promises to “move to Canada” in the wake of Donald Trump election victory, Canadians took to Twitter to warn Americans that they’d best stay where they are.
Front page headline here: “Many in county in despair after vote.”
Yesterday, only a quarter of the regulars were in Zumba. I was told, “it was grim, but the leader got through it.”
This morning no one talked much and, unfortunately, one of the two men mentioned the election and got a warning, “I hope you are kidding.” Not good. I left early.
If I was a mastermind (novelist speaking here), this outcome, particularly with the loser getting more of the popular vote could set up real problems– which is the rioting in the streets.
We must continue to pray–there is still plenty of trouble afoot. 😦
And I left early lest I say something that could be so easily misconstrued in these times, and lose all the goodwill I have worked hard to obtain for the sake of God. 😦
It’s a good reminder to me to keep the attitude of my heart open to God’s direction and keep my opinions to myself.
Well, my husband mentioned the election to his doctor yesterday morning (without mentioning who we did or didn’t vote for–which was nobody), and the doctor said, “Wasn’t that a miracle?” And it occurred to me that yes, doctors were probably one group that as a huge proportion went for Trump, simply for the chance of repealing Obamacare.
Good piece (with apologies to Donna) on the journalists just not getting it. He also links to a good one written during the election cycle that I will link separately: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/ “Journalists love mocking Trump supporters. We insult their appearances. We dismiss them as racists and sexists. We emote on Twitter about how this or that comment or policy makes us feel one way or the other, and yet we reject their feelings as invalid.”
2 past administrations to keep in mind: Hoover and Harding.
Hoover was the better man and as well intentioned as Carter, not to mention brilliant and an excellent businessman.
Another thing to consider, for many women my age and older, it’s not just missing a woman president, it’s losing to the nightmare many have faced their entire lives. I’m totally sympathetic to that. No joke. Steer completely away from politics with women right now.
When I went to bed last night I saw on the local evening news that the 101/Hollywood Freeway in downtown was being swarmed and blocked.
I agree that if the popular vote (I’m not sure that’s completely been counted and verified yet?) goes to Clinton, no matter by how marginally, there will be issues. I worry when I hear talk about Republicans having a “mandate,” I’d tread softly on that notion, at least publicly, for now.
I expect a very rocky time ahead, overall.
The liberals I know are quite outraged, believing Trump is dangerous. Some people also are afraid — one of my good friends (a Republican who voted for Clinton) is worried for her in-laws who are Muslims from Bangladesh and who, somehow, have an immigration snag in all their paperwork that they never can seem to clear up (their lawyer messed up early on, she told me) despite having been here for many years now. They and she are worried they’ll just get deported now under Trump, apparently the parents have been told they will have to leave the country in the past.
I suggested there is more concern simply about securing the borders now and for the future as opposed to hunting down regular, longstanding, law-abiding immigrants (with no criminal records) for “deportation,” which I doubt will really happen. But I understand the nervousness on my friend’s part (these are the parents and family of her son-in-law, they all live together with her daughter & their 3 small children in the same home).
It will be a delicate time ahead and tone will matter.
I have a confession to make and I am quite embarrassed about it.
After refusing to watch anything or read much of anything leading up to this election…hangs head shamefully…I have been consumed the past two days reading the “post mortems”, the mea culpas, how the press missed it.
I finally told my gay LA friend last night that I promised the Nazis weren’t coming to haul him off with the train loads to the conversion camps. He blew up at me so my final remark was that I loved him and if anyone came for him I have guns, know how to use them and will die protecting him. Yes. It was a big dramatic, but he was being a drama queen and sometimes you have to fight drama with drama. It was sort of like critiquing BG’s temper tantrums when she was a toddler. “No, Baby, you have to lie on the floor kicking your feet. Here, honey, want mama to show you how?”
Michelle, has he actually announced any names yet? I’m seeing only speculation, but may have missed some announcements.
A woman president means absolutely nothing to me–less than nothing, actually. While I think Margaret Thatcher was an excellent leader, I think it would be very hard in America to find that perfect mix of strength and gentleness. I definitely wouldn’t vote against a good candidate because she’s a woman, but being a woman adds no points. Trump’s relation to women was a most definite “no” to me, though, and one of several reasons I wasn’t willing to vote for him even to keep out Hillary. But Hillary as fellow woman held absolutely no hint of desire to see her win. As much as I hated to see Obama win, I felt just a little hint of the sense of “black man as president = good thing.” (I don’t see Obama as really black. His father was African, his mother white, and he has had limited cultural interaction with black people. So basically he’s just an elite American man with dark skin.) I sympathized with that one. I understand just a little bit that some women want to see a woman as president, but I don’t feel that at all, and I wouldn’t have felt the tiniest smidgen of “wow, we got a woman” if she had gotten in. I think she truly loves Chelsea and her grandchildren, but that’s about it as far as my sense that she is a fellow woman. She is not feminine, and what strength she has is not feminine strength. And she is wicked, with much blood on her hands. I was happy as she finished her speech to know she was walking off the world stage for good.
I don’t know when we started talking about whether or not a win was a “mandate.” A president has constitutional authority, and limits to constitutional authority, no matter how strong or weak his win. The popular vote is irrelevant, and should be treated as such. Our founders deliberately set up a system so that a president would preside over all the states, not just the populous ones. The electoral college was a brilliant way to do that. If Trump as any sort of “mandate” it is not by the win, but by the fact that briefly all three houses are Republican. If they can act in unity, they can accomplish some things. I am on record as doubting Trump’s conservative credentials, but this is a time they can act and get some things done. Take the balance of power back to more constitutional limits, for example. I’m not going to hold my breath that it will happen.
Kim. One of the unintended consequences of the election is that when “experts” give their analysis, you are a bit more skeptical than before. The same people who told us how it was going to be before are telling us how it will be now.
Not a mandate, whatever that is.
The turnout was extremely low. Lots of people wanted nothing to do with this.
The people who didn’t like Hillary were more than those who feared Trump.
That’s Chas’ expert analysis.
I remember Obama’s remark in ’08 about whether they had a mandate or not, he said something like “Elections have consequences. We won.”
OK, fine, but ouch and that sure chafed against the loyal opposition at the time. It didn’t help. Probably best to stay clear of some of that “WE WON – better look out” verbiage especially in a country so on edge and so evenly divided.
I worry, though, that with the White House & both houses of Congress there could be the urge for overreach.
I suspect Trump will be somewhat “more” conservative than Clinton in his appointments and decisions, but not a steady conservative that many would have preferred. I am hoping his skills as a businessman and negotiator can be used to help navigate through the first couple years without too much outrage and blowback. I don’t have a problem with his using restraint when it serves the larger purpose of good governing and I think a sincere effort to reach across the aisle when at all possible would be a positive.
I hope he grows up — a lot — and can quickly drop the adolescent taunting tendency. 😦
Cheryl, yes, many in the media are baffled by it all and, I think, are misreading “what it all means.” Many view it as a sign that racism and sexism is alive far beyond what they thought.
That’s a misreading, of course, and I’m hoping for a more thoughtful, nuanced approach as everyone settles down. But we’ll see.
Ugly aftermath: Liberal media types savage Trump, his supporters and the press for upset victory
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Jamelle Bouie, an African-American and a top political writer for Slate, tweeted: “I didn’t quite understand how much white people hated us, or could at least live with that hate. Now I do.” …
… Now let me say that I understand passions are running high in the wake of a bitter and divisive election. Donald Trump said things during the campaign that many people understandably found offensive. And since Tuesday morning began with the widespread expectation that Hillary Clinton would become the first woman to win the White House, I understand the crushing disappointment for those commentators who were sympathetic to her cause.
But the vitriol is deeply unattractive—and goes to the heart of why the media misjudged Trump, and his supporters, for a year and a half. …
… To dump on the people who back Trump as a bunch of dumb, racist yahoos is to say that they’re simply too idiotic and prejudiced to vote in their own self-interest, unlike we the media, who know what’s best for them.
Instead we have commentators and media outlets on the left doubling and tripling down. The Huffington Post, which embarrassed itself by long relegating Trump to the entertainment section, started with this headline: “Nightmare: President Trump.” Followed by “Mourning in America.” Although the website now plans to drop the editor’s note on every story declaring Trump to be a racist, sexist xenophobe. …
… Others played up the racial angle. Van Jones, a CNN commentator who once served in the Obama White House, called Trump’s win “a white-lash against a black president.” President Obama, though, was not on the ballot.
Still others played the sexism card. Salon called Hillary’s loss “The Misogyny Apocalypse…It was unimaginable that America would self-destruct rather than elect a female president.”
… Back in 1968, the Washington Post cartoonist Herblock made a decision when Richard Nixon, whom he had always portrayed as a sinister-looking guy with a 5 o’clock shadow, won the election. He declared that he gave every new president a clean shave, and Nixon’s stubble vanished.
As the country prepares for the next four years, Trump’s liberal critics—while obviously entitled to battle the 45th president–might show a similar graciousness.
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Cheryl, read the first link you left — and would agree with much of it, sadly. My editor would, too — he’s hoping this will prompt the media as a whole to take a closer look at itself and its assumptions, but I don’t really see that happening.
He also despairs (as do I) at how many journalists we know and have worked with are so openly political on social media, not hesitating to plaster their personal political views publicly. One former reporter of ours, who now works for a local news TV station, was posting frequently throughout election night, things about how she could not stop “shaking” in fear about what was happing. Really?
I survived the ’08 election when Obama was openly (and unprofessionally) cheered & revered in the newsroom (we had a lot more people back then), it wasn’t like anything I’d ever seen before in my career. I was stunned, actually, and lodged a quiet complaint to my bosses about it afterward. The one editor agreed with my concerns.
And yes, there has been a smug looking-down on Trump and his supporters throughout the campaign, a ready willingness to chalk it all up to racism and ignorance that must be somehow corrected (by the media). 😦
I don’t know how that gets effectively addressed within the industry until there’s a humble acknowledgment widespread enough that something’s wrong with our lens.
You can’t tell them that right now. They think he hates them and you can’t change their minds. It’s Pence they are worried about. I have refrained from the comment about the Vice Presidency being about as useless as a bucket of warm spit.
Found this (quoted in part) from a union leader in my inbox today:
“Had it not been for the Electoral College, at this moment we would be discussing the plans for the incoming Hillary Clinton administration. That’s right. She actually won the popular vote. Thus, once again, that institution created by the founding slave owners has risen from the grave and prevented our exit from the cemetery. …”
And on it will go.
And remember, too, that in every newsroom there are reporters and editors like me and my editor — we’re in a minority in most newsrooms, but “the media” is not a monolith. The industry as a whole, however, has some soul searching to do in my view.
That’s why I often feel for reporters having to cover a Trump rally where they’re lambasted, booed and jeered. It can be a scary feeling and many of these people are just there to do a job (that often isn’t that well paid to boot).
Regarding the turnout, I found a web site, electproject.org, that calculates the percentage of people who voted out of everyone eligible to vote (whether actually registered or not). They’re estimating this year at 56%, lower than 2004, 2008, or 2012.
Being one of the people who got it wrong by being taken by surprise at Donald Trump’s election, perhaps I can justify, in a small way, the wicked kick I am getting at the reaction of the experts who just cannot get their minds around Trump’s election. I’ll give you a sampling after the jump. …
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Looked up my community & neighborhood (which is shown on the general map as solid blue) to see how we voted — 31% in my precinct voted for Trump, actually more than I would have thought.
It is interesting that the last four candidates would have been the first woman (Clinton), or the first Jew (Sanders) or the first Hispanic (Cruz) or Trump and we got Trump.
Joint Statement from California Legislative Leaders on Result of Presidential Election
Wednesday, November 09, 2016
SACRAMENTO – California Senate President pro Tempore Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) and California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount) released the following statement on the results of the President election:
Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California.
We have never been more proud to be Californians.
By a margin in the millions, Californians overwhelmingly rejected politics fueled by resentment, bigotry, and misogyny.
The largest state of the union and the strongest driver of our nation’s economy has shown it has its surest conscience as well.
California is – and must always be – a refuge of justice and opportunity for people of all walks, talks, ages and aspirations – regardless of how you look, where you live, what language you speak, or who you love.
California has long set an example for other states to follow. And California will defend its people and our progress. We are not going to allow one election to reverse generations of progress at the height of our historic diversity, scientific advancement, economic output, and sense of global responsibility.
We will be reaching out to federal, state and local officials to evaluate how a Trump Presidency will potentially impact federal funding of ongoing state programs, job-creating investments reliant on foreign trade, and federal enforcement of laws affecting the rights of people living in our state. We will maximize the time during the presidential transition to defend our accomplishments using every tool at our disposal.
While Donald Trump may have won the presidency, he hasn’t changed our values. America is greater than any one man or party. We will not be dragged back into the past. We will lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our Constitution.
California was not a part of this nation when its history began, but we are clearly now the keeper of its future.
“America died on Nov. 8, 2016, not with a bang or a whimper, but at its own hand via electoral suicide. We the people chose a man who has shredded our values, our morals, our compassion, our tolerance, our decency, our sense of common purpose, our very identity — all the things that, however tenuously, made a nation out of a country.” – Neal Gabler
Has anyone said that gay people have to be hauled off to therapy or shot? Has anyone burned down an Hispanic neighborhood? Has anyone been forced to renounce their religion?
I am speechless that a state government would take this action two days after an election. One man does not hold that much power in the United States because have have split the power between three branches.
Calm down people. Take a deep breath and get a dose of Drama Mine
Elton John and his longtime boyfriend, David Furnish, entered a civil partnership on Dec. 21, 2005, in England under a law the country had just enacted granting recognition to same-sex couples. The congratulations poured in as the two men appeared at a joyous ceremony at Windsor Guildhall, amid a crush of paparazzi. Donald J. Trump, who had known the couple for years, took to his blog to express his excitement.
“I know both of them, and they get along wonderfully. It’s a marriage that’s going to work,” Mr. Trump wrote, adding: “I’m very happy for them. If two people dig each other, they dig each other.”
Mr. Trump is now the leading candidate for president in the Republican primary, which has traditionally been dominated by hopefuls eager to show how deeply conservative they are on social issues like gay rights and marriage.
But Mr. Trump is far more accepting of sexual minorities than his party’s leaders have been. On Thursday, he startled some Republicans by saying on NBC’s “Today” show that he opposed a recently passed North Carolina law that prohibits people from using public bathrooms that do not correspond to the gender they were born with, striking down a Charlotte ordinance. …
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But it is his views on gay rights and gay people that most distinguish Mr. Trump from previous Republican standard-bearers. He has nurtured long friendships with gay people, employed gay workers in prominent positions, and moved with ease in industries where gays have long exerted influence, like entertainment.
“He will be the most gay-friendly Republican nominee for president ever,” said Gregory T. Angelo, the president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a group that supports gay rights. …
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That’s gutsy. They’re bonkers, but gutsy. I have often wondered what would have happened if Tennessee had just told the federal government what to do with their federal highway funds in the ’60s when the federal government told us we could no longer say the 100 Psalm in school.
Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all ye lands.
Serve the Lord with gladness,
Come before His presence with singing.
Know ye that the Lord He is God
It is He that hath made us, and not we ourselves.
We are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
Enter into His gates with thanksgiving,
And into His courts with praise.
Be thankful to Him and bless His Name.
For the Lord is good.
His mercy is Everlasting.
And His truth endureth to all generations.
I didn’t understand how this could be so offensive at the time (I was in the third grade), but I can see now why this would be such an impediment to the forces that rule the earth. It would be hard for them to do what they’re doing if they had to acknowledge that it is He that has made us and not we ourselves.
I am just astounded. There is a protest (peaceful) rally in Mobile on Saturday to protest the Trump presidency. For crying out loud people he hasn’t even taken office. You can’t change the vote now. Get over and BE the change you want to see. Heal America. Do nice things for each other. I CANNOT believe this is what we are.
Fair warning there is horribly offensive language in this link. I was reading it earlier today when my computer restarted and I couldn’t fine it again. One of my “good Baptist” (BG’s godmother) just posted it on FB.
Donna, that 4:02 is laugh-put-loud hilarious. Maybe California can become its own nation and be an honorable example to the rest of us? (Psst: take Oregon and Washington with you, please.)
You’d think the people who are protesting don’t understand how elections work. Kinda funny, though . . . the Democrats (Kaine) after waiting till the next morning to do a concession speech made a snide comment about how the other guys wouldn’t accept the results of an election. And after all sorts of warning that if Hillary wins, expect rioting from those vicious supporters, now, when Trump wins, we get . . . what?
I’d be interested to know what percentage of the rioters even voted at all.
Sorry, people. Your mommy and daddy may have bought you that candy bar if you threw yourself down on the floor and had a fit insisting on it, but in real life, the person who is elected is allowed to take office.
I don’t like Trump, and I don’t trust him. But the Democrats did NOT put up a kinder, gentler, more trustworthy candidate. We had a choice between two “losers,” and one of them was going to win. If it had been Hillary. we would have accepted it, just as we accepted Bill Clinton (even the second time, when it was truly obvious what he was made of) and Barack Obama–two hideous choices.
“While real wages have been declining and debt burdens have been rising for everyday Americans, the liberal establishment has not been concerned. Instead, the left has been obsessed about climate change, transgenderism and demonizing Vladimir Putin.
Inside the palace of the liberal establishment, the fashionable moral crusades have been abstract and driven by ideology rather than by reality. The mounting concerns of the peasantry who feed those inside the palace walls have not been a priority.
With the election of Donald Trump the peasants have stormed the palace, put their bare feet up on the gilt chaise lounge and let the elite know they will no longer submit to the will of a corrupt internationalist oligarchy. It’s a beautiful moment in American history that many have longed for. Things will never be the same again.
As expected, the liberal establishment and the indoctrinated stooges who worship them are throwing a tantrum of the ages. Rather than soul-searching to examine how they got things so wrong, the liberal elite in America are doubling down on their scorn and hatred for the president-elect. Some of them can’t even.
The outrage of the left has become a spectacle that only serves to make liberals look even more ridiculous to the rest of America.
What is enraging the liberal elite is that they are losing control. Paul Krugman has come out lambasting everyday Americans for ensuring that the New York Stock Exchange crashes forever by voting Trump in. In Krugman’s world, it’s the end of American capitalism. Perhaps Krugman knows that it is the plan of Hillary’s Wall St backers to crash the markets to punish the peasants for defying their will.
Instead the Dow closed up 272 points on Wednesday. Yet again the establishment was not able to impose their will on reality. It seems capitalism will continue, just as Krugman will continue with his lunatic scribblings which fewer and fewer people will read. One day he will be gently superannuated, muttering neo-Keynesian gibberish into his beard while enjoying the wealth the establishment has bestowed upon their loyal servant.”
Saw a map graphic today shared from Instagram that showed a line cutting off (shaded bright blue) California, Oregon and Washington with the caption “BUILD THIS WALL” (it was in favor of leaving you all behind so we could do our own thing …)
CNN is reporting incidents of racist graffiti, taunts across the country going on.
“There is a petition on change.or for the electoral college to give the win to hillary”
Yep, that’s a way to get peace and stability. Seems to me like some people might need some basic teaching on how elections work.
DJ, we’ll help y’all build the wall. My husband thinks we should still have some access to the Pacific Ocean, but I’m OK with the suggestion as made. He suggested selling that valuable property to China to get resources to pay our debts, but I said you and Michelle and my brother might all want a heads up if we decide to do that. But if you decide to build a wall or simply secede, say the word and you’ll have all the help you need. If you need it to go through Congress for approval, 2017 would probably be as good a time as any. Or just secede–we won’t send troops or make any other attempts to hold you back. But it might be good to move to Idaho sooner rather than later.
People tend to worry too much. When Obama won, millions ran to gun shops to biy up guns before they would be outlawed.
The popular vote vs electoral college is the worst of all possible outcomes.
Pence is Trumps insurance policy. Given his fraud lawsuits, a scenario has been raised that impeachment would start by Republicans as soon as he is sworn in. This would result in Democrats filibustering and preventing it just to prevent Pence from becoming president.
… As of January, the GOP will control the presidency, the House, the Senate, and an overwhelming majority of state government institutions. Just about the only things the Democrats control will be the press and–far more important–the federal bureaucracy. The funny thing about the Democratic Press is that they are so self-absorbed that they don’t seem to have noticed that, across the country, their party is getting clobbered. …
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Some people wonder why millennials get such a bad rap.
Their reaction to this election is a perfect example of why many of us have such a poor opinion of them. Grow up already, and move on. You lost, it happens. Welcome to adulthood.
Wandering Views 
So? California is going to secede from the Union. Good riddance!
I would like to see a map of the California vote. I’ll bet it’s mostly red by areal with a blue San Francisco, LA, etc. The red counties will carry the blue.
The blue can’t exist without the red.
Somebody has to do the work.
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I Googled “California election map” and I noticed that it is about 50/50 in area for red and blue.
Of course, Blue has the cities. And the collages.
Again. A blue California can’t exist without the Red.
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All the Blues were out demonstrating last night.
The Reds were resting up for tomorrow. They had things to do.
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Chas, Blue Californians have Mexican maids and gardeners.
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The left were so worried about violence and riots if Trump lost. But once again they were just projecting. We can clearly see now who the real sore losers are.
What I see on TV and the internet is a bunch of whiny brats, illegal aliens, BLM racists, and of course, their Democrat handlers (like MoveON, who orchestrated these “protests”) throwing hissy fits because they lost. So yeah, the usual suspects, doing exactly what I’d expect from them. If nothing else, they’re predictable. Sad.
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From “Heatstreet” whatever that is. Via Drudge:
Bad news for anyone looking to relocate to our neighbor to the north after last night’s election results: Canada doesn’t want you.
After Americans—and especially American celebrities—began considering making good on their promises to “move to Canada” in the wake of Donald Trump election victory, Canadians took to Twitter to warn Americans that they’d best stay where they are.
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Even the King of the Never Trumpers is enjoying the suffering of the liberals.
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The more the privileged elite sucked up to Clinton, the more determined it made Mr and Mrs Ordinary American to trigger Millennial Armageddon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3921496/PIERS-MORGAN-privileged-elite-sucked-Clinton-determined-Mr-Mrs-Ordinary-American-trigger-Millennial-Armageddon.html#ixzz4PbbjUiLM
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Didn’t I tell you I feared there would be rioting?
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Front page headline here: “Many in county in despair after vote.”
Yesterday, only a quarter of the regulars were in Zumba. I was told, “it was grim, but the leader got through it.”
This morning no one talked much and, unfortunately, one of the two men mentioned the election and got a warning, “I hope you are kidding.” Not good. I left early.
If I was a mastermind (novelist speaking here), this outcome, particularly with the loser getting more of the popular vote could set up real problems– which is the rioting in the streets.
We must continue to pray–there is still plenty of trouble afoot. 😦
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And I left early lest I say something that could be so easily misconstrued in these times, and lose all the goodwill I have worked hard to obtain for the sake of God. 😦
It’s a good reminder to me to keep the attitude of my heart open to God’s direction and keep my opinions to myself.
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Well, my husband mentioned the election to his doctor yesterday morning (without mentioning who we did or didn’t vote for–which was nobody), and the doctor said, “Wasn’t that a miracle?” And it occurred to me that yes, doctors were probably one group that as a huge proportion went for Trump, simply for the chance of repealing Obamacare.
Good piece (with apologies to Donna) on the journalists just not getting it. He also links to a good one written during the election cycle that I will link separately: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/ “Journalists love mocking Trump supporters. We insult their appearances. We dismiss them as racists and sexists. We emote on Twitter about how this or that comment or policy makes us feel one way or the other, and yet we reject their feelings as invalid.”
And, linked under “We also missed the story” is this great article written during the campaign: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-donald-trump-candidate-of-change/
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Ah, yes, very sorry about Arnold’s loss.
2 past administrations to keep in mind: Hoover and Harding.
Hoover was the better man and as well intentioned as Carter, not to mention brilliant and an excellent businessman.
Another thing to consider, for many women my age and older, it’s not just missing a woman president, it’s losing to the nightmare many have faced their entire lives. I’m totally sympathetic to that. No joke. Steer completely away from politics with women right now.
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When I went to bed last night I saw on the local evening news that the 101/Hollywood Freeway in downtown was being swarmed and blocked.
I agree that if the popular vote (I’m not sure that’s completely been counted and verified yet?) goes to Clinton, no matter by how marginally, there will be issues. I worry when I hear talk about Republicans having a “mandate,” I’d tread softly on that notion, at least publicly, for now.
I expect a very rocky time ahead, overall.
The liberals I know are quite outraged, believing Trump is dangerous. Some people also are afraid — one of my good friends (a Republican who voted for Clinton) is worried for her in-laws who are Muslims from Bangladesh and who, somehow, have an immigration snag in all their paperwork that they never can seem to clear up (their lawyer messed up early on, she told me) despite having been here for many years now. They and she are worried they’ll just get deported now under Trump, apparently the parents have been told they will have to leave the country in the past.
I suggested there is more concern simply about securing the borders now and for the future as opposed to hunting down regular, longstanding, law-abiding immigrants (with no criminal records) for “deportation,” which I doubt will really happen. But I understand the nervousness on my friend’s part (these are the parents and family of her son-in-law, they all live together with her daughter & their 3 small children in the same home).
It will be a delicate time ahead and tone will matter.
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One other thing–
Democrats are signaling Trump is a quisling. Keep an eye on his cabinet choices. Not impressive so far. 😦
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My one neighbor also told me they were worried about a Trump presidency as they’re Mexican as are may of their friends and family.
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I have a confession to make and I am quite embarrassed about it.
After refusing to watch anything or read much of anything leading up to this election…hangs head shamefully…I have been consumed the past two days reading the “post mortems”, the mea culpas, how the press missed it.
I finally told my gay LA friend last night that I promised the Nazis weren’t coming to haul him off with the train loads to the conversion camps. He blew up at me so my final remark was that I loved him and if anyone came for him I have guns, know how to use them and will die protecting him. Yes. It was a big dramatic, but he was being a drama queen and sometimes you have to fight drama with drama. It was sort of like critiquing BG’s temper tantrums when she was a toddler. “No, Baby, you have to lie on the floor kicking your feet. Here, honey, want mama to show you how?”
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Michelle, has he actually announced any names yet? I’m seeing only speculation, but may have missed some announcements.
A woman president means absolutely nothing to me–less than nothing, actually. While I think Margaret Thatcher was an excellent leader, I think it would be very hard in America to find that perfect mix of strength and gentleness. I definitely wouldn’t vote against a good candidate because she’s a woman, but being a woman adds no points. Trump’s relation to women was a most definite “no” to me, though, and one of several reasons I wasn’t willing to vote for him even to keep out Hillary. But Hillary as fellow woman held absolutely no hint of desire to see her win. As much as I hated to see Obama win, I felt just a little hint of the sense of “black man as president = good thing.” (I don’t see Obama as really black. His father was African, his mother white, and he has had limited cultural interaction with black people. So basically he’s just an elite American man with dark skin.) I sympathized with that one. I understand just a little bit that some women want to see a woman as president, but I don’t feel that at all, and I wouldn’t have felt the tiniest smidgen of “wow, we got a woman” if she had gotten in. I think she truly loves Chelsea and her grandchildren, but that’s about it as far as my sense that she is a fellow woman. She is not feminine, and what strength she has is not feminine strength. And she is wicked, with much blood on her hands. I was happy as she finished her speech to know she was walking off the world stage for good.
I don’t know when we started talking about whether or not a win was a “mandate.” A president has constitutional authority, and limits to constitutional authority, no matter how strong or weak his win. The popular vote is irrelevant, and should be treated as such. Our founders deliberately set up a system so that a president would preside over all the states, not just the populous ones. The electoral college was a brilliant way to do that. If Trump as any sort of “mandate” it is not by the win, but by the fact that briefly all three houses are Republican. If they can act in unity, they can accomplish some things. I am on record as doubting Trump’s conservative credentials, but this is a time they can act and get some things done. Take the balance of power back to more constitutional limits, for example. I’m not going to hold my breath that it will happen.
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Kim. One of the unintended consequences of the election is that when “experts” give their analysis, you are a bit more skeptical than before. The same people who told us how it was going to be before are telling us how it will be now.
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Not a mandate, whatever that is.
The turnout was extremely low. Lots of people wanted nothing to do with this.
The people who didn’t like Hillary were more than those who feared Trump.
That’s Chas’ expert analysis.
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I remember Obama’s remark in ’08 about whether they had a mandate or not, he said something like “Elections have consequences. We won.”
OK, fine, but ouch and that sure chafed against the loyal opposition at the time. It didn’t help. Probably best to stay clear of some of that “WE WON – better look out” verbiage especially in a country so on edge and so evenly divided.
I worry, though, that with the White House & both houses of Congress there could be the urge for overreach.
I suspect Trump will be somewhat “more” conservative than Clinton in his appointments and decisions, but not a steady conservative that many would have preferred. I am hoping his skills as a businessman and negotiator can be used to help navigate through the first couple years without too much outrage and blowback. I don’t have a problem with his using restraint when it serves the larger purpose of good governing and I think a sincere effort to reach across the aisle when at all possible would be a positive.
I hope he grows up — a lot — and can quickly drop the adolescent taunting tendency. 😦
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It seemed to me turnout was very high, but maybe I missed that article. 🙂
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I figured Trump was the balance to the House and Senate.
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Cheryl, yes, many in the media are baffled by it all and, I think, are misreading “what it all means.” Many view it as a sign that racism and sexism is alive far beyond what they thought.
That’s a misreading, of course, and I’m hoping for a more thoughtful, nuanced approach as everyone settles down. But we’ll see.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/10/ugly-aftermath-liberal-media-types-savage-trump-his-supporters-and-press-for-upset-victory.html
Ugly aftermath: Liberal media types savage Trump, his supporters and the press for upset victory
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Jamelle Bouie, an African-American and a top political writer for Slate, tweeted: “I didn’t quite understand how much white people hated us, or could at least live with that hate. Now I do.” …
… Now let me say that I understand passions are running high in the wake of a bitter and divisive election. Donald Trump said things during the campaign that many people understandably found offensive. And since Tuesday morning began with the widespread expectation that Hillary Clinton would become the first woman to win the White House, I understand the crushing disappointment for those commentators who were sympathetic to her cause.
But the vitriol is deeply unattractive—and goes to the heart of why the media misjudged Trump, and his supporters, for a year and a half. …
… To dump on the people who back Trump as a bunch of dumb, racist yahoos is to say that they’re simply too idiotic and prejudiced to vote in their own self-interest, unlike we the media, who know what’s best for them.
Instead we have commentators and media outlets on the left doubling and tripling down. The Huffington Post, which embarrassed itself by long relegating Trump to the entertainment section, started with this headline: “Nightmare: President Trump.” Followed by “Mourning in America.” Although the website now plans to drop the editor’s note on every story declaring Trump to be a racist, sexist xenophobe. …
… Others played up the racial angle. Van Jones, a CNN commentator who once served in the Obama White House, called Trump’s win “a white-lash against a black president.” President Obama, though, was not on the ballot.
Still others played the sexism card. Salon called Hillary’s loss “The Misogyny Apocalypse…It was unimaginable that America would self-destruct rather than elect a female president.”
… Back in 1968, the Washington Post cartoonist Herblock made a decision when Richard Nixon, whom he had always portrayed as a sinister-looking guy with a 5 o’clock shadow, won the election. He declared that he gave every new president a clean shave, and Nixon’s stubble vanished.
As the country prepares for the next four years, Trump’s liberal critics—while obviously entitled to battle the 45th president–might show a similar graciousness.
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But Kim, Trump has always been a staunch supporter of gay rights.
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Cheryl, read the first link you left — and would agree with much of it, sadly. My editor would, too — he’s hoping this will prompt the media as a whole to take a closer look at itself and its assumptions, but I don’t really see that happening.
He also despairs (as do I) at how many journalists we know and have worked with are so openly political on social media, not hesitating to plaster their personal political views publicly. One former reporter of ours, who now works for a local news TV station, was posting frequently throughout election night, things about how she could not stop “shaking” in fear about what was happing. Really?
I survived the ’08 election when Obama was openly (and unprofessionally) cheered & revered in the newsroom (we had a lot more people back then), it wasn’t like anything I’d ever seen before in my career. I was stunned, actually, and lodged a quiet complaint to my bosses about it afterward. The one editor agreed with my concerns.
And yes, there has been a smug looking-down on Trump and his supporters throughout the campaign, a ready willingness to chalk it all up to racism and ignorance that must be somehow corrected (by the media). 😦
I don’t know how that gets effectively addressed within the industry until there’s a humble acknowledgment widespread enough that something’s wrong with our lens.
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You can’t tell them that right now. They think he hates them and you can’t change their minds. It’s Pence they are worried about. I have refrained from the comment about the Vice Presidency being about as useless as a bucket of warm spit.
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It looks like some people are all for democracy… until things don’t go their way.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/09/twitter-erupts-with-calls-for-donald-trump-to-be-assassinated/
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Comments made by Obama and Trump[ after the meeting have no meaning at all.
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Found this (quoted in part) from a union leader in my inbox today:
“Had it not been for the Electoral College, at this moment we would be discussing the plans for the incoming Hillary Clinton administration. That’s right. She actually won the popular vote. Thus, once again, that institution created by the founding slave owners has risen from the grave and prevented our exit from the cemetery. …”
And on it will go.
And remember, too, that in every newsroom there are reporters and editors like me and my editor — we’re in a minority in most newsrooms, but “the media” is not a monolith. The industry as a whole, however, has some soul searching to do in my view.
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That’s why I often feel for reporters having to cover a Trump rally where they’re lambasted, booed and jeered. It can be a scary feeling and many of these people are just there to do a job (that often isn’t that well paid to boot).
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Here’s a look at how bad it got last night. Note the players, and keep in mind a lot of it is Soros funded groups.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922098/The-backlash-begins-Disgruntled-anti-Trump-protesters-refuse-accept-election-result-gather-New-York-cities-country.html
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Hmmm. So maybe Mike Pence is Trump’s assassination insurance policy …
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Regarding the turnout, I found a web site, electproject.org, that calculates the percentage of people who voted out of everyone eligible to vote (whether actually registered or not). They’re estimating this year at 56%, lower than 2004, 2008, or 2012.
Here are their historical figures since 1970:
1972 56.2
1976 54.8
1980 54.2
1984 55.2
1988 52.8
1992 58.1
1996 51.7
2000 54.2
2004 60.1
2008 61.6
2012 58.2
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Veith
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2016/11/people-who-got-it-wrong/
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Being one of the people who got it wrong by being taken by surprise at Donald Trump’s election, perhaps I can justify, in a small way, the wicked kick I am getting at the reaction of the experts who just cannot get their minds around Trump’s election. I’ll give you a sampling after the jump. …
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The Jesuits asked the friend of a friend for some advice on what happened: http://www.americamagazine.org/content/all-things/praying-imperfect-president
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Some people at CBS News get it–one of the commenters on my FB page is a former news editor at NBC news: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
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Looked up my community & neighborhood (which is shown on the general map as solid blue) to see how we voted — 31% in my precinct voted for Trump, actually more than I would have thought.
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It is interesting that the last four candidates would have been the first woman (Clinton), or the first Jew (Sanders) or the first Hispanic (Cruz) or Trump and we got Trump.
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Joint Statement from California Legislative Leaders on Result of Presidential Election
Wednesday, November 09, 2016
SACRAMENTO – California Senate President pro Tempore Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) and California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount) released the following statement on the results of the President election:
Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California.
We have never been more proud to be Californians.
By a margin in the millions, Californians overwhelmingly rejected politics fueled by resentment, bigotry, and misogyny.
The largest state of the union and the strongest driver of our nation’s economy has shown it has its surest conscience as well.
California is – and must always be – a refuge of justice and opportunity for people of all walks, talks, ages and aspirations – regardless of how you look, where you live, what language you speak, or who you love.
California has long set an example for other states to follow. And California will defend its people and our progress. We are not going to allow one election to reverse generations of progress at the height of our historic diversity, scientific advancement, economic output, and sense of global responsibility.
We will be reaching out to federal, state and local officials to evaluate how a Trump Presidency will potentially impact federal funding of ongoing state programs, job-creating investments reliant on foreign trade, and federal enforcement of laws affecting the rights of people living in our state. We will maximize the time during the presidential transition to defend our accomplishments using every tool at our disposal.
While Donald Trump may have won the presidency, he hasn’t changed our values. America is greater than any one man or party. We will not be dragged back into the past. We will lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our Constitution.
California was not a part of this nation when its history began, but we are clearly now the keeper of its future.
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The narrative that is going around in blue areas – Farewell America:
http://billmoyers.com/story/farewell-america/
“America died on Nov. 8, 2016, not with a bang or a whimper, but at its own hand via electoral suicide. We the people chose a man who has shredded our values, our morals, our compassion, our tolerance, our decency, our sense of common purpose, our very identity — all the things that, however tenuously, made a nation out of a country.” – Neal Gabler
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Has anyone said that gay people have to be hauled off to therapy or shot? Has anyone burned down an Hispanic neighborhood? Has anyone been forced to renounce their religion?
I am speechless that a state government would take this action two days after an election. One man does not hold that much power in the United States because have have split the power between three branches.
Calm down people. Take a deep breath and get a dose of Drama Mine
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The largest state with the largest driver of the economy should not need federal funding for it’s aspirations.
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I had her on full volume and still didn’t understand her.
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Kim:
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Elton John and his longtime boyfriend, David Furnish, entered a civil partnership on Dec. 21, 2005, in England under a law the country had just enacted granting recognition to same-sex couples. The congratulations poured in as the two men appeared at a joyous ceremony at Windsor Guildhall, amid a crush of paparazzi. Donald J. Trump, who had known the couple for years, took to his blog to express his excitement.
“I know both of them, and they get along wonderfully. It’s a marriage that’s going to work,” Mr. Trump wrote, adding: “I’m very happy for them. If two people dig each other, they dig each other.”
Mr. Trump is now the leading candidate for president in the Republican primary, which has traditionally been dominated by hopefuls eager to show how deeply conservative they are on social issues like gay rights and marriage.
But Mr. Trump is far more accepting of sexual minorities than his party’s leaders have been. On Thursday, he startled some Republicans by saying on NBC’s “Today” show that he opposed a recently passed North Carolina law that prohibits people from using public bathrooms that do not correspond to the gender they were born with, striking down a Charlotte ordinance. …
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Kim, that video is hilarious
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More from the above article I linked:
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But it is his views on gay rights and gay people that most distinguish Mr. Trump from previous Republican standard-bearers. He has nurtured long friendships with gay people, employed gay workers in prominent positions, and moved with ease in industries where gays have long exerted influence, like entertainment.
“He will be the most gay-friendly Republican nominee for president ever,” said Gregory T. Angelo, the president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a group that supports gay rights. …
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That’s gutsy. They’re bonkers, but gutsy. I have often wondered what would have happened if Tennessee had just told the federal government what to do with their federal highway funds in the ’60s when the federal government told us we could no longer say the 100 Psalm in school.
I didn’t understand how this could be so offensive at the time (I was in the third grade), but I can see now why this would be such an impediment to the forces that rule the earth. It would be hard for them to do what they’re doing if they had to acknowledge that it is He that has made us and not we ourselves.
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Sorry, that was in reference to DJ’s 4:02
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I am just astounded. There is a protest (peaceful) rally in Mobile on Saturday to protest the Trump presidency. For crying out loud people he hasn’t even taken office. You can’t change the vote now. Get over and BE the change you want to see. Heal America. Do nice things for each other. I CANNOT believe this is what we are.
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Fair warning there is horribly offensive language in this link. I was reading it earlier today when my computer restarted and I couldn’t fine it again. One of my “good Baptist” (BG’s godmother) just posted it on FB.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
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Donna, that 4:02 is laugh-put-loud hilarious. Maybe California can become its own nation and be an honorable example to the rest of us? (Psst: take Oregon and Washington with you, please.)
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You’d think the people who are protesting don’t understand how elections work. Kinda funny, though . . . the Democrats (Kaine) after waiting till the next morning to do a concession speech made a snide comment about how the other guys wouldn’t accept the results of an election. And after all sorts of warning that if Hillary wins, expect rioting from those vicious supporters, now, when Trump wins, we get . . . what?
I’d be interested to know what percentage of the rioters even voted at all.
Sorry, people. Your mommy and daddy may have bought you that candy bar if you threw yourself down on the floor and had a fit insisting on it, but in real life, the person who is elected is allowed to take office.
I don’t like Trump, and I don’t trust him. But the Democrats did NOT put up a kinder, gentler, more trustworthy candidate. We had a choice between two “losers,” and one of them was going to win. If it had been Hillary. we would have accepted it, just as we accepted Bill Clinton (even the second time, when it was truly obvious what he was made of) and Barack Obama–two hideous choices.
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The Rage of the Cry-Babies….
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-rage-of-the-cry-babies/ar-AAk9fMM?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U142DHP
“While real wages have been declining and debt burdens have been rising for everyday Americans, the liberal establishment has not been concerned. Instead, the left has been obsessed about climate change, transgenderism and demonizing Vladimir Putin.
Inside the palace of the liberal establishment, the fashionable moral crusades have been abstract and driven by ideology rather than by reality. The mounting concerns of the peasantry who feed those inside the palace walls have not been a priority.
With the election of Donald Trump the peasants have stormed the palace, put their bare feet up on the gilt chaise lounge and let the elite know they will no longer submit to the will of a corrupt internationalist oligarchy. It’s a beautiful moment in American history that many have longed for. Things will never be the same again.
As expected, the liberal establishment and the indoctrinated stooges who worship them are throwing a tantrum of the ages. Rather than soul-searching to examine how they got things so wrong, the liberal elite in America are doubling down on their scorn and hatred for the president-elect. Some of them can’t even.
The outrage of the left has become a spectacle that only serves to make liberals look even more ridiculous to the rest of America.
What is enraging the liberal elite is that they are losing control. Paul Krugman has come out lambasting everyday Americans for ensuring that the New York Stock Exchange crashes forever by voting Trump in. In Krugman’s world, it’s the end of American capitalism. Perhaps Krugman knows that it is the plan of Hillary’s Wall St backers to crash the markets to punish the peasants for defying their will.
Instead the Dow closed up 272 points on Wednesday. Yet again the establishment was not able to impose their will on reality. It seems capitalism will continue, just as Krugman will continue with his lunatic scribblings which fewer and fewer people will read. One day he will be gently superannuated, muttering neo-Keynesian gibberish into his beard while enjoying the wealth the establishment has bestowed upon their loyal servant.”
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Cheryl, 5:49, well since you mentioned it …
Saw a map graphic today shared from Instagram that showed a line cutting off (shaded bright blue) California, Oregon and Washington with the caption “BUILD THIS WALL” (it was in favor of leaving you all behind so we could do our own thing …)
CNN is reporting incidents of racist graffiti, taunts across the country going on.
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There is a petition on change.or for the electoral college to give the win to hillary
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“There is a petition on change.or for the electoral college to give the win to hillary”
Yep, that’s a way to get peace and stability. Seems to me like some people might need some basic teaching on how elections work.
DJ, we’ll help y’all build the wall. My husband thinks we should still have some access to the Pacific Ocean, but I’m OK with the suggestion as made. He suggested selling that valuable property to China to get resources to pay our debts, but I said you and Michelle and my brother might all want a heads up if we decide to do that. But if you decide to build a wall or simply secede, say the word and you’ll have all the help you need. If you need it to go through Congress for approval, 2017 would probably be as good a time as any. Or just secede–we won’t send troops or make any other attempts to hold you back. But it might be good to move to Idaho sooner rather than later.
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People tend to worry too much. When Obama won, millions ran to gun shops to biy up guns before they would be outlawed.
The popular vote vs electoral college is the worst of all possible outcomes.
Pence is Trumps insurance policy. Given his fraud lawsuits, a scenario has been raised that impeachment would start by Republicans as soon as he is sworn in. This would result in Democrats filibustering and preventing it just to prevent Pence from becoming president.
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The petition is asking the electors – when they meet Dec. 19 – to vote for Hillary since she won the popular vote.
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I’ve never bought a gun or blocked a freeway or set a fire after an election 🙂
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The GOP: America’s party
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/11/the-gop-americas-party-2.php
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… As of January, the GOP will control the presidency, the House, the Senate, and an overwhelming majority of state government institutions. Just about the only things the Democrats control will be the press and–far more important–the federal bureaucracy. The funny thing about the Democratic Press is that they are so self-absorbed that they don’t seem to have noticed that, across the country, their party is getting clobbered. …
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Donna’s missing all the fun. 🙂
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Donna,
Cali. would probably let you have a gun now. Just tell them you need it to protect yourself from those crazy Trump voters. 🙂
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Some people wonder why millennials get such a bad rap.
Their reaction to this election is a perfect example of why many of us have such a poor opinion of them. Grow up already, and move on. You lost, it happens. Welcome to adulthood.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you a millennials view of The Trumpocalypse…..
Don’t laugh, she assures us their feelings are valid. 🙄
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